Hose Job on Warrior Hill last night

[screenandroll]

There is not a school that hasn't had a problem with the clock operator at one time or another. A lot schools are known for their "homer" operators. If someone wasn't a "homer" bet they wouldn't be running the clock for long. Not saying anyone would do it on purpose but has anyone heard of a "visitor" operator. Not me. People make mistakes. Opertors are people, refs are people (well most of them), coaches are people and the players are people. All of these are important factors that determine the outcome of a game. Not one but all. In the HV game, what about the missed foul shots by Elizabethton, the missed lay-ups, the poor defense. All this comes into play. Not one single event determines the final score but the combination of many. Put the blame on where it belongs, the people.

[acdcfan]

I was there watching with my eye on the clock as well as the player. I honestly believe he got it off. There was no two dribble. There was no turn, pause and shoot.

 

Yes, the clock keeping was bad, plain bad at spots during the game. Did it have an effect in the final outcome? In my humble, honest opinion - NO. I actually think there should have been two more seconds on the clock based on mistakes made earlier in the game. There will always be that out, and I hate to be a butt about this, but this grand theft stuff about Friday has got to stop! I heard whining and moaning about it today from people who kept arguing the two-dribble thing. Even when I mentioned today -- check out the video!

 

Will any of us ever see a shot like that again? Probably not. Was it legit? Yes it was. Am I saying that it was legit because I'm caught up in the moment and blind to seeing just him making that shot? He** no. If it were a player from the orange team making the shot and the gripes coming from the maroon side, I'd say the same thing.

 

I just hate it that Jake Hodge hits this awesome shot. The shot of his life. And instead of celebrating what he did, there's the dribble case. I knew Friday night that he did not dribble that ball. Anybody who truly watched him Friday night knew he did not dribble that ball. Seeing video evidence Saturday, my view was confirmed.

 

With that said. I was relieved to get on here and read some of you saying that people should look at other stuff with reference to the outcome of the game. The free throws, defense, etc.

 

I just don't think folks should diminish what a kid did. In the offseason, if we're not happy with clock operaters - And trust me there are more than a handful people should look at - lets write columns, let's petition the TSSAA to have officials doing that job. We have these officials that ref JV games. Why can't one of them stay to do one game and have the other ref do the other game, or one do both?

[CycloneFan]

You know acdc is right. The kid, Jake Hodge, made an outstanding play which should not be diminished. He won the game with a sportscenter type shot.

 

The clock operator issue has been brewing on warrior hill for quite some time, as a number of people on here have confirmed. Who knows how much time should have been on the clock?

Nobody. It was that screwy all night long, all the way up to the end. I personally do not think HV got its TO called before the clock went to 0.0. But the officials ruled they had and put 0.6 on the clock and Jake Hodge made the most of it. Great job by that young man. I still cannot understand why EHS didnt have someone on the ball on the throw in. Seemed they were all standing around, afraid to foul. Oh well, its been a disappointing year for the EHS boys team, and the ending to this game cements that fact even further.

[scoremore]

just go to wjhl sports and watch the replay and put it all to rest

[itzme]

One other thing to remember is that the clock keeper is not supposed to anticipate any signal from the ref. They cannot start the clock until the ref clearly signals. I've got no chips in this game, but in watching the replay, the basket was legit

[FridayMainEvent]

Speaking of "hose jobs".... Did anyone see the Lady Vols game against Rutgers last night? I was embarrassed as a Vol fan by what went on in that game. Rutgers played their tail off and with time running out, the Lady Vols missed a shot, got the offensive rebound, missed the put back, and then got the rebound. At this moment, the Clock clearly paused on .2 seconds at which time a Rutgers player fouled the rebounder then the clock restarted and time ran out. If their was no pause of the clock, the foul was clearly after time should of already expired. The Ref's reviewed the footage and determined there was still .2 seconds on the clock when the foul occured.... NO DUH, the clock had stopped!!! I am the biggest diehard UT fan around, but I felt terrible for the Rutgers players because they had that game stolen from them by a pathetic time keeper and a worse officiating crew.

[Melton07]

Speaking of "hose jobs".... Did anyone see the Lady Vols game against Rutgers last night? I was embarrassed as a Vol fan by what went on in that game. Rutgers played their tail off and with time running out, the Lady Vols missed a shot, got the offensive rebound, missed the put back, and then got the rebound. At this moment, the Clock clearly paused on .2 seconds at which time a Rutgers player fouled the rebounder then the clock restarted and time ran out. If their was no pause of the clock, the foul was clearly after time should of already expired. The Ref's reviewed the footage and determined there was still .2 seconds on the clock when the foul occured.... NO DUH, the clock had stopped!!! I am the biggest diehard UT fan around, but I felt terrible for the Rutgers players because they had that game stolen from them by a pathetic time keeper and a worse officiating crew.

