Tonights 10A 1st rounds games .....any predictions ?

[CoachF]

Congratulations to Coach Ross and his McEwen team.

[lawdog]

Doesn't surprise some of us here if Petrone acted unprofessional at the end of the game. I wasn't there but if what you say is true its unfortunate for the players and the fans of WHH for their coach to disrespect McEwen players that way. Again, I wasn't there to see it so I would love to hear from others who were, what exactly happened at the end and actually what happened during the game. How did McEwen beat this WHH team, just curious here, both teams are good and McEwen is playing their best ball at the right time now.

 

McEwen played a great game last night. Their defense was suffocating. I was sitting with a TSSAA referee and when he saw the officiating crew before the game he mentioned that it was a good crew. I knew then that they wouldn't let the trash get out of hand. 7-5 WHH @ end of 1st quarter and 20-20 @ half. This from 2 teams that can score. In the 2nd half McEwen turned it up and WHH could not respond. In the 1st half Petrone put in some deep subs in an apparent attempt to muscle up against McEwen, but the McEwen kids did great jobs of controlling their emotions. Even though WHH tried in the 1st half it went nowhere and in the 2nd half WHH looked lost. Without Slagle leading the way, WHH didn't know how to respond. Not sure how much difference Slagle would have made though, he only scored 9 points against McEwen in their first 2 games. I think the real difference with Slagle is he turns up the heat on the trash talking and the remainder of their starters feed off it.

 

If you can keep your emotions in check with WHH and they cannot see that they are getting to you, it then starts upsetting them. Last night when the muscle failed they started bickering a little in their own huddle. If they ever see they can get to you, then it's game on and they turn trash talking into a whole new experience.

 

Petrone was funny lat night. It seemed like towards the end of the 3rd quarter of the game, both teams knew the outcome. Petrone started looking at his watch about half way through the third quarter and I noticed him several times checking his watch as the score spread. Did not appear in the gym that he shook hands with McEwen players. I think the McEwen coach stuck a hand out and almost forced him to shake.

 

It's a shame that a coach can't see what he is doing to District 10A and what he his teaching some young kids. Out of 8 other teams in 10A, apparently none of the other coaches like him and everyone seems to agree that he teaches dirty basketball. It's not school wide up there however because there girls seem to play hard and with a lot of class. It's unfortunate because he appears to know basketball very well and his kids are very good players. If they would leave the attitudes at home they would be an even better team. They have great talent but sometimes that's not enough when all of the other junk gets in the way and does things like cost you one of your leaders for the district tournament. Good luck to all in District and Region play!

[naismith3]

Thank you so much, Lawdog, for your play by play of the game last night. Obviously you are a McEwen fan. I would just like to know how you know so much about the game. First of all, the reason the deep subs were played is because our starters and first off the bench got in foul trouble. Those kids are not used as "muscle". I had to laugh when I read your post. Next, sure, it hurt without Slagle in the game but to say we didn't know where to go is crazy! And bickering in the huddle? Where were you sitting? On the bench? Our boys never showed any bickering amongst themselves. And furthermore to say that the other coaches don't like Coach Petrone, who cares? I dare say there has never been so much written about any other coach. And who likes Carlisle? Only Jo byrns. Who likes Charlie Anderson? not me. Probably only the folks from NCS. And the other coaches are such unknowns that most people, including me, don't even know their names. Also don't say Petrone is teaching dirty basketball. You have never been in a practice, and probably never been at a game before. I am so sick of all of the negative talk that I could scream. Please stop the trashing of Heritage and the Coach. We are finished with our season and it only hurts the kids who read this. I hope this subject is over.

[Voldad]

McEwen played a great game last night. Their defense was suffocating. I was sitting with a TSSAA referee and when he saw the officiating crew before the game he mentioned that it was a good crew. I knew then that they wouldn't let the trash get out of hand. 7-5 WHH @ end of 1st quarter and 20-20 @ half. This from 2 teams that can score. In the 2nd half McEwen turned it up and WHH could not respond. In the 1st half Petrone put in some deep subs in an apparent attempt to muscle up against McEwen, but the McEwen kids did great jobs of controlling their emotions. Even though WHH tried in the 1st half it went nowhere and in the 2nd half WHH looked lost. Without Slagle leading the way, WHH didn't know how to respond. Not sure how much difference Slagle would have made though, he only scored 9 points against McEwen in their first 2 games. I think the real difference with Slagle is he turns up the heat on the trash talking and the remainder of their starters feed off it.

