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I believe we are discussing the Bradley Tournament (hense the name of the forum). Where, in the finals, excluding out of state kids, D-1 won 5 bouts where D-2 won 2.

Hmmmmm, that's funny

How dense can you possibly be? Please, show me the results of Ryan's matches THIS YEAR when they wrestled their full lineup against Bradley, Wilson Central, and Cleveland. You don't have to scroll far, I promise you.

 

And as the poster above mentioned, Ryan was the only D2 school there, wrestled an incomplete lineup, and still beat 27 D1 schools. What an asinine line of logic you've displayed here.

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So you were saying D2 is for lesser teams to be able to compete in your previous statement ? Lol, we don't have to go back to the old forums to see Father Ryan smoked Bradley and Cleveland just last weekend . I hope D I won more matches today considering Father Ryan was the only D2 school there. Heck, I'm all for Bradley but you shouldn't post idiotic statements . Your going to

Lose all credibility

Sure, I agree with you that this year D2 has a grasp on the competition and you are correct when looking at the season as a whole. However, my original statement was talking about today and how Bradley had a much stronger showing than Cleveland. "IrishDad" is confusing what my original statement was. My claim was that Father Ryan did not wrestle well today in the finals or like the team they have been hyped up to be. Trust me when I say I have no bias in this tournament, however, off this tournament alone, Bradley looks very strong. But you can't base a season off one tournament, well until state.
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My claim was that Father Ryan did not wrestle well today in the finals or like the team they have been hyped up to be. Trust me when I say I have no bias in this tournament, however, off this tournament alone, Bradley looks very strong. But you can't base a season off one tournament, well until state.

 

Well sure, if you look at this tournament alone you get to ignore the 49-18 thumping the Irish gave Bradley a week ago. Again, this wasn't that "hyped up" Father Ryan squad, they started three JV kids and didn't even enter a 170 pounder.

 

So to recap, a full-strength Bradley eeked out an 11pt (home) victory over a Ryan squad that was missing nearly a third of their starters.

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Ryan is a great and storied program, but reality is that D1 and DII are not even close. That is why there are two divisions. The lesser schools have a chance to compete also and that is good for the sport. Just imagine if cleveland and wilson central would have been in this tourament.

12/11/15 at Cleveland:

Father Ryan 53 Cleveland 10

 

12/12/15 at Cleveland Duals

Father Ryan 49 Bradley Central 18

 

Eli King pinned Austin Matthews (King did not wrestle this weekend)

Robert Garstin defeated Edward Ekins (Garstin did not wrestle this weekend)

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Well sure, if you look at this tournament alone you get to ignore the 49-18 thumping the Irish gave Bradley a week ago. Again, this wasn't that "hyped up" Father Ryan squad, they started three JV kids and didn't even enter a 170 pounder.

 

So to recap, a full-strength Bradley eeked out an 11pt (home) victory over a Ryan squad that was missing nearly a third of their starters.

I think we should go ahead and check with coach Smith and see if he can go ahead and let you be champs, since you won last week and you want to live in the past.  You do realize last week was a dual tourney and this week was not.  Maybe the coaches will vote FR down a few notches since your panties seem to be not untwisted yet.  i bet coach simpson is not making the excuses of who he choose to put in the lineup.  If he wanted to win the tourney, then bring his best folks.

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I think we should go ahead and check with coach Smith and see if he can go ahead and let you be champs, since you won last week and you want to live in the past. You do realize last week was a dual tourney and this week was not. Maybe the coaches will vote FR down a few notches since your panties seem to be not untwisted yet. i bet coach simpson is not making the excuses of who he choose to put in the lineup. If he wanted to win the tourney, then bring his best folks.

You are a good poster, but there is no way that you believe what you just posted?

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Certainly not taking anything away from Coach Smith, kudos to BC for capitalizing on a depleted Irish lineup. I don't think anyone here is making excuses, just injecting some much-needed context into the discussion.

 

Will Bradley be at the Ryan Tournament? I'm sure Coach Smith would love an opportunity to makeup those 10 losses against the Irish starters

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Certainly not taking anything away from Coach Smith, kudos to BC for capitalizing on a depleted Irish lineup. I don't think anyone here is making excuses, just injecting some much-needed context into the discussion.

 

Will Bradley be at the Ryan Tournament? I'm sure Coach Smith would love an opportunity to makeup those 10 losses against the Irish starters

They haven't attended in the past but would take that tournament to the next level. Heard Union County will be attending this year, that should shake a few weights up. Edited by MatWiz
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Yes div 2 is clearly better. You are correct

Being a diehard Bradley feller, I'll never disagree that div 2 isn't better than div 1. Everyone is foolish to not think so. Well most div 2 teams anyways. Father Ryan would most likely beat any team by 20-30 points this year in Tennessee. (Outside of Baylor last week) they're just that good.

On the other hand tho. Take away schollys and div 2 would be right down to our level. Any div 2 team. That is what seperates div 2 from 1.

The scholly deal will always be in div 2 so yeah, they'll always have the better teams for the most part. Good luck to each team going forward!

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Being a diehard Bradley feller, I'll never disagree that div 2 isn't better than div 1. Everyone is foolish to not think so. Well most div 2 teams anyways. Father Ryan would most likely beat any team by 20-30 points this year in Tennessee. (Outside of Baylor last week) they're just that good.

On the other hand tho. Take away schollys and div 2 would be right down to our level. Any div 2 team. That is what seperates div 2 from 1.

The scholly deal will always be in div 2 so yeah, they'll always have the better teams for the most part. Good luck to each team going forward!

I agree with you that the top of D2 is better, in most years, than is the top of D1.  That said, however, I take issue with you.  Please define"schollys" as used in your post.  Do you even know the TSSAA rules?  If so, you wouldn't be tossing that word around, because it doesn't work the way you imply.  D2 can give need-based financial aid only to help cover the cost of a private education. I said "help cover", because in no case does it cover the entire cost.  How much do the Bradley students pay to attend their school?  Less than those that attend FRHS, I assure you.   

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Of course D2 is going to have overall better quality. They recruit. Besides the Clevelands, Bradleys, Wilson Centrals, etc. MOST D1 schools have virtually no feeder programs. The ones that do lose their good kids to recruiting from the D2 schools when the good kids zoned for their schools are in 8th grade. MOST D1 schools have to spend the first 4 weeks of practice teaching their kids the rules, and technique. Not only is this time consuming, but it hurts the juniors/seniors that finally know the basics by holding them back in practice teaching the new kids. MOST D1 schools have virtually no if any help coaching. It's a one, or at most, a two man show. D2 schools have 4,5, even 6 people on staff, many of whom have wrestled in college. If there are new kids, they can be instructed separately from the experienced ones. Obviously the kids in D2 also have great drill partners.

 

The overall result is exponential. The rich get richer. Who should we have more respect for? A D2 school with a staff of 6 who wins the state by recruiting the best kids around when they are in 8th grade, or a D1 school with a staff of 1 or 2 that taught their kids (with no parents or money) how to wrestle their freshman year who winds up to be at least competitive?

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