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They are not even happy when privates are losing. On this thread alone, a private school with one all-time basbeall title to its credit and no other championships (including football) in its history is being called out. This same school has been put out of the football playoffs four of the last five years by a public school. The P/P debate always has been somewhat dysfunctional but seems to have increased in ridiculousness in recent years. I love reading the Grace Christian thread on the 1A/2A Football Board. That school's transgressions aside (for which they are seemingly being justly and harshly punished), the public furor and vitriol is being directed toward a private school that has lost playoff games in the last three years by 44, 25, and 34 - all to public schools, and only one of which has a legitimate, long-term claim as a football power. Lord knows what will be said about them should they ever fill the mudholes that have been stomped in their backsides and start winning some titles. I would like to see people who speak out against the privates post their school affiliations in their posts. My guess is names like "South Pittsburg", "Trousdale County", "Alcoa", et al. would not show up often, with the point being that many of the naysayers out there support programs that would have difficulty winning even without the presence of privates. Private schools can and certainly have been the scapegoat for certain public schools that have difficulty competing at any level. Blaming it on the privates is an easy crutch that draws sympathy, even from the publics who don't have relative trouble athletically with privates but can easily join the cause through a general disdain of privates on non-athletic levels. Who/what are the also-ran public schools going to use as scapegoats/excuses when there is no private competition to blame? I don't want to hear "we won't care, as long as the playing field is level". Until they stop making scoreboards, fans will always care.

Yes, on the conference website, there are stats of all kinds back to 2003, including penalties. You can look at the individual years on the site, but here's a seven-year summary (based on original Super 7 members only given the change in number of teams over that time): Penalties Per Game Baylor 4.36 BA 4.47 McCallie 4.82 MUS 5.15 MBA 5.57 Ryan 5.83 CBHS 5.93 Penalty Yards Per Game Baylor 37.3 BA 38.0 McCallie 40.7 MUS 42.5 MBA 43.7 Ryan 49.4 CBHS 50.1 Yards Per Penalty MBA 7.86 MUS 8.25 McCallie 8.46 CBHS 8.46 Ryan 8.47 BA 8.50 Baylor 8.56

I think you may be correct.

http://www.hsfdatabase.com/tennesseefaf.htm You have one of the best HS football websites that I have ever seen! I know that it took alot of time and effort to put that together. Great Job!!!!!! Thanks for the words. The site has been a 5+ year, proverbial "labor of love", which I still find the motivation to work on most days of the week, even after a regular job and family obligations during the day/night. The site will always be a work-in-progress - there is so much data out there, even for a state of moderate size like Tennessee - but the updates have been greater this year, with about 30,000 new game results added. I hope to have all playoff era (1969-present) results for all Tennessee schools - including about 40-50 schools I need to add who played in the 70s are early 80s but have since been closed or consolidated into other schools - by kickoff 2010. It may be a stretch, but Middle Tennessee schools should be there by then, and many of the Metro Nashville schools' histories are well on their way back to 1969. I also hope to have all of the playoff era all-state teams on the site as well (always interesting to see how difficult it was to make all-state 20+ years ago in a 3-class system with usually one slot per position, versus today with multiple slots per position over twice as many classes and classes half the size of the old ones). Thanks again for the comments. I know the site isn't flashy, but if it helps people find older scores and info that isn't readily accessible on the internet, then that purpose is good enough for me. Also, on the subject itself, it would be great if some fans of some of the older schools could dig up results for their programs. Someone just sent in Trousdale County a few weeks ago, which put them in the Top 15 in wins. My guess is a few of the older privates (BGA & Father Ryan, in particular) have win totals that would put them quite high up the list as well.

Especially here in Middle Tennessee? Give me a break. By my rough count... Pro Talent 2010 Draftees - 3M, 2W, 1E Last 5 Drafts - 9W, 8M, 5E Last 10 Drafts - 17W, 16M, 15E Last 23 Drafts (as far back as I have data) - 40W, 36M, 29E Programs Since the 1997 Split Titles in Largest DI Class - 9M, 2W, 2E Titles in Largest DII Class - 8M, 4W, 1E Titles in Smallest DI Class - 8M, 3E, 2W Titles in Smallest DII Class - 7W, 5M, 1E Interesting aside - we often read on this site how Memphis is "not West Tennessee". I can tell you it ain't Middle or East either. And if West wants to play in the strength game, it needs to claim Memphis. Are we talking college signee "weakness"? I'll let someone else pull the numbers. But let's define "signee" first. Some of these "papers" that kids sign are hardly any type of scholarship, much less athletic scholarships. More power and best wishes to any kid where he goes or "signs", but if we are going to drill down to "strength" in the truest since of the word, then much filtering needs to be done. Are we talking QB strength? Middle Tennessee had the only NFL QB drafted this year (and another draftee was a QB in high school - in Middle Tennessee no less). Who was the last QB draftee before that? Ingle Martin (Middle yet again) maybe? We may have to go back to Pennington (East) to find a non-Middle Tennessee draft pick at signal caller.