 

 

 

 

I agreed Rutgers got hosed !!!

 

However, I don't know if there is any rule in place that would allow them (officials) to fix the timing issue. They have no timing device to determine the amount of time that expired. They must have definite knowledge that the time expired. I think that a case book play is needed for this situation where the clock stops when it should not and a video monitor is available for the officials. The officials need a timer (on the monitor) that is external from the game clock that continues to run. This would allow them to fix this play.

 

My two cents - Tennessee committed hwy robery !!

[FridayMainEvent]

I agreed Rutgers got hosed !!!

 

However, I don't know if there is any rule in place that would allow them (officials) to fix the timing issue. They have no timing device to determine the amount of time that expired. They must have definite knowledge that the time expired. I think that a case book play is needed for this situation where the clock stops when it should not and a video monitor is available for the officials. The officials need a timer (on the monitor) that is external from the game clock that continues to run. This would allow them to fix this play.

 

My two cents - Tennessee committed hwy robery !!

 

I did a little more reading and apparently the SEC and other major conferences equip the Ref.'s with some type of remote device which automatically stops the clock at the sound of a whistle. That appears to be the excuse being used. The only problem I have with this is that is you watch the video, the Ref under the goal clearly signals the foul after the clock has delayed then restarted. Anyway, doubt that anything will be done, but I don't like to ever see my team get a victory they did not earn.

[robjim]

I did a little more reading and apparently the SEC and other major conferences equip the Ref.'s with some type of remote device which automatically stops the clock at the sound of a whistle. That appears to be the excuse being used. The only problem I have with this is that is you watch the video, the Ref under the goal clearly signals the foul after the clock has delayed then restarted. Anyway, doubt that anything will be done, but I don't like to ever see my team get a victory they did not earn.

 

 

The officials have a device that is connected to the whistle that tracks the air being blown out, not the sound of the whistle. Keeps the device from picking up whistles in the stands. If you watch early college games, you'll see the clock stop often, as the officials are not to speed on being in shape and the huffing and puffing will set it off.

[Stokomo]

Hats off for a great shot at the end of the game. That one play did not beat the Cyclones. There is a saying that a road team must beat the home team by 20 to win by 2. In my years of playing and coaching, I have seen a lot of situations. There have been officials who have sons or nephews playing in the same game they call, or refs played ball for the school in which they are calling. Things are going to happen that are out of your control. I do agree that during tourney time, there needs to be an official keeping the clock and official book. JV and Frosh seasons are over now and it would do the younger guys good to see some action and get paid. But to say that someone got hosed? A team should not be in position to have that happen. When it does happen.....you have to go back and look at the whole game and see what a team DID NOT capitalize on and put themselves in that position. It's like trying to say that an individual player cost a team the game. You win and lose as a team. Why do you think that the NFL has instant replay, and sometimes still does not get the right call. We are human and humans are going to make mistakes, to the dismay of some. High school sports is the last "raw" entertainment game without technology and replays. If you want devices to control the game, then be prepared to spend about $45-$60 bucks to see these games (that's what it costs to see the LadyVols) to help pay for the added technology. This is the time of year where everyday 10-20% of teams across the state are calling it a season, and this game was not the only game that had it's share of controversy, and I assure you that this thread will not be the only one talking about how a team or school got hosed. At the end of the day, a lot of hard work and LUCK goes into a State Champion!!! GOD BLESS and good luck to all!!!!!

[FridayMainEvent]

The officials have a device that is connected to the whistle that tracks the air being blown out, not the sound of the whistle. Keeps the device from picking up whistles in the stands. If you watch early college games, you'll see the clock stop often, as the officials are not to speed on being in shape and the huffing and puffing will set it off.

 

 

That makes sense. I'm glad I'm not responsible for running up and down the floor with one of those whistles in my mouth. It'd take about 6 hours to play a game..... /roflolk.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflolk:" border="0" alt="roflolk.gif" />

[robjim]

That makes sense. I'm glad I'm not responsible for running up and down the floor with one of those whistles in my mouth. It'd take about 6 hours to play a game..... /roflolk.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflolk:" border="0" alt="roflolk.gif" />

 

 

Yeah, me too, Cascade. I think I can get us a deal on a couple of pairs of roller-skates. /roflol.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":roflol:" border="0" alt="roflol.gif" />