 

If you can keep your emotions in check with WHH and they cannot see that they are getting to you, it then starts upsetting them. Last night when the muscle failed they started bickering a little in their own huddle. If they ever see they can get to you, then it's game on and they turn trash talking into a whole new experience.

 

Petrone was funny lat night. It seemed like towards the end of the 3rd quarter of the game, both teams knew the outcome. Petrone started looking at his watch about half way through the third quarter and I noticed him several times checking his watch as the score spread. Did not appear in the gym that he shook hands with McEwen players. I think the McEwen coach stuck a hand out and almost forced him to shake.

 

It's a shame that a coach can't see what he is doing to District 10A and what he his teaching some young kids. Out of 8 other teams in 10A, apparently none of the other coaches like him and everyone seems to agree that he teaches dirty basketball. It's not school wide up there however because there girls seem to play hard and with a lot of class. It's unfortunate because he appears to know basketball very well and his kids are very good players. If they would leave the attitudes at home they would be an even better team. They have great talent but sometimes that's not enough when all of the other junk gets in the way and does things like cost you one of your leaders for the district tournament. Good luck to all in District and Region play!

 

Good post lawdog, thanks for the report. Those of us who were not at the game are looking for information regarding what happened last night. You seem to be the only one so far that is able to give us that insight. Thanks again and would welcome any further comments on this game or district 10A you might have for us.

[NCSbballfan05]

Thank you so much, Lawdog, for your play by play of the game last night. Obviously you are a McEwen fan. I would just like to know how you know so much about the game. First of all, the reason the deep subs were played is because our starters and first off the bench got in foul trouble. Those kids are not used as "muscle". I had to laugh when I read your post. Next, sure, it hurt without Slagle in the game but to say we didn't know where to go is crazy! And bickering in the huddle? Where were you sitting? On the bench? Our boys never showed any bickering amongst themselves. And furthermore to say that the other coaches don't like Coach Petrone, who cares? I dare say there has never been so much written about any other coach. And who likes Carlisle? Only Jo byrns. Who likes Charlie Anderson? not me. Probably only the folks from NCS. And the other coaches are such unknowns that most people, including me, don't even know their names. Also don't say Petrone is teaching dirty basketball. You have never been in a practice, and probably never been at a game before. I am so sick of all of the negative talk that I could scream. Please stop the trashing of Heritage and the Coach. We are finished with our season and it only hurts the kids who read this. I hope this subject is over.

Look man, I agree that not many people like Carlisle. However, you can't make the assumption that not many people like Charlie Anderson. To be completely honest, being as a graduate of NCS, he's not my favorite coach either, but you cannot argue with his numbers as a coach. He's admired throughout the state as being a great coach, and as a great teacher of the game. As far as I can see, he doesn't really give anyone any reason not to think highly of him, unless you count lossing a reason.

 

Now, good luck to the remaining teams in the district, and good luck in the region as well!!!

[Voldad]

First naismith3, I am a basketball fan and parent of a young child, not a McEwen player, that loves basketball. Your are right, I have never been at a practice, but over the past 2-3 years I have seen several WHH games (more than 10) and anyone who can say that those kids don't play with a bad attitude is blinded by bias. I love kids that play hard and are a little cocky and understand that basketball can be physical, but anything beyond that is uncalled for and unacceptable in my opinion. Unfortunately if you talk to most other people around 10A they agree that night in, night out, WHH tends to play dirty and definitely talks more trash than anyone else. After a couple of years of that happening, it is my experience both coaching and playing multiple sports for many years, that type of thing comes from the top. Again, Tyler Slagle received a technical at WHH in the 1st McEwen game, in the 2nd game @ McEwen he throws a punch at a player and, fortunately for WHH, is not ejected. Against East Literature he gets 2 technical fouls, the 2nd for unsportsmanlike (throwing a ball at another player) and is ejected thus missing the McEwen game. Those are just a few examples. Jared Hill also a great trash talker. That being said, WHH has 3-4 great players and are a very good team, but you lose a lot of what you have when you let the other crap take over your game. When you cannot control your emotions to the point of getting ejected or constantly getting teed up then there is a problem. It's very easy to stop by having some discipline as a coach. Coach Petrone could stop a lot of that by sitting players when that type of thing happens. But by not doing anything and allowing it, the players get worse. This year it cost him one of his best players for the District and as a result they are through for the year.

