In Hoc Signo Vinces Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Will the Brothers from Memphis be able to proverbially double dip and go 2 for 2 this year. I don't think so, though Christian Brothers is by far the best dual team this year in the state I think they will barely be able to edge out EBE for third. Team Places: 1. Father Ryan 7 finalists 2. Baylor 6 finalists 3. CBHS 6 finalist 4. EBE 4 finalists 5. MBA 2 finalists Finals Match ups: 106: CBHS v Ryan 113: McCallie v Ryan 120: McCallie v CBHS 126: Baylor v. CBHS 132: Baylor v. CBHS 138: McCallie v Ryan 145: Baylor v. CBHS 152: Baylor v. MBA 160: CBHS v. Ryan 170: Baylor v. Ryan 182: Baylor v. Ryan 195: SBA v. Ryan 220: BA v. MBA HWT: McCallie v. CBHS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opry Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Agree. FR will be tougher due to moving Marchetti down, Mosely and Hooker up to secure five champs: 103: Oliver over Echart 112: Elsea over Santi 120: Connell over Gray 126: Watson over Robinson 132: Westbrooks over Johnson 138: Marchetti over Popp 145: Baker over Clemoents 152: Bellett over Cate 160: Mosely over Isom 170: Hooker over Craig 182: Holmes over Bodine 195: Fisher over Lamer 220: Mason over Armstrong Hwt: Youngblood over Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memphissoccerpimp22 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Isom I highly doubt will be in the finals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2blLeg Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Will the Brothers from Memphis be able to proverbially double dip and go 2 for 2 this year. I don't think so, though Christian Brothers is by far the best dual team this year in the state I think they will barely be able to edge out EBE for third. yeah, they haven't done anything this year in the individual tournaments either. After all they only placed 6th at KCI, and 2nd in IL. yeah, they don't have a chance. MY GOODNESS, what's it take to give them a little credit? They totally dominated the finals with bonus point after bonus point. I'm sure they will have quite a few more of those coming up in two weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachknepper Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I believe the top-3 spots will be decided in the finals in D-II with this being the outcome: 1. Christian Brothers 225.0 2. Baylor 215.0 3. Father Ryan 210.0 ---- 4. McCallie 5. MBA 6. SBA 7. Brentwood Academy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghouse Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) I believe the top-3 spots will be decided in the finals in D-II with this being the outcome: 1. Christian Brothers 225.0 2. Baylor 215.0 3. Father Ryan 210.0 ---- 4. McCallie 5. MBA 6. SBA 7. Brentwood Academy That is eerily close to an analysis I did based on current rankings / expected seedings and the advancement and placement points (no bonus included). This is likely to be one of the closer individual tournament races in DII in a while, especially given that it is likely to be a three team race. If some of the teams make the expected line-up shifts it will be very interesting. In Hoc's analysis is probably a little short-sighted given the dynamics of the DII traditional tournament. This is not a deep tournament where pushing a bulk of kids into the finals will determine who wins the event. Due to the fact that this is a very average tournament from a depth perspective (versus deep and ultra-deep events out there) the team that will win it needs to be able to put a bulk of wrestlers into the finals and get the remainder of their wrestlers into the top 4 places. This tournament is typically going to be won by a team with a handful of studs and a complete, balanced team. This team will likely be decided by about three or four factors: 1) The number of byes any of the three favored teams receive in the first round - this can have a large affect on the potential bonus points earned. If the byes are fairly balanced then this isn't an issue 2) Ability to score bonus points through the semi-finals 3/4) Any wrestler from these teams who over-performs by 1-2 places from seed or under-performs by the same margin. - With such a narrow gap in points based on seeds / rankings, one kid could clinch it for any team. Edited February 8, 2012 by ghouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memphissoccerpimp22 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Think 113 santi will be in finals and berz will be in the finals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtnrasslin Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) MY GOODNESS, what's it take to give them a little credit? They totally dominated the finals with bonus point after bonus point. I'm sure they will have quite a few more of those coming up in two weeks CB certainly deserves, and has recieved, credit for their duals championship. However, in trying to handicap the traditional, its important to remember that they were not totally dominant on their way to the win. In fact, in the semis, had the asistant referee's position been upheld in the conference over the disputed takedown in the 195 pound match, Father Ryan would have wrestled another team in the finals. This year the traditional tournament is going to be a war with the ability of lower seeded wrestlers beating their seeds and, as you say, bonus points making the difference. It will be a great weekend. Edited February 9, 2012 by mtnrasslin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sommers Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 CB certainly deserves, and has recieved, credit for their duals championship. However, in trying to handicap the traditional, its important to remember that they were not totally dominant on their way to the win. In fact,in the semis,had the asistant referee's position in the conference over the disputed takedown in the 195 pound match gone the other way, Father Ryan would have wrestled another team in the finals. This year the traditional tournament is going to be a war with the ability of lower seeded wrestlers beating their seeds and, as you say, bonus points making the difference. It will be a great weekend. Very good observation + an extra point or two scored by the wrestler would have changed history for the Duals. The referee as many in the sport of wrestling, basketball, football, etc. Should not be allowed to play a major role in the outcome of either team's final tally. Congrats to the strongest individual tournament team pulling this one out! CBHS is prepared, again,,, 6th at KCI, and 2nd in IL!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2blLeg Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 CB certainly deserves, and has recieved, credit for their duals championship. However, in trying to handicap the traditional, its important to remember that they were not totally dominant on their way to the win. In fact,in the semis,had the asistant referee's position in the conference over the disputed takedown in the 195 pound match gone the other way, Father Ryan would have wrestled another team in the finals. This year the traditional tournament is going to be a war with the ability of lower seeded wrestlers beating their seeds and, as you say, bonus points making the difference. It will be a great weekend. So you are saying that CB won because of a ref? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtnrasslin Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) So you are saying that CB won because of a ref? I am saying the duals was a closer tournament than some want to believe. Edited February 9, 2012 by mtnrasslin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoestring Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 So you are saying that CB won because of a ref? While I was pulling for an all purple championship I have to agree. I was actually waiting for the Baylor fans to blow up this site with complaints after the last match in their dual with Cbhs. They have much more self control than I would have had in their shoes. The last match that was to decide the duals was one of the worst officiated matches I have ever seen. There was a horrible take down or reversal call earlier in the match that went in favor of Cbhs. The non takedown call towards the end of the match that would have sealed the tech fall and a Baylor win was one of the worst I have ever seen. It wasnt even debatable. I was watching all the other referee's reactions that were around the mat and they were astonished to say the least. I actually spoke to some of the refs afterwards and they were very adamament that Baylor should have won. In fact I think there were some discussions with the ref who officiated the match. The refs watching the match told me that the takedown should have been a moot point as they would have already disqualified the Cbhs wrestler for stalling at that point. That being said, Cbhs won the matches they needed to win, got the bonus points at 106,120,145 from their studs. Won at 132 where Im sure Baylor was expecting a win and kept it to a 1 pt decision at 152 where Baylor was probably hoping for Bonus points. You cant discredit what Cbhs kids accomplished but that last match was a travesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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