Div. 1 Dream Team vs. Div. II Dream Team

[tnfolkstyle]

Im not too sure that Ben Johnson could beat Bo Usary.

I think Ben Johnson might be able to beat him once if they wrestled about 50 times. Ben Johnson is an excellent wrestler but he is still a level or so below Usary. Bo only lost one match all year while wrestling 130 and 135 and won two best wrestler awards at 130. Ben was probably the 3rd or 4th best 125 in the state this year and clearly the #1 in D2 so I'm not taking anything away from him.

[wrestler555]

I dunno..i think it would probably be a pretty good match because Ben Johnson looked pretty dang good against Goins from Ringold

[xtrmx]

Also, did Cash from BA wrestle any standouts during the year? If so, how did he do against them?

 

Did he beat Johnson 103 state champ from 05?

[marvel]

It would be interesting to find out if Caleb Myers 112 and Bo Usary 125 had the same weight assesor. I have my doubts has to whether either wrestler could legally certify at the weight they wrestled in the state tournament. Both looked weaked and dehydrated the first two days of the tournament. Neither wrestled well until after the final weigh-in when they could hydrate. It was sad to see Caleb get mauled by an inferior opponent on Friday. I suspect their assesor was a huge Upper East TN fan who totally missed the point of the weight loss program.

[mofo11]

I think Ben Johnson might be able to beat him once if they wrestled about 50 times. Ben Johnson is an excellent wrestler but he is still a level or so below Usary. Bo only lost one match all year while wrestling 130 and 135 and won two best wrestler awards at 130. Ben was probably the 3rd or 4th best 125 in the state this year and clearly the #1 in D2 so I'm not taking anything away from him.

Wait you think ben johnson was only the 3rd or 4th best 125 in state? who do u think is better besides Usary? Im pretty sure ben only lost 1 match all year to Ringolds 125 who is like a 3x georgia state champ and ben beat him this year the last time they wrestled. I agree that usary and him would be a good match but johnson being only the 3rd or 4th best 125 in the state is a long stretch in my opinion.

Edited February 24, 2006 by mofo11

[CoachDelgado]

Morgan Abrigo of Forrest in the 140 finalagainst Holliman. Major decisioned Burdette of ND ( a returning D-II medalist) in first round. Then won 17-15 OT decision over Boebert of Kenwood. After that he beat Johnson ( Mun) and pinned Jones ( Cleve) to get to the finals-------if I read the brackets right, it looks like Johnson and Jones were the No. 2 and No. 3 seeds.

You did not read the brackets right. The only seeded wrestlers in the D-I state tournament are returning medalists that also won the region. Holliman is the only wrestler who qualified and was seeded as the number 1. The other wrestlers were essentially blind drawn into their positions with their region placing determining their matchups(with the exception of 135), 1's vs 4's and 3's, 2's vs 3's and 2's. The formula also keeps the number 1 and 4 from a region on the opposite half bracket from the number 2 and 3. Also, only 1 person from any region can be in the sam e quarter bracket.

The 125 bracket shows this better where Geren from South Doyle and Cope from Centennial were returning medalists that did no win their regions so they were not seeded.

[Cowboy Curtis]

It would be interesting to find out if Caleb Myers 112 and Bo Usary 125 had the same weight assesor. I have my doubts has to whether either wrestler could legally certify at the weight they wrestled in the state tournament. Both looked weaked and dehydrated the first two days of the tournament. Neither wrestled well until after the final weigh-in when they could hydrate. It was sad to see Caleb get mauled by an inferior opponent on Friday. I suspect their assesor was a huge Upper East TN fan who totally missed the point of the weight loss program.

Forrest Gump said "stupid is as stupid does". Your post is proof positive. Myers had a good tournament but i'm sure his goal was to win gold. Usary wrestled three returning medalists, something I'm not sure anyone else did in D1, and went home with his second GOLD medal. As for if they could legally certify at 112 or 125, of cource they could. THEY DID. "That's all I've got to say about that"

[tin man]

Here is what Tn should do. Most wrestlers and fans want d-1 and d-2 back together. Lets put the tournament back together and just keep seperate team standings for public and private. let the kids wrestle each other. The d-2 kids get no respect because their tournament is a joke. how rewarding can it be to beat such a small field? Most of the d-2 champions would still be in the top two or three with many of them winning regardless. Keep public/private seperate team standings but lets have our state champions be state champions

 

If we want to combine D1 and D2 back together, why not do so for the Duals also? And if "The D2 kids get no respect because their tournament is a joke." why not let the teams (in Duals) also compete together?