 

As for WHH being in foul trouble that is not totally true, they only had 6 1st half fouls. Travis Doty did have 3 of those, but no one else was in any trouble. Furthermore, Dallas Harshaw came off the bench 1st who I would say, as a senior, has seen little to no action this year or in the past years when I have seen WHH. Furthermore when he came in he almost immediately dove into a scrum on the floor and had to be separated as it was getting physical in the pile. Again, the referees did a good job of making sure this game stayed on track. Granted in the 2nd half WHH did get in some foul trouble.

 

Secondly, I didn't say that WHH didn't know where to go, I said "they looked lost" and that without Tyler Slagle "they didn't know how to respond." If you watched the same 2nd half as me, WHH appeared to be out of sorts and unsure of how to respond. As for bickering, in the 3rd quarter when it started going south for WHH, Petrone called a time out and as WHH entered the huddle they were plainly arguing with one another.

 

As for liking Coach Petrone, it is a good thing that neither your or anyone else at WHH cares, because it is a fact district wide. When other 10A teams play the coaches at least have casual conversation before the game. However, when WHH boys come to town no one speaks to him. I have never seen Coach Anderson or Coach Carlisle act like jerks before, during or after the game. They are obviously intense as most coaches are, but they teach the game just like Coach Ross and the other 10A coaches.

If I where the WHH boys, I would be sick of the negative talk also. But there comes a time when everyone is saying something negative that maybe, just maybe, there is something to it. It has been my experience over the years that when you have to get so defensive all the time there comes a time that you need to look in the mirror. I personally did not trash WHH. If you will reread the post, I said " It's not school wide up there however because their girls seem to play hard and with a lot of class." The WHH girls are going to be a great team and their girls pay hard and don't appear to act any way but proper. It is the boys team that gets all of the negative talk, and not just from one team in 10A, but district wide. Think about that. I hope they get it together and act like they should and they could go places next year, but as long as they let all that other junk take place they will be limited in how far they can go and will be subject to the negative comments. Good luck to East Lit, East Robertson, NCS and McEwen.

 

Great post, that pretty much covers it all for me. If you read that post it explains the issues without prejudice and gives advice on how to fix the problem. Good approach and advice, hope the people that need to, take it and apply it during the off-season and work on doing it differently next year. Nothing else to be said as far as I am concerned here. Again, thanks for such a thought out rational response to the craziness surrounding this team and their season.

[lawdog]

Look man, I agree that not many people like Carlisle. However, you can't make the assumption that not many people like Charlie Anderson. To be completely honest, being as a graduate of NCS, he's not my favorite coach either, but you cannot argue with his numbers as a coach. He's admired throughout the state as being a great coach, and as a great teacher of the game. As far as I can see, he doesn't really give anyone any reason not to think highly of him, unless you count lossing a reason.

 

Now, good luck to the remaining teams in the district, and good luck in the region as well!!!

 

First naismith3, I am a basketball fan and parent of a young child, not a McEwen player, that loves basketball. You are right, I have never been at a practice, but over the past 2-3 years I have seen several WHH games more than 10) and anyone who can say that those kids don't play with a bad attitude is blinded by bias. I love kids that play hard and are a little cocky and understand that basketball can be physical, but anything beyond that is uncalled for and unacceptable in my opinion. Unfortunately if you talk to most other people around 10A they agree that night in, night out, WHH tends to play dirty and definitely talks more trash than anyone else. After a couple of years of that happening, it is my experience both coaching and playing multiple sports for many years, that type of thing comes from the top. Again, Tyler Slagle received a technical at WHH in the 1st McEwen game, in the 2nd game @ McEwen he throws a punch at a player and, fortunately for WHH, is not ejected. Against East Literature he gets 2 technical fouls, the 2nd for unsportsmanlike (throwing a ball at another player) and is ejected thus missing the McEwen game. Those are just a few examples. Jared Hill also a great trash talker. That being said, WHH has 3-4 great players and they are a very good team, but you lose a lot of what you have when you let the other crap take over your game. When you cannot control your emotions to the point of getting ejected or constantly getting teed up then there is a problem. It's very easy to stop by having some discipline as a coach. Coach Petrone could stop a lot of that by sitting players when that type of thing happens. But by not doing anything and allowing it, the players get worse. This year it cost him one of his best players for the District and as a result they are through for the year.

