Now is it time for a shot clock?

[coachchannell]

Compare the numbers for yourself!!! I did some research about 3 years ago. Call the NHSF and get the numbers for all the participants in HS basketball and then call the NCAA, NAIA, NJCAA, etc and get the numbers for all the participants in the college game (not on scholarship but all of those who are just on a team). The numbers are amazing. Only about 1-2% of all HS basketball players will have a chance to be on a team at the next level and the numbers on scholarship are even smaller!!!

[KevB1990]

I was compensating for the teams like a lot of private schools and the really successful publics that would probably have 3, 4 or even 5 that would play and for some of the lesser schools that probably will never have a kid that can play at the next level.

 

Posted by swamp:

Those would be some pretty deep teams! I think our girls team dressed 12 players. 500 was just an estimate, my friend. 2-3 per school sounds pretty high to me. Sure there will be some teams with 3 or 4 players, but there will be many teams who produce no college players.

 

Posted by KevB1990:

Swamp my brother, considering that there are over 300 high schools in Tennessee, I'd say that there would be quite a few more than 500 players.

 

And of the players on the teams, probably 2, 3 tops per school on average will play college ball somewhere.

[KevB1990]

coachchannell...why don't you try for a 7-4 score? Or better yet a 6-2 score like Smotherman has on file as the lowest scoring boys game...

 

Which was back in the 20s...

[KevB1990]

Whatever the numbers are, the number of kids nationwide will be small because we're talking about all states. It maybe be a little higher in Tennessee than the national average...

 

But, that still doesn't change the rationale about fundamentals...I have seen some college and pro players that have fairly good fundamentals even with a shot clock...

 

Fact is, once you leave high school and play at other levels, there is a shot clock. Isn't there even a shot clock in AAU?

[coachchannell]

Have you see a lot of AAU Basketball? The better teams (with the better PLAYERS) handle the shot clock fairly well. But do you really want the majority of HS players (that obviously do not know what a good shot is vs a bad shot) wanting to be even more rushed into shooting the ball when they have not worked for the best shot available? I may be in a small minority but that would not be good for the game. Someday it may happen and when that day comes, I will adjust along with every other HS coach. Until that day comes, I will continue to teach the game and discipline players to attempt to work for the great shot from the better players and not be subject to having the first person that THINKS they should shoot the ball chucking it up from 24 ft.

[Illini]

Hey both teams last night must have played it well(the stall) this is a game of x's and o's. Why does it matter how many points are scored? If the score was 99-96 nobody would mention a shot clock. So there is no difference. It's a 3 point win either way.

[KevB1990]

I for one want to see the game progress and not regress...If all of you 'purists' like 7-4 snoozers, that's fine. Me, I occasionally like to see good defensive battles like the game I mentioned earlier and I like the high-scoring, edge-of-your-seat type games that are in the 70s, 80s or 90s where the lead changes hands several times.

 

I'd have to wake myself up when a lead change occured in a 7-4 game, especially considering that no points were scored at all in the second and third quarters.

[Edited by KevB1990 on 3-4-03 4:04P]

 

[lazarus]

i wouldnt use our pros as an example of fundamentals. fundamentals are what the rest of the world uses to beat our "all star" teams in international competition, with a bunch of scrubs.

 

the shot clock has no value to anyone but "fans" who want to see lots of shots, since they have no clue what else is going on.

[robjim]

Good discussion, however, on a practical level here are some problems.(can you say $)

 

1. Two new scoreboards in every gym.

2. New time board to run new scoreboards.

3. New wiring to all new scoreboards and time board.

4. Two people to operate the clock and scoreboard. One person cannot keep up with regular game clock, score, fouls, possession arrow and then throw this in as well. I know how difficult it is to get one person to run the clock for games. Two people will be really tough.

[WesVLT]

Theoretically a shot clock is a wonderful idea, but the problem comes in the execution. There are too many schools in Tennessee for the TSSAA to undergo this type of endeavor, and the TSSAA is too strapped financially.

 

If a shot clock were logistically feasible, it would be a wonderful idea in order to ensure that coaches wouldn't cheapen the game of basketball by playing keep-away. A 45- or 60-second shot clock would fulfill this purpose without cramping coaches' offensive schemes or game plans. However, it will not happen simply because the TSSAA cannot afford it, and the change would be difficult to promote among veteran coaches.

 

Oh well. I guess we'll just have to get used to 7-4 games.

[Edited by WesVols on 3-4-03 11:00P]

 

[truthhurts]

I agree with Robjim. Someone earlier said that the major deal would be the cost to the TSSAA - that's not the case. It would be the cost to the schools !! The shot clock is very difficult to operate. You could not have some person over there who did it every two or three games. Having a shot clock basically means having another official.

 

Schools with negative budgets already could not handle the probable $2,000 in shot clock scoreboards with operating boards and the additional fees for more people at the table to run them. One day maybe it will happen but not in the near future.

[robjim]

Thank you Truthhurts, the costs of the boards usually is not a problem if you have a relationship with a local Coke or Pepsi bottler. Budweiser and Miller are not recommended. In exchange for a small bit of advertising on the board you can get them at no charge. Sometimes they will install them. This does not change the fact that you will still need two "consistant" persons to operate it. Not students or parents of players as they are easily distracted.