Soccer

[Tacoma]

Out of 8 teams in the A/AA state tournament, 7 were private schools.

Out of 4 teams in the A/AA semi-finals, 4 were private schools.

The championship game was between 2 private schools.

 

Soccer is just another sport that is being taken over in the smaller division by the private schools.

[VolunteerGeneral]

Out of 8 teams in the A/AA state tournament, 7 were private schools.

Out of 4 teams in the A/AA semi-finals, 4 were private schools.

The championship game was between 2 private schools.

 

Soccer is just another sport that is being taken over in the smaller division by the private schools.

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Another ignorant post. I have a daughter who competes against two of the private schools in the final 8 that you whine about. Not only are we from the same region, but they are from the same side of their region. USJ and JCS were not that much better than than Madison or Liberty. I don`t whine and cry like you do. I don`t know what your problem is. USJ and JCS set a standard for the other teams to acheive.

 

Don`t be whining for all of us because some public schools don`t cry like you do.

Edited October 28, 2004 by VolunteerGeneral

[Tacoma]

I heard no whine in my post. All I stated was current fact. No accusations were made. No plans were given to "correct" this. I just stated that private schools are dominating the sport. Private schools constitute about 15% of the schools competing in this division during the year. Privates schools constituted over 85% of the schools competing at the state level. Looks like domination to me.

[lazarus]

"Another ignorant post. I have a daughter who competes against two of the private schools in the final 8 that you whine about....Don`t be whining for all of us because some public schools don`t cry like you do." Thracymachus

 

 

taco-dont lose a lot of sleep over what T-gen has to say. since i sent my child to a private school, i reckon i can represent myself as a private supporter when i say:

 

playing in single a is pure and simple cherry-picking. if we do no more than an adequate job with our resources, we can beat most of the 1-A publics. if we give anything over a half effort we can beat them all. those who have so desperately clung to their spot in the weakest division dont represent us all, some of us are a little embarrassed about the whole thing.

 

 

tacoma, on a serious note. t-gen is no more a public supporter than i am a private supporter. if you dont believe me, hop to the football board and run down till you find the last thread t-gen started. it is about the school he REALLY supports. he is a private guy, and i am a public guy, regardless of where the kids go/went.

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Isn't this why they multiplied our enrollment by 1.8?

[theghost20]

Isn't this why they multiplied our enrollment by 1.8?

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Yes, but because soccer and volleyball have only two classifications (A/AA & AAA), the multiplier won't move the private schools out of the lower classification. In other sports - mainly football but possibly others, the multiplier likely will move the private school up in classification.

[VolunteerGeneral]

dream on Laz

[BDURHAM]

Laz,

 

Why the disparity?

 

if we do no more than an adequate job with our resources, we can beat most of the 1-A publics.

[std]

Stan Trott, I thought you bid this forum fair well?

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Lenoir City is a public school that made it to the A/AA state finals in guy's soccer. BUT... I heard that they are moving up to AAA for a short period of time because of increased enrollment.

[trackman]

vol gen - your post was nasty, uncalled for, and inappropriate. As he said, he stated facts. You are the one who seems to be whining all the time.

[lazarus]

hello stan,

 

sorry i havent responded to your question.

this is a really busy time of year for me.

 

my comment was overstated, i was just trying to be a t-gen. but overstated doesnt mean there was no truth to it. in my mind, the results indicate that advantages exist, and there has been much discussion on here about what those advantages are.

 

i think there are a number of different factors involved.

some have attributed it to urban-rural differences, and have some convincing evidence to back it up.

others have said money is the reason. i think money is an important factor. (i know the private guys are going to say "we arent rich". true, but take a ride thru coalfield some day. you are richer than you think).

coaching-no doubt coaching is a factor, and a big one. but coaches who have been at both types of schools tend to have had a lot more success at private schools.

there is the "R" word. there is no avoiding that argument. technically, every kid in a private school is "recruited". if i opened a private school and told no one about it, no one would come.

and there are plenty more factors. i think they all play a part, and none of them are predominant.

 

i think it is a matter of distribution. if you look at the families that send kids to our school, there are a percentage who come from families who do not speak english. there will be pretty much no athletes from those. we have a percentage who come from families with shockingly low incomes. pretty much no athletes from those. some families basically are opposed to sports. no athletes from those. there are families who will not take kids to practice, will not pay for camps, or shoes, or any other equipment, who only send their kids to school because the law requires it. precious few athletes from those. we have kids with mental handicaps, physical handicaps, and so forth. no athletes there. in the end, our effective enrollment for sports purposes is about 25% of the listed number. private schools have a very different distribution. and if they emphasize sports it will skew even further. i see single a enrollment private schools who can platoon in football. if we could FORCE every prospective player onto the team, we couldnt platoon.

 

think of it this way. the titans organization consists of how many people? i doubt it is much over a hundred. pick any factory with 5 times the number of employees, and they could not field a team that could play football with the titans. not even this year!

 

but this thread is about minor sports. in this case soccer. the small rural schools do not have the resources to field real teams in minor sports. there are no developmental programs. the kids are introduced to the sport in school. there are no experienced, knowledgable coaches. it is hard enough for a small school to come up with major sport coaches from the existing faculty. they have to rely heavily on what volunteers might show up. there are limited facilities. soccer, at least, can get by with a field. volleyball would need gym time in a facility already in use from early morning until night. and there is no money. the major sports already fund-raise the few willing donors to death. and the problem is exacerbated by the current divisions. in the rare event that a small school has some of the resources (maybe an actual coach with a background in a minor sport) to field a representative team, they would just be crushed by the larger schools and existing strong private programs until they gave up.

 

i dont know if this is what you were asking. but it is the best i could do in a short time.