 

As for WHH being in foul trouble that is not totally true, they only had 6 1st half fouls. Travis Doty did have 3 of those, but no one else was in any trouble. Furthermore, Dallas Harshaw came off the bench 1st, who I would say, as a senior, has seen little to no action this year or in the past years when I have seen WHH. Furthermore when he came in he almost immediately dove into a scrum on the floor and had to be separated as it was getting physical in the pile. Again, the referees did a good job of making sure this game stayed on track. Granted in the 2nd half WHH did get in some foul trouble.

 

Secondly, I didn't say that WHH didn't know where to go, I said "they looked lost" and that without Tyler Slagle "they didn't know how to respond." If you watched the same 2nd half as me, WHH appeared to be out of sorts and unsure of how to respond. As for bickering, in the 3rd quarter when it started going south for WHH, Petrone called a time out and as WHH entered the huddle they were plainly arguing with one another.

 

As for liking Coach Petrone, it is a good thing that neither your or anyone else at WHH cares, because it is a fact district wide. When other 10A teams play the coaches at least have casual conversation before the game. However, when WHH boys come to town no one speaks to him. I have never seen Coach Anderson or Coach Carlisle act like jerks before, during or after the game. They are obviously intense as most coaches are, but they teach the game just like Coach Ross and the other 10A coaches.

 

If I were the WHH boys, I would be sick of the negative talk also. But there comes a time when everyone is saying something negative that maybe, just maybe, there is something to it. It has been my experience over the years that when you have to get so defensive all the time there comes a time that you need to look in the mirror. I personally did not trash WHH. If you will reread the post, I said " It's not school wide up there however because their girls seem to play hard and with a lot of class." The WHH girls are going to be a great team and their girls pay hard and don't appear to act any way but proper. It is the boys team that gets all of the negative talk, and not just from one team in 10A, but district wide. Think about that. I hope they get it together and act like they should and they could go places next year, but as long as they let all that other junk take place they will be limited in how far they can go and will be subject to the negative comments. Good luck to East Lit, East Robertson, NCS and McEwen.

[tdawg27]

I think ncs has a good chance they just put out east lit. with a last second shot to win. so i think there is a good chance for NCS.

[ROCKMAN]

First naismith3, I am a basketball fan and parent of a young child, not a McEwen player, that loves basketball. You are right, I have never been at a practice, but over the past 2-3 years I have seen several WHH games more than 10) and anyone who can say that those kids don't play with a bad attitude is blinded by bias. I love kids that play hard and are a little cocky and understand that basketball can be physical, but anything beyond that is uncalled for and unacceptable in my opinion. Unfortunately if you talk to most other people around 10A they agree that night in, night out, WHH tends to play dirty and definitely talks more trash than anyone else. After a couple of years of that happening, it is my experience both coaching and playing multiple sports for many years, that type of thing comes from the top. Again, Tyler Slagle received a technical at WHH in the 1st McEwen game, in the 2nd game @ McEwen he throws a punch at a player and, fortunately for WHH, is not ejected. Against East Literature he gets 2 technical fouls, the 2nd for unsportsmanlike (throwing a ball at another player) and is ejected thus missing the McEwen game. Those are just a few examples. Jared Hill also a great trash talker. That being said, WHH has 3-4 great players and they are a very good team, but you lose a lot of what you have when you let the other crap take over your game. When you cannot control your emotions to the point of getting ejected or constantly getting teed up then there is a problem. It's very easy to stop by having some discipline as a coach. Coach Petrone could stop a lot of that by sitting players when that type of thing happens. But by not doing anything and allowing it, the players get worse. This year it cost him one of his best players for the District and as a result they are through for the year.

 

As for WHH being in foul trouble that is not totally true, they only had 6 1st half fouls. Travis Doty did have 3 of those, but no one else was in any trouble. Furthermore, Dallas Harshaw came off the bench 1st, who I would say, as a senior, has seen little to no action this year or in the past years when I have seen WHH. Furthermore when he came in he almost immediately dove into a scrum on the floor and had to be separated as it was getting physical in the pile. Again, the referees did a good job of making sure this game stayed on track. Granted in the 2nd half WHH did get in some foul trouble.

