If David Limbaugh was in charge, here is the way...

[BDURHAM]

I believe a point the man from Ohio was making centers on the computerized strength of schedule. Talk to someone from Ohio, where football is king, and they grow up with these computerized rankings. They take their football more seriously in Ohio than we do in Tennessee, and they live with the computer rankings. Go figure!

 

And the games are at night. See below.

 

That system offers a more impartial means of determining who is in the playoffs, etc.

 

FORMAT: Thirty-two teams in six divisions (192 total schools) have qualified for the tournaments, with selections based on the OHSAA Football Computer Rankings. To qualify for the tournaments, schools must have finished first through eighth in their assigned region.

 

Friday-Saturday, Nov. 6-7

Regional Quarterfinals

• Regional seeds 1, 2, 3 & 4 to host seeds 5, 6, 7 & 8

• Friday 7:30 p.m. - Div. II, III, V

• Saturday 7 p.m. - Div. I, IV, VI

 

If a similar system was used in Tennessee, I don't see how an "Oakland" could meet

a "Mt. Juliet" in round one.

[randymc]

I believe a point the man from Ohio was making centers on the computerized strength of schedule. Talk to someone from Ohio, where football is king, and they grow up with these computerized rankings. They take their football more seriously in Ohio than we do in Tennessee, and they live with the computer rankings. Go figure!

 

And the games are at night. See below.

 

That system offers a more impartial means of determining who is in the playoffs, etc.

 

FORMAT: Thirty-two teams in six divisions (192 total schools) have qualified for the tournaments, with selections based on the OHSAA Football Computer Rankings. To qualify for the tournaments, schools must have finished first through eighth in their assigned region.

 

Friday-Saturday, Nov. 6-7

Regional Quarterfinals

• Regional seeds 1, 2, 3 & 4 to host seeds 5, 6, 7 & 8

• Friday 7:30 p.m. - Div. II, III, V

• Saturday 7 p.m. - Div. I, IV, VI

 

If a similar system was used in Tennessee, I don't see how an "Oakland" could meet

a "Mt. Juliet" in round one.

Do they then group geographically or straight 1 vs. 32? The problem there is the geography of the state, although Childress said on 104.5 this week that the coaches say the don't mind traveling in the playoffs, in another segment he said they do what the coaches and principals ask, BUT I don't think you will be able to put 2 and 2 together and get a 1 vs 32 2 vs 31 playoff in TN because of the $ factor. Of course, maybe if everyone were willing to pay 1 more $ per ticket to have this system.....

[davidlimbaugh]

If a similar system was used in Tennessee, I don't see how an "Oakland" could meet

a "Mt. Juliet" in round one.

 

Stan - just ribbing about the playing at night - poking at a potential Big 10 fan

 

I agree that if TSSAA want to keep this convulated plan of mixing classes in districts and using non-district games as a deciding factor of who play and doesn't and how they are seeded some formula needs to be put in place.

 

I am curious how Ohio's program would differ from mine on our Pods?

 

I have this for Pod 2

 

1) Oakland (8-2) 1254

2) Riverdale (8-2) 1234

3) Blackman (9-1) 1194

4) Mt Juliet (9-1) 1054

5) Smyrna (5-5) 919

6) Cookeville (7-3) 890

7) McGavock (6-4) 803

8) Siegel (5-5) 792

---------------------

Franklin Co (4-6) 654

Coffee Co (3-7) 528

 

This seems to be a lot fairer than what we did get - agreed?

[jlmac4]

Do they then group geographically or straight 1 vs. 32? The problem there is the geography of the state, although Childress said on 104.5 this week that the coaches say the don't mind traveling in the playoffs, in another segment he said they do what the coaches and principals ask, BUT I don't think you will be able to put 2 and 2 together and get a 1 vs 32 2 vs 31 playoff in TN because of the $ factor. Of course, maybe if everyone were willing to pay 1 more $ per ticket to have this system.....