Ninety-five percent? So, if the roster has 50 public school kids, then at least 48 have to go to a private school. I'll book that bet on the 95% conversion prediction. How much? How about a plus membership to CoachT? You win, I buy you one; you lose, you buy your own. PYMWYMI 48 is 96% of 50. You actually need 47.5 students of 50 to be recruited in order to make the 95% mark. Last time I checked, headless torsos or torso-less heads were not playing football (or really having much of a life anyway). Thus, my original wording ("at least 48") was used. Using 47 would have been under the threshold. Using 47.5 would have been dealing with lifeless body parts. 47, 47.5, 48, whatever - the bet hasn't been taken. Hmmm...

Ninety-five percent? So, if the roster has 50 public school kids, then at least 48 have to go to a private school. I'll book that bet on the 95% conversion prediction. How much? How about a plus membership to CoachT? You win, I buy you one; you lose, you buy your own. PYMWYMI

With six draftees this year, 2010 was Tennessee's best showing in the draft since 2003, when it had nine draftees. Hats off to these six picks, which include three former DII players: Dan Williams (1, 26) - Memphis East Golden Tate (2, 60) - Pope John Paul II Jacques McClendon (4, 129) - Baylor Greg Hardy (6, 175) - Briarcrest Thomas Welch (7, 208) - Brentwood Levi Brown (7, 209) - Mt. Juliet And yes, we all likely know the high school from which McClendon graduated (it wasn't Baylor), but I'm not sure that school can claim him as a draft pick since he never played there. Thoams Welch is an interesting story as well - high school QB and converted TE to OL in college.

On the subject of DA, if there are any DA fans that have access to yearbooks/records from years ago, I could use a little help on DA's football history. I am trying to track down the following: 1994 Score against BGA (loss) Score against Stewart County (win) 1988 Score against Clarksville Academy Score against FRA (this game was originally postponed by rain; not sure if it was made up) Week 5 opponent/score 1986 Week 5 opponent/score (I do know DA lost this game) Week 8 opponent/score Week 7 score against Red Boiling Springs Any help anyone can provide would be appreciated. Thanks.

As in the former MBA coach?

A couple of recent Brentwood High School graduates - (supposedly) good kids in a good school in one of the most highly-regarded academic school systems in the state - decided to rob a few banks in the Middle Tennessee area over the past few months (as a side note, after their last robbery in Gallatin, they decided to shoot at the police who were chasing them, which resulted in both being killed). Applying the same logic, it would be implied all those associated with public schools are gun-toting, crime-committing sociopaths. As a different private school supporter, I haven't lost a hint of sleep or hair over this story. I am intrigued by the story more from the fact that, as previously stated, this is a school that's putting up paper thin defenses in the football playoffs the past few years (seriously, some of the smallest enrollment public schools haven't given up 60 per playoff game to private schools over multiple playoff games like GCA has in recent history!) and has a girls basketball program that appeared to struggle to win games this year. That is not exactly stuff of Brentwood Academy football dominance infamy in the mid-to-late 90s. Still, cheating is cheating - no matter how good or bad you are at it - and offenders should be punished, regardless if the fruits of those transgressions yield the desired results. However, I'm sure that quite a few private schools out there - some of which have been around for 50, 100, and even more years and with foundations and roots that go far beyond silly little numbers place on a scoreboard or cheap, faux gold trophies displayed in a case - neither care about how one other school's errors reflect on them nor are changing the ways they operate that make them the well-rounded schools they are today.

RJ has told the folks at Harding Academy he is leaving for BGA next school year, so it may indeed be him.

I thought "past statistics [were] for losers". State, Knoxville, whatever. If past statistics don't matter, then I don't know how anyone can proclaim any team in the present to be superior to another. Everyone starts at 0-0.

How can a case be made for a team being the best at something if there are no statistics to help support that argument? Throwing out all "past statistics" yields, in this state, about 330 football teams across all classes with no histories and a current 0-0 record. I'd love to see the analysis that was done to arrive at West's supposed superiority amongst just 50-60 5A teams with equal resumes.