 

Secondly, I didn't say that WHH didn't know where to go, I said "they looked lost" and that without Tyler Slagle "they didn't know how to respond." If you watched the same 2nd half as me, WHH appeared to be out of sorts and unsure of how to respond. As for bickering, in the 3rd quarter when it started going south for WHH, Petrone called a time out and as WHH entered the huddle they were plainly arguing with one another.

 

As for liking Coach Petrone, it is a good thing that neither your or anyone else at WHH cares, because it is a fact district wide. When other 10A teams play the coaches at least have casual conversation before the game. However, when WHH boys come to town no one speaks to him. I have never seen Coach Anderson or Coach Carlisle act like jerks before, during or after the game. They are obviously intense as most coaches are, but they teach the game just like Coach Ross and the other 10A coaches.

 

If I were the WHH boys, I would be sick of the negative talk also. But there comes a time when everyone is saying something negative that maybe, just maybe, there is something to it. It has been my experience over the years that when you have to get so defensive all the time there comes a time that you need to look in the mirror. I personally did not trash WHH. If you will reread the post, I said " It's not school wide up there however because their girls seem to play hard and with a lot of class." The WHH girls are going to be a great team and their girls pay hard and don't appear to act any way but proper. It is the boys team that gets all of the negative talk, and not just from one team in 10A, but district wide. Think about that. I hope they get it together and act like they should and they could go places next year, but as long as they let all that other junk take place they will be limited in how far they can go and will be subject to the negative comments. Good luck to East Lit, East Robertson, NCS and McEwen.

THE KID OFF THE BENCH WAS JOEY MCCLUNG NOT DALLAS HARSHAW AND HE IS A SOPHMORE. GOOD LUCK TO EVERY ONE IN 10A IN THE PLAY OFFS.

[patriotsb-ballplaya]

yea mcewen yall got lucky we will always be better than yall at basketball no matter what yall arent anything without pukett he was yalls whole team last year.yall r luck slagle didnt play thats the only reason yall won.just wait till next year yall have another thing coming at yall so be ready.yall need to quit talkin bout petrone hes the best coach youll ever met and best coach you could have.im sure he shaked yalls hands yall are just trying to get crap started and whats the big deal if he didnt?we have the best players in the district i mean come on.so just be ready for next year.

[lawdog]

yea mcewen yall got lucky we will always be better than yall at basketball no matter what yall arent anything without pukett he was yalls whole team last year.yall r luck slagle didnt play thats the only reason yall won.just wait till next year yall have another thing coming at yall so be ready.yall need to quit talkin bout petrone hes the best coach youll ever met and best coach you could have.im sure he shaked yalls hands yall are just trying to get crap started and whats the big deal if he didnt?we have the best players in the district i mean come on.so just be ready for next year.

 

 

patriotsb-ballplaya,

 

You just proved the point that everyone has been making. Your nonsensical response shows everyone why WHH catches so much negativity in District 10A. You may have the best players in 10A, though I don't think so, but you were sitting home after round 1. Instead there are 4 other teams starting Region play tonight, including McEwen. You are reliving last year with McEwen when they had Daniel Puckett, a great player, but without him they still ended your season. If you would put some reasoning into your thought process, you would understand that Tyler Slagle did not play because he cannot control himself on the basketball court. Again, WHH plays how they are taught.

 

Coach Petrone obviously knows X's and O's but it takes more than that to be a good team. I would suspect that WHH will have a very good team next year. Again, I hope they can straighten out their attitudes and they could probably go a long way. But if they continue to let their mouths override their actions, their team will be limited. Good luck to 10A in Region play.

[East High CheerCpt.]

yea mcewen yall got lucky we will always be better than yall at basketball no matter what yall arent anything without pukett he was yalls whole team last year.yall r luck slagle didnt play thats the only reason yall won.just wait till next year yall have another thing coming at yall so be ready.yall need to quit talkin bout petrone hes the best coach youll ever met and best coach you could have.im sure he shaked yalls hands yall are just trying to get crap started and whats the big deal if he didnt?we have the best players in the district i mean come on.so just be ready for next year.

 

Why is it that Heritage always wines about losing, and says their better than the team they just lost to? You all have very athletic boys on the team, however they let their emotions play not thier skills, which is why you got third in regular season and got kicked out of district tournaments before they ever really started. Maybe one day you will learn from your mistakes and grow from it. If you wish to continue playing the way you do, I'm not sure how far trash talking and ejections will get you.