 

They don't bracket all 32 teams at once. There are 8 teams per region/4 regions(for each division). They start out 1 vs 8 in each region, then they have regional champs go at it(state semis). It is done geographically with the state split into 4 equal quarters. With the distance east to west in TN, maybe 8 regions with 4 qualifiers would be better, but that may leave some good teams out with this system. The big problem with geography in TN is that there is home field advantage throughout the playoffs. In Ohio, only the 1st round gives the higher seed home field. After that, a neutral site centrally located between the two teams is chosen, and teams meet halfway. That would be very beneficial in TN with some of the distances being traveled now. It also levels the playing field, which becomes more important the deeper you get into the playoffs.

[jlmac4]

Can't play on Saturday here - we have real college football to watch and we have weather to let them play at night

 

Good one lol, but you can't a state's CFB based on one inconsistent team who can't control which conference their in. And all playoff games are at night. Ohio just has an incredibly larger fan support/turnout at games, hence the fri/sat games. Going back to your comment, looking at DIII CFB top 25, their are 6 teams from Ohio(including the most dominating program at any level ever, Mount Unionhttp://www.mtunionfootball.com/2009season/09coachingstaff.htm). 1-AA, DII AND III are where the majority of kids end up, as there are only 119 DI schools, and DIII is no joke, as there are many in the NFL now. Overall, I don't think there is another state that has a total of 8 programs at all levels in their respective top 25. There is a lot more REAL college football going on than the SEC. It's just fans in general down here don't follow it.

[jlmac4]

I believe a point the man from Ohio was making centers on the computerized strength of schedule. Talk to someone from Ohio, where football is king, and they grow up with these computerized rankings. They take their football more seriously in Ohio than we do in Tennessee, and they live with the computer rankings. Go figure!

 

To me, that is the beauty of the whole thing. There is absolutely no opinion involved in deciding who goes, as with the BCS computers. It's 100% about w/l and the size/record of the schools you are competing against. And EVERY GAME COUNTS.

[randymc]

They don't bracket all 32 teams at once. There are 8 teams per region/4 regions(for each division). They start out 1 vs 8 in each region, then they have regional champs go at it(state semis). It is done geographically with the state split into 4 equal quarters. With the distance east to west in TN, maybe 8 regions with 4 qualifiers would be better, but that may leave some good teams out with this system. The big problem with geography in TN is that there is home field advantage throughout the playoffs. In Ohio, only the 1st round gives the higher seed home field. After that, a neutral site centrally located between the two teams is chosen, and teams meet halfway. That would be very beneficial in TN with some of the distances being traveled now. It also levels the playing field, which becomes more important the deeper you get into the playoffs.

WOW, that could be HUGE $$$ for booster clubs in Rutherford Co....probably host 6 playoffs games every week here, while your team was on the road....Where would they place a Riverdale/Oakland game? MTSU?

[BDURHAM]

Yes, your seeding is better than what we have now.

 

How did you compute the points beside each team?

 

I went back through your posts in this thread, and I didn't see

a point's system mentioned -- in your posts.

 

If a similar system was used in Tennessee, I don't see how an "Oakland" could meet

a "Mt. Juliet" in round one.

 

Stan - just ribbing about the playing at night - poking at a potential Big 10 fan

 

I agree that if TSSAA want to keep this convulated plan of mixing classes in districts and using non-district games as a deciding factor of who play and doesn't and how they are seeded some formula needs to be put in place.

 

I am curious how Ohio's program would differ from mine on our Pods?

 

I have this for Pod 2

 

1) Oakland (8-2) 1254

2) Riverdale (8-2) 1234

3) Blackman (9-1) 1194

4) Mt Juliet (9-1) 1054

5) Smyrna (5-5) 919

6) Cookeville (7-3) 890

7) McGavock (6-4) 803

8) Siegel (5-5) 792

---------------------

Franklin Co (4-6) 654

Coffee Co (3-7) 528

 

This seems to be a lot fairer than what we did get - agreed?

[davidlimbaugh]

Yes, your seeding is better than what we have now.

 

How did you compute the points beside each team?

 

I went back through your posts in this thread, and I didn't see

a point's system mentioned -- in your posts.