 

I dont think the D1 schools would fare quite so well. Looking at the last coaches poll, D2 produced 4 of the top 10 teams (from a pool of only 16 schools) while D1 schools accounted for the other 6 positions, but from a much larger (over 150?) pool.

 

Does everyone really want to combine the divisions? Or are they afraid the D1 Duals will look like the D2 duals with Bradley, Soddy Daisey, and Clarksville added?

[FromFieldtoPitch]

If we want to combine D1 and D2 back together, why not do so for the Duals also? And if "The D2 kids get no respect because their tournament is a joke." why not let the teams (in Duals) also compete together?

 

I dont think the D1 schools would fare quite so well. Looking at the last coaches poll, D2 produced 4 of the top 10 teams (from a pool of only 16 schools) while D1 schools accounted for the other 6 positions, but from a much larger (over 150?) pool.

 

Does everyone really want to combine the divisions? Or are they afraid the D1 Duals will look like the D2 duals with Bradley, Soddy Daisey, and Clarksville added?

 

The point of keeping seperate divisions in team competition is to keep a level playing field. Private schools have the luxury of being able to pull kids in from any area in the county, state, or even country if they are so lucky as to attract the promising wrestlers from those areas. Public schools must live with the immediate population and the athletes that live in that area. The example that I've used, and it seems quite common, is how should we expect a school like Tullahoma High School to compete with McCallie when McCallie has pulled a Tullahoma-raised wrestler into its school and program (Cody Cleveland)? It's no one's fault, no one is to blame, but it's the fact of the matter that it happens.

 

There is no such problem when it comes to individual tournaments. Many people want the team scores to be done away with at the traditional tournament. I think that it would be best to keep them and place the teams according to divisions.

 

You are also disregarding the fact that DI schools must first qualify for their region dual tournament then win that tournament (the way it was a few years ago, at least, not for sure how it goes now) to appear at the state duals. I'm not sure how DII schools in the tournament is decided.

 

For future reference, turn the pompous and arrogant attitude down if you don't want to sound like the stereotypical DII supporter. If that's what you're shooting for, however, then well done.

[tin man]

The point of keeping seperate divisions in team competition is to keep a level playing field. Private schools have the luxury of being able to pull kids in from any area in the county, state, or even country if they are so lucky as to attract the promising wrestlers from those areas. Public schools must live with the immediate population and the athletes that live in that area. The example that I've used, and it seems quite common, is how should we expect a school like Tullahoma High School to compete with McCallie when McCallie has pulled a Tullahoma-raised wrestler into its school and program (Cody Cleveland)? It's no one's fault, no one is to blame, but it's the fact of the matter that it happens.

 

There is no such problem when it comes to individual tournaments. Many people want the team scores to be done away with at the traditional tournament. I think that it would be best to keep them and place the teams according to divisions.

 

You are also disregarding the fact that DI schools must first qualify for their region dual tournament then win that tournament (the way it was a few years ago, at least, not for sure how it goes now) to appear at the state duals. I'm not sure how DII schools in the tournament is decided.

 

For future reference, turn the pompous and arrogant attitude down if you don't want to sound like the stereotypical DII supporter. If that's what you're shooting for, however, then well done.

 

 

This sounds like more D1 cherry picking. you want to compete together at some levels but not at others. You continue to draw on the example that D2 schools can take kids from anywhere (as if they had a choice to do otherwise) but wont look at the fact the average enrollment of D1 schools is much higher, giving them a larger pool of potential kids to pull from.

 

So far as qualifying for the duals, D2 schools dont go through a tournament. But how many of the D1 schools in the duals would be there if the current D2 schools were included? The regular season records of D1 schools against D2 schools doesnt look that good.

[Raider76]

considering that at the catholic tournament whitaker lost to a mediocre jordan harless, and johnson tech falled harless, I believe that johnson could dispatch whitaker fairly quickly.

Whitaker pinned the Cleveland kid who got 2nd at d-1.

[mofo11]

D-1 schools can pull kids too and they do....take for instance maryville..any kid can attend maryville high school if they want, all they have to do is pay like a 1000 something dollars for transfering to a school they are not zoned for. i know many kids transfering all the time from one school to another. In knoxville some parents will just buy/rent a house or apartment in the school zone and send the kid there. For schools like maryville and oak ridge in counties outside of knoxville i see them no different then any other private schools they can take kids out of knoxville if they want plus these high schools have pretty good academics on par with some private schools.