asst coach getting paid for off season training

[PHargis]

This is done in some areas right now. For instance, what if an AAU coach approaches a Coach at a school and this school being a magnet, tells the school coach he has been asked to contact him if the AAU coach can be the asst coach at the school. And the AAU coach would also mention the parent would help also. Deal done. Same sport, different gender different part of the State. Rules concerning Magnet schools might need to be looked at because just as soon as rules change and school types are rearranged, things have a way of being arranged because someone doesn't like a coach or some other thing is happening. There is really nothing that can be done about the situation as long as kids are being moved around as much as they are because of educational pursuits. there will always be someone who will push the envelope for an advantage thinking there is nothing wrong because its making the player better and it is. Police that if you think you can because it could happen and does in many situations. So what happens to an aspiring young coach who wants to learn to coach and finds that his spot is taken by someone else who is not certified and not even a teacher but of AAU ball. Rules may not have kept up with all of the changes going on. Certainly the lack of qualified coaches is somewhat a problem and the TSSAA asks for coaches to help. IMO there is no way for someof these things to not happen.

[jjam]

It sounds like the coach is just giving private basketball lessons to make a few extra bucks. As long as the AD and principal have no problem with this procedure the coach should be good to go. What would be the difference between having a basketball camp & giving one on one lessons to kids? No one is complaining about the algebra teacher tutoring on the side or the english teacher tutoring kids on a term paper.

I understand making a few extra bucks. But the AD or principal don't make the rules.The TSSAA

are the ones that is going to have the problem.

[jjam]

Except by your school personel or coaching staff. Right now all coaches can do is work on strength and conditioning till Nov. 1. You can work on skills if another coach from another school is doing it, and it is open to any student from anywhere. You may have open gym but you are not allowed to coach your players, only observe. Anything else is a TSSAA infraction and can negatively impact your season.

This coach does our conditioning and then He grabs a couple of his clients after school

works one on one. With what you said I think this is breaking a couple rules. So if

we just happen to beat one of the other power houses in our district. They are going to

turn us in to the TSSAA. This has been going on over the past two years. So far we haven't

beat them in the region when it counts. Only the kids will suffer if this is turned over

to the TSSAA.

[PHargis]

I understand making a few extra bucks. But the AD or principal don't make the rules.The TSSAA

are the ones that is going to have the problem.

Something that is not readily understood sometimes is the Principal of each school signs off on the TSSAA rules each year as to compliance. He has to be involved.

[BigShow1]

I am not familiar with all the rules that TSSAA has created in terms of limited off-season individual workouts for coaches. Based on my small amount of experience I would say probably breaking rules. But that is unfortunate. Its like being allowed to call a timeout just before a kicker trys to kick a field goal to win the game (the act of icing the kicker). Its legal, but a stupid rule to allow that.

 

The negatives to allowing a coach to be paid/or not for offseason training: Coaches might make workouts "mandatory" and those students who play other sports or have families that do take vacations will miss. Another negative would be that some athletes will play for coaches that do not allow proper healing of the body (such as Dooley giving Tenn off on Mondays last couple weeks) as some coaches do not understand the healing process of the body as compared to most coaches in college who are well educated on these processes and usually do not over train athletes. Any negative that includes something to do with fairness such as, this person can afford offseason training and this family cannot it tough for me to include as I prefer Capitalism to Socialism in all aspects of society.

 

The positives: They are infinite. Better training. students have better chances to get good coaching and be able to earn a college scholarship. students stay more healthy. Competitivness is improved among athletes. More Tenn athletes having success in sports like football where few currently are successful at the next level as compared to other states. more role modeling from coaches for athletes. Better pay for coaches already making less than 3 dollars an hour. More oppurtunity for good coaches to impact players lives and athletic abilities. More coaches will keep with the profession as they can make more money thus more good coaches getting into the profession to begin with. better prepared for the individual training that does take place at the next level thus fewer athletes quitting as they are now more prepared.

 

Economics teaches us there are both cost and benefits. These benefits in my opinion outweigh all the costs. Lets change the rule if it does not allow more opportunity for choices and success.

[file13]

This coach does our conditioning and then He grabs a couple of his clients after school

works one on one. With what you said I think this is breaking a couple rules. So if

we just happen to beat one of the other power houses in our district. They are going to

turn us in to the TSSAA. This has been going on over the past two years. So far we haven't

beat them in the region when it counts. Only the kids will suffer if this is turned over

to the TSSAA.

 

jjam...Sounds your intent is for this to happen (your team being reported to the TSSAA) and yes..."only the kids will suffer".

 

If there was something like this going on with the team that I was a loyal fan of I would certainly not air it out in this forum. If I cared about the program I would ask the powers that be what the heck are they doing!

And in my opinion, this is an infraction of TSSAA rules regarding "open gyms" and when practice can begin prior to the season. (November 1).

 

So what is your real agenda my friend?

[jjam]

jjam...Sounds your intent is for this to happen (your team being reported to the TSSAA) and yes..."only the kids will suffer".

 

If there was something like this going on with the team that I was a loyal fan of I would certainly not air it out in this forum. If I cared about the program I would ask the powers that be what the heck are they doing!

And in my opinion, this is an infraction of TSSAA rules regarding "open gyms" and when practice can begin prior to the season. (November 1).

 

So what is your real agenda my friend?

If it were my intent to get our school in trouble. I would have said client names and

school names. Or just called the TSSAA myself. And yes I did ask the head coach and

he didnt really give a straight answer. His hands are tied anyway. And my agenda my friend

is to know whether this is legal.

 

I really wished the TSSAA would change some of the rules as far as the individual

fundamental training in the summer. Just have it where no games and team scrimmages

can take place.But a coach can do drills to improve fundamentals and conditioning.

It would really help the players and it would take away alot of what is allowed

and not allowed out of the question.

[file13]

If it were my intent to get our school in trouble. I would have said client names and

school names. Or just called the TSSAA myself. And yes I did ask the head coach and

he didnt really give a straight answer. His hands are tied anyway. And my agenda my friend

is to know whether this is legal.

 

I really wished the TSSAA would change some of the rules as far as the individual

fundamental training in the summer. Just have it where no games and team scrimmages

can take place.But a coach can do drills to improve fundamentals and conditioning.

It would really help the players and it would take away alot of what is allowed

and not allowed out of the question.

 

Try this link...it clarifies your concerns. Bottomline...when the coach is involved with the player regarding basketball instruction it is defined as "practice" and TSSAA defines when practice can be held and when it cannot be held.

 

http://www.tssaa.org/Handbook/handbook.pdf

[jjam]

Try this link...it clarifies your concerns. Bottomline...when the coach is involved with the player regarding basketball instruction it is defined as "practice" and TSSAA defines when practice can be held and when it cannot be held.

 

http://www.tssaa.org/Handbook/handbook.pdf

Thanks for the information. I really appreciate the link. I hope our program understands

these rules. I know that every program that is a contender has their players doing

something year round.And I totally agree with hard work but lets be smart about it.

 

Thanks Again