 

My formula (and while I am watching NFL Red zone and eatings wings - we need to invent a wing-proof keyboard! - working on a program to gather info for all classes from TSSAA web-site) is pretty simple:

 

If you win you get (100 + # wins of your opponent) + 20 for each class higher than you or -20 for each class lower than you)

 

+

 

5 times the number of wins of your opponent whether you win or lose

 

+

 

2 times the number of wins of your opponent if they are in your class or higher win or lose.

 

I have done all 6AAA teams that won 3 or more games to see what I get - I have asked RandyMC to check my math - I am sure that with all the cutting and pasting and typing I have made a goof somewhere...

 

1 Maryville (9-1) 1260

2 Oakland (8-2) 1254

3 Riverdale (8-2) 1234

4 Blackman (9-1) 1194

5 Farragut (8-2) 1141

6 Brentwood (8-2) 1141

7 Sevier Co (10-0) 1120

8 McMinn Co (8-2) 1101

9 Franklin (8-2) 1099

10 Germantown (9-1) 1086

11 White Station (8-2) 1066

12 Arlington (10-0) 1058

13 Ooltewah (9-1) 1054

14 Mt Juliet (9-1) 1054

15 Bearden (8-2) 1023

16 Wooddale (8-2) 983

17 Whitehaven (8-2) 964

18 Hunters Lane (8-2) 945

19 Independence (6-4) 933

20 Smyrna (5-5) 919

21 Overton (8-2) 917

22 Cordova (6-4) 914

23 Cookeville (7-3) 890

24 Oak Ridge (7-3) 882

25 Millington (5-5) 855

26 McGavock (6-4) 803

27 Dickson Co (6-4) 803

28 Siegel (5-5) 792

29 Dobyns Bennett (5-5) 791

30 Rossview (6-4) 783

31 Kirby (5-5) 781

32 Brighton (8-2) 707

 

Bradley Central (5-5) 770

Soddy Daisy (5-5) 760

Ravenwood (5-5) 732

Jefferson Co (5-5) 707

William Blount (3-7) 695

Lebanon (4-6) 692

Lincoln Co (3-7) 674

Lavergne (3-7) 665

Bolton (4-6) 662

Science Hill (4-6) 655

Franklin Co (4-6) 652

Houston (4-6) 643

Heritage (4-6) 642

Collierville (3-7) 626

Antioch (3-7) 624

Warren Co (4-6) 576

Coffee Co (3-7) 528

Karns (3-7) 514

 

Why is a 5-5 Kirby better than an 8-2 Brighton?

 

Kirby (5-5)

Craigmont 18-25 (5A) (7-3) 0 35 0

Mitchell 14-34 (5A) (7-3) 0 35 0

Wooddale 6-28 (6A) (8-2) 0 40 16

Southwind 12-6 (6A) (2-8) 102 10 4

Fairley 18-28 (4A) (6-4) 0 30 0

Germantown 20-21 (6A) (9-1) 0 45 18

Houston 31-16 (6A) (4-6) 104 20 8

Collierville 55-21 (6A) (3-7) 103 15 6

Memphis Overton 34-0 (5A) (1-9) 81 5 0

Ridgeway 8-3 (5A) (4-6) 84 20 0

474 255 52 781

 

Brighton (8-2)

Raleigh Egypt 48-12 (5A) (1-9) 81 5 0

Bartlett 21-14 (5A) (4-6) 84 20 0

Cordova 32-34 (6A) (6-4) 0 30 12

Covington 14-7 (4A) (2-8) 62 10 0

Jackson N Side 32-21 (5A) (7-3) 87 35 0

MAHS 63-8 (1A) (1-6) 1 5 0

Munford 36-41 (5A) (3-7) 0 15 0

G.W. Carver 45-0 (3A) (0-10) 40 0 0

Hardin Co. 34-14 (5A) (8-2) 88 40 0

Dyer Co. 41-0 (5A) (2-8) 82 10 0

525 170 12 707

 

But Brighton still gets in because I think you have to take the district champion (but only the champion, whether 5A or 6A - with the district deciding their own tiebreaker procedure)

[davidlimbaugh]

In this thread, http://www.coacht.com/tennessee/boards/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=202352 someone asked why a (6-4) Cordova is ahead of a (5-5) Millington when Millington beat them 35-7. I explained it is the body of work that is important. And I think a great example of how a system like this would work - because if Millington had beaten Craigmont, a team Cordova did beat, Millington would have actually had the higher numbers if they both finished (6-4). Perhaps a caveat that if two teams finish last one in and first one out if the first one out beat the last one in on the field you take them instead?

