Private vs. Publics

[BDURHAM]

This will probably get moved to the public - private thread. I think it is a larger issue that pertains to football, so I started it in the football thread.

 

Do the losses by USJ and CPA to 3A and 5A teams respectively tell us anything?

 

Do the losses by Oakland and Centennial to Brentwood Academy and BGA tell us anything?

 

Add Tyner's loss to McCallie to the list.

 

Here is my theory...the size of the private schools does not factor into the equation as neatly as one might hope. If the smaller privates cannot beat larger publics, then why do the larger publics have a problem beating the large privates?

 

There are a few (5-10) privates that can probably beat 95% of the publics. There are another group (2-5) of smaller publics than can probably beat most larger public schools.

 

Classification by size doesn't appear to level the field of competition. The recent games mentioned above confirm what many people have said has been true for several years -- privates have an advantage.

 

Any reactions (with apologies to the mods if this is in the wrong forum)? If publics and privates are still playing each other, I think it is a general issue that pertains to football.

Edited August 31, 2003 by StanTrott

[BDURHAM]

Okay, I was wrong...so now it is in the dark side of the forums.

[VolunteerGeneral]

CBHS barely beat Melrose in a very competitive game 10-8

 

Memphis East beat Briarcrest 20-7

 

Whitehaven beat MUS 35-21

 

I think what this tells us is that there are good teams all over the state both public and private.

 

The problems seem to originate when people don`t like for private schools to win.

 

A split only cheats fans and players in the long run when the best teams don`t play each other in the state playoffs.

[JaxMan]

It tells me that when a good 1A team meet and a good 3A team meet...what you would expect to happen did...it says nothing about public vs private...South Side won...if they where to have lost to USJ you might have an argument...they didn't...they won like a larger school would be expected to do...an when this year is over I venture to say SOuth SIde will not even be the best team in 3A...so maybe what it tells me is the perceived advantage of Privates is just that...perceived...maybe because it is easier to admit than to accept that they are just better than some public school on a given night...

[JaxMan]

Another thing that the USJ loss to South Side tells us...for the last year on this board I have read public school supporters post that if privates would just schedule tougher non-region games against larger schools on their own there would be no need for a split...USJ did just that...believe me I am not a USJ fan...they are my teams biggest rival...but I admire there going out and scheduling harder, bigger schools...however...even when they do...and lose by a large margin...we find people still trying to read into it that they need to be moved to division II....so I think what this game tells me is...if privates want to stay in division I the only way is to lose...we have to lose every game to a public school or else we get booted...I agree with VG...this isn't about fair...or advantages...it is about public schools not wanting to ever lose to privates...even then...public supporters look for some hidden message...USJ lost 42-15 and somehow it is supposed to mean they have an advantage...if that is what an advantage does for you...then I hope all public schools get an advantage....maybe they always have had one

Edited September 1, 2003 by JaxMan

[TheEgoHasLanded]

Briarcrest also lost to Ridgeway, a public school team, the next week.

 

Harding lost to White Station, a public school...37-6!

 

ECS won, and I believe BGA won, so I don't really see the argument either way.

[wildcatfan]

Ego is exactly right. Size of a school in Centennial's case doesn't matter because they haven't really had the talent that the other Williamson Co. schools like Franklin and mainly Brentwood has. Brentwood would probably beat BGA and last year I think they would have beaten any D-II AA team and they definately could have beaten MBA (the champ) because of their defense.

 

I think this whole public/private discussion is trite.

[bluefan2]

CBHS also beat East in overtime in friday nights match up. CBHS is on a roll this year and could be the real thing for private schools. It will be interesting to see what happens when they play Brentwood this week. Good luck CBHS.

[wildcatfan]

blue, is CBHS back? It seems this year may be good year. Kind of a bad year to rebound though, with how good MBA, BA, and McCallie are.

[pujo]

IF THE 1A AND 2A POWERHOUSE PRIVATES WOULD MOVE UP TO THEIR LEVEL OF COMPETITION ,WE MIGHT NOT BE HAVING THIS DICUSSION.

[TheEgoHasLanded]

If the 1A and 2A publics would move up their level of play, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[wildcatfan]

Amen, EGO!