Hydration Confusion

[footballfan9926]

but what would you add to the cup? it would have to be hot water. you couldnt just use room temperature water or something, because pee is noticibly warmer than regular water. i just don't se this kind of thing happening.

[pattonboysdad]

another part of the certification process...is that the body fat test is the most inaccurate way you can actually test body fat...

 

one of our wrestlers weighed in at around 105...with a body fat of 5%...but we knew it was wrong...went and had to pay a 150.00 for another accurate test and the real body fat was .....15%...

 

go figure...

 

we tried to call the board within the two week period to challenge the test (this was before the 150.00 test) and no one called us back...so when we finally got in touch with the board...they said...it is to late and if you want to challenge you must go and get the 150.00 test

 

yikes

[MasterBlaster 1]

another part of the certification process...is that the body fat test is the most inaccurate way you can actually test body fat...

 

so what happens if a kid is suspected of cheating?

[RamRod]

so what happens if a kid is suspected of cheating?

Y'all made me wonder so I called TSSAA and this is what I was told. If a wrestler is suspected of doing something to his sample, he has 14 days to retest but will be ineligible to wrestle until the TSSAA receives letters from the Wrestler, Coach and Athletic Director of the school.

The letter has to have an apology and information on how this will not happen again etc. I suspect that next year or in the near future that some young man is going to ineligible for an entire season or a coach will be suspended or fined.

 

I hope that coaches are not telling kids how to beat the test!

[rcpatriot]

Y'all made me wonder so I called TSSAA and this is what I was told. If a wrestler is suspected of doing something to his sample, he has 14 days to retest but will be ineligible to wrestle until the TSSAA receives letters from the Wrestler, Coach and Athletic Director of the school.

The letter has to have an apology and information on how this will not happen again etc. I suspect that next year or in the near future that some young man is going to ineligible for an entire season or a coach will be suspended or fined.

 

I hope that coaches are not telling kids how to beat the test!

 

Most of us don't, but you did in your previous post!!

[140 cchs]

I have herd of people cheating one way was to keep water in your mouth (To possibly warm it) and spit it into the cup or simply dip the cup in the toilet and add a little urine. If i were you i would just take the test and get it over with.

[sofine]

Due to the setups of some facilities, it can be difficult to actually watch a person urinate in a cup. But, in all cases, attempts are made to ensure that no cheating is going on, as well as trying to give a person some privacy.

 

As far as holding water in the mouth....the examiners should try to get the person to talk or open their mouth to guard against this practice.

 

Some have been guilty of dipping their cups into the toilet when they can't produce a sample. Um, that doesn't fly, because urine is warm.....toilet water isn't.

 

Urine has an odor - water doesn't (usually)

 

If somebody wants to hold a sample of urine in their mouth and use that as theirs....bravo for the kudos!!!! But you still ain't going to pass.

 

The testing procedure, while frustrating, was implemented to ensure that these wrestlers weren't potentially causing harm to themselves by dangerously cutting weight. As far as trying to cheat the test...it has been done I'm sure, but if it happens too frequently, then look for the TSSAA to really start cracking down and making the testing procedure more lengthy and frustrating.

 

Just two cents worth from a person who has administered the tests.

Edited December 21, 2005 by sofine

[RamRod]

Didn't a pro-baseball player get caught with a fake ###### that was used to administer his fake urine. I guess thats next.

 

From NJ:

Hydration test poses hurdle for wrestlers

 

A new test has been added to the certification process for high school wrestlers this year.

All wrestlers must now pass a hydration test before stepping onto the mats. According to the NJSIAA, the new standards are to help discourage crash diets to get down to weight, but many coaches are expressing concern.

"The problem with the hydration test is you don't know until you get there," East Brunswick head coach Glen Pazinko said. "It's something that takes time for coaches and kids to understand what's good and bad for hydration."

In a last-ditch effort to drop weight, many wrestlers resort to not drinking, deciding to wait until after the weigh-in to binge on all the water they want. They wont be able to do that this year, or at least for certification, where their lowest healthy weight class is determined and set.

Mostly concerned with the new restrictions will be the lower weights, although even a heavyweight can easily fail for not being hydrated. For schools where numbers can be a problem, getting a 103 pounder on the mats can be hard enough and the new tests should make it even harder.

Fewer kids will wrestle up because many will have no choice but to be certified at a higher weight than they might have been able to get away with last year after a day or so of laying off the liquids. That's another thing coaches are crying foul about.

"My concern is for the 103 pounders," said Perth Amboy head coach Mike Giordano, who described the new testing as "an absolute nightmare."

"If he's 105, he has to go to 112 and get pounded, literally pounded."