[davidlimbaugh]

Here is the Pods, if you do it with a system similar to this, with taking the last team from one pod and moving it to the other (which should be the way to do it for competitive balance - not the top team (See Arlington)

 

Here is my brackets for week 1 - seem more fair?

 

Pod 1

 

8) Dobyns Bennett (5-5) at 1) at Maryville

6) Bearden (8-2) at 4) McMinn Co - #5 Ooltewah in same district

 

7) Oak Ridge (7-3) at 2) Farragut (8-2)

5) Ooltewah (9-1) at 3) Sevier Co (10-0)

 

Pod 2

 

8) Rossview (6-4) at 1) Oakland (8-2)

5) Smyrna (5-5) at 4) Mt Juliet (9-1)

 

7) Siegel (5-5) at 2) Riverdale (8-2) - 5 teams from 1 district

6) Cookeville (7-3) at 3) Blackman (9-1)

 

Pod 3

 

8) Brighton (8-2) at 1) Brentwood (8-2)

5) Overton (8-2) at 4) Independence (6-4)

 

6) McGavock (6-4) at 2) Franklin (8-2)

7) Dickson Co (6-4) at 3) Hunters Lane (8-2) - #6 McGavock in same district

 

Pod 4

 

7) Millington (5-5) at 1) Germantown (9-1) - #8 Kirby in same district

5) Whitehaven (8-2) at 4) Wooddale (8-2)

 

6) Cordova (6-4) at 2) White Station (8-2)

8) Kirby (5-5) at 3) Arlington (10-0) - #6 Cordova in same district

 

Only difference in in and out is Smyrna and Siegel in - Coffee Co and Franklin Co out.

 

And no 7AAA bias here - numbers are numbers - agreed?

[BDURHAM]

Very impressive!

 

You may be called out (unfairly) because you are in Murfreesboro and your system

puts two more Rutherford County teams in the playoffs, but I think everyone (outside

of Coffee and Franklin counties) would agree that your system makes sense.

 

No one wants to face a team from their district in the first round of the playoffs,

but the logic of including the best teams in the playoffs is valid.

 

Good work and hope the TSSAA considers your proposal.

 

Here is the Pods, if you do it with a system similar to this, with taking the last team from one pod and moving it to the other (which should be the way to do it for competitive balance - not the top team (See Arlington)

 

Here is my brackets for week 1 - seem more fair?

 

Pod 1

 

8) Dobyns Bennett (5-5) at 1) at Maryville

6) Bearden (8-2) at 4) McMinn Co - #5 Ooltewah in same district

 

7) Oak Ridge (7-3) at 2) Farragut (8-2)

5) Ooltewah (9-1) at 3) Sevier Co (10-0)

 

Pod 2

 

8) Rossview (6-4) at 1) Oakland (8-2)

5) Smyrna (5-5) at 4) Mt Juliet (9-1)

 

7) Siegel (5-5) at 2) Riverdale (8-2) - 5 teams from 1 district

6) Cookeville (7-3) at 3) Blackman (9-1)

 

Pod 3

 

8) Brighton (8-2) at 1) Brentwood (8-2)

5) Overton (8-2) at 4) Independence (6-4)

 

6) McGavock (6-4) at 2) Franklin (8-2)

7) Dickson Co (6-4) at 3) Hunters Lane (8-2) - #6 McGavock in same district

 

Pod 4

 

7) Millington (5-5) at 1) Germantown (9-1) - #8 Kirby in same district

5) Whitehaven (8-2) at 4) Wooddale (8-2)

 

6) Cordova (6-4) at 2) White Station (8-2)

8) Kirby (5-5) at 3) Arlington (10-0) - #6 Cordova in same district

 

Only difference in in and out is Smyrna and Siegel in - Coffee Co and Franklin Co out.

 

And no 7AAA bias here - numbers are numbers - agreed?