A committee of coaches worked on the plan that was presented to the Board of Control. Committee members were: Gary Shephard, Clarksville Academy Ray Stocstill, Cornersville Dan Bland, Humboldt -- missed first meeting, attended second meeting Jimmy Maynord, Smith County Gary Rankin, Alcoa -- did not attend a meeting Glenn McCadams, David Lipscomb P.A. Pratt, Crockett County Jeff Porter, White House Joe Gaddis, Henry County Steve Brewer, Sevier County -- did not attend second meeting Rodney Saulsberry, Whitehaven Wayne Turner, Tyner Academy Does anyone know to what extent these coaches worked on the plan outside of the two meetings?

The people who run the TV stations did choose to put the DI-A and DI-AA games up against the SEC basketball tournament. I can't imagine advertisers knocking the door down to get slots today. Maybe they were hoping that Brittany Jackson woud be doing the play-by-play in her skimpies...

If South Pittsburg "beats a lot of people by 50", then what separates GCA from all of the other teams who also get beat by 50? I'll say this: for my 1A money, give me a South Pittsburg or Union City or Huntingdon for a title run each year, and you can have the field, including the "big city" privates. Those schools' non-varsity football teams even have more tradition and grit than any of these Johnny-Come-Lately ABCs.

"Cheat" and "getting beaten badly" would largely be considered a non sequitur. This is a classic example of "needing to fire the recruiting coordinator" if there ever was one if the allegations are on target. I don't know what's going on at this school. If they (or anyone else) are cheating, they need to be punished accordingly. But from what I see on paper from this school's defense in football (not to mention its girls basketball program - I assume the 2009-2010 record is not a misprint), if cheating is occurring, then there is some horrid assessment of talent taking place by the conspirators.

I would agree. Those defenses He put together at GCA in the playoffs for the 2009 South Pittsburg game (57 points given up), 2008 Greenback game (61), and 2007 Midway game (49) give a new meaning to the word "holy". "Be on your guard; stand firm in the faith; be men of courage; be strong. (And tackle somebody.)"

Thanks. It was a nice season for the Big Red, and especially for Luke Colbert, who many thought may not have been able to play after that injury during football season. Coincidentally enough, I attended my first basketball game in 10+ years this weekend. I guess I picked a good one to attend. I rarely have much to offer during basketball season, primarily due just to a lack of time and not so much a lack of interest. Seeing the anti-DII brain trust chimes in with its prescient comments on these threads, too, I'm apparently not missing anything I can't find on the football boards.

Thats cute take long to think that one up? It took longer to decide whether or not to use the usual "if they're recruiting, they should fire their recruiting coordinator" rallying cry. Let's face it - due to the limited history of the school on the TSSAA level, I'd say there is, at best, a 50% chance that fans outside of 1A football and/or East Tennessee even know where Grace Christian is located. Alleged improprieties or not, pulling the "Grace Christian card" is not very compelling fodder for the anti-privates. Anyone worried about a school who is giving up half-a-hundred+ three years in a row in the playoffs is probably overlooking some fundamental issues in his or her own program.

I understand the TSSAA is looking into various East Tennessee scoreboard manufacturers, as somehow or another the formation of the numbers 57, 61, and 49 appeared for Grace Christian's "yellow bus" opponents in each of their last three season-ending playoff appearances. They just don't make light bulbs like they used to.

Happy New Year, everyone! Good to see the hubris spigot has been found and the pipes have been unfrozen over on "100" in all of this frigid middle Tennessee weather. I understand from one very close to matters over there that, among a couple of other positions, quarterback was a very legitimate concern for the 2010 season - at least as of six weeks ago. Of course, I don't even know how "inside" that information is - anyone can see from reading a lineup/roster that the QB position needs to be replaced - but I was rather surprised with the conviction with which that was said by someone so close. "Better next year than this year" - how many times do we hear/read that cliche? How often is that true is probably a better question, particularly when the comparison is to a prior year team that loses a couple thousand rushing yards and some other DI players from what was a great team itself. No, there is no doom and gloom at EHS, but if EHS is better in 2010 than 2009, I'd be highly surprised. And until EHS wins a title, the path goes through Memphis first and two other Nashville-area schools after that. "Dynasty" is generally not a term reserved for potential. I will say this in agreement with some of your wording: if we see repeats of some of the inexplicable Xs and Os decisions that occurred in the 2009 playoffs, yes, the "beat" will certainly go on in 2010. And if the 2010 version of the team is better than the 2009 version, then that "beat" will come with much more pain, as there is no Brunetti/MUS or any other dominant team on preseason paper as there was in 2009. The 2009 title this year was MUS's to lose, literally and figuratively, and they held serve.

Your guess seems to be correct, as it appears his rankings do not factor in games with out-of-state teams. Per his site: "Only games played against the teams in the ratings are used to formulate the power ratings."

That article fails to remind readers that there was a 14.3% increase in the number of title games, which translates into a 4.4% reduction in average fans per game.