Giordano added that he knows the good intent is there, citing three deaths of collegiate wrestlers in the fall of 1997 related to dropping weight.

"They're trying to implement a college system in a high school system and you just can't," Giordano said.

Many coaches expressed concerns about their athletes getting certified at higher weights.

"It was a stressful event to say the least," Giordano said afterward.

 

This sound like some of our same issues.

Edited December 21, 2005 by RamRod

[RamRod]

Yea I here talk, but I guess i am dumb. I havent understood how you can cheat.

This is what comes up when you type into Google about beating the test.

9. SUBSTITUTION

This method works for every urine test, every time (provided that some conditions are met). You simply give them clean urine (not yours). This works very well if you're not supervised. If you are going to be supervised, try to talk them out of it. Someone told me they were going to be monitored, and they said "I don't want you to watch me ######!" So the supervisor waited outside; probably with his/her ear to the door to listen for opening containers. Members in active duty are often watched as the urine flows from source to destination (but substitution will even work on this test, as you will find out). Abbie Hoffman, author of "Stealing This Urine Test," suggested leaving a few drops of urine on the seat or on your shoe for as "an added measure of authenticity."

 

9.1 Substitution methods: There are three methods, but two of them are painful, and you have to be determined to use them. The most common way to sneak in urine is in a concealed container.

 

9.1.1 Concealed container: Simply conceal the urine. The first time you're alone with the container they give you, dump in your concealed urine. Be sure you can quietly open the container; the lab personnel may be just outside the door listening. You may be required to change into a gown. If so, a condom or douche bag holding the sample and taped around the thigh can be concealed under the gown. You can also run a plastic line from a flexible container and tape it to your urination equipment (to be gender neutral), and even ###### under supervision. Be sure to keep the sample between 91 and 97 degrees.

 

9.1.2 Injection: There's a way to use substitution even when you're under the strictest supervision. Athletes trying to pass tests for anabolic steroids have been known to empty their bladders, and have the substituted urine injected directly into their bladders via needle. It was shown in a motion picture like "Wildcats" or something. While theoretically possible, it's painful and subject to infection. It would certainly be the most senseless way to get clean urine into the testees bladder. If this must be done, catheterization should be used.

 

9.1.3 Catheterization: First void your bladder as you would with injection. Run a thin plastic tube to the bladder. (Males must insert the tube into the opening of the ######, go through the urethra and into the bladder.) Catheterization done on females is not as unpleasant as it is for males. Then inject the clean urine into the bladder via catheter. Catheterization is less painful, safer, and more effective. Infection is still possible.

 

9.2 Where to get clean urine.

 

9.2.1 Urine from a donor: You can substitute someone else's urine. Ask your urine donor (hopefully a friend you can trust) what drugs they've taken in the last month.

 

9.2.2 Powdered urine: If you don't trust your friend's sample, or don't have any clean friends, you can get powdered urine from Martha Butterfield-Jay Foundation. It's produced by Byrd Labs, and supposedly works perfectly; however, I got MBJF's powdered urine, and it did not specify the age or gender of the original sample. Powdered urine must be prepared ahead of time. If there is a period of time that you are clean, you can make powdered urine from your own supply.

 

9.2.2.1 Making your own powdered urine: Urinate in a glass container. Let it evaporate. Then scrape the inside for the concentrate. Just mix it with water before the test, and the sample will have the correct specific gravity, pH, color, etc.

 

9.2.3 Dog urine:

[Sommers]

Real winners in life or on the mat never come from this kind of cheating. These are your future Enron folks or even potential thugs. These are the guys that will go to any length to win including twisting knees, ankles, etc. to get any advantage possible.

 

The true winners are those that prepare through extreme hard work/drills, and still can enjoy mom's beans and potatoes (without the roids) at supper + drink plenty of fluids the day of the match.

Edited December 22, 2005 by Sommers

[RamRod]

Real winners in life or on the mat never come from this kind of cheating. These are your future Enron folks or even potential thugs. These are the guys that will go to any length to win including twisting knees, ankles, etc. to get any advantage possible.

 

The true winners are those that prepare through extreme hard work/drills, and still can enjoy mom's beans and potatoes (without the roids) at supper + drink plenty of fluids the day of the match.

I agree. I saw young men try to beat drug testing and get away with this in the Military! They ended up getting an Art 15 and being marked as a bad egg the rest of there short military careers.

The way the test is administered leaves it open for abuse but as stated on an earlier post changing it would increase the cost.

 

IMO-The same coaches who use to let their kids lose up to 10 lbs in one day or the kids that use to do this may be the ones trying to beat the system now.