Antwan Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 It matters if you are a basketball player. I agree with your premise on 3 classes in basketball, but I will point out that 350 is actually a Class A enrollment and 1167 is AAA.....that is a difference. Jackson Northside is no longer in AA. You won't have to worry about being in the same district with them. I still don't think it's as much of a factor. Some of the best teams in the state are not AAA schools. The same can be said for softball and baseball. Like I said...we only have 3 classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asitis Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I was directly involved with baseball and softball for many years. We were in the same region with David Lipscomb...and lost to them twice in the region. I didn't think a thing about it. With only 3 classes...it was not a factor. We went toe to toe with AAA and DII schools also. I didn't say the size of the school does not matter especially for football. It clearly does. What I did say was that we were chastised for moving up to play much larger schools than us. We did not want to be in the same region with Goodpasture and David Lipscomb. It was not because we couldn't compete. They are much smaller schools than the ones in our region. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you said the size of the school did not matter in other sports, except FB? At least that is the way I read it. I just disagree, that is all. Everyone can sight as many personal experiences as they want, I just think it matters as much if not more. That is my opinion. One or two players do not make a football team, yet 2 out of 5 D1 prospects in BB can make all the difference in the world. Take Harding Academy in D2 football and St. George's in D2 BB. Night and day? Why would you be chastised for moving up and playing larger schools? Were you chastised by the schools that you used to beat or the opposite? There seems to be an outcry from some of the publics (not you, just making a differenct point) now that several privates have jumped to D2. That's confusing to me. Is that not what everyone wanted or is this more about "who do we schedule for homecoming now"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asitis Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 It matters if you are a basketball player. I agree with your premise on 3 classes in basketball, but I will point out that 350 is actually a Class A enrollment and 1167 is AAA.....that is a difference. I'll tell you another place it matters. Choosing from 350 kids, you end up with the entire boy's team (minus a couple) playing football. What are they going to do if the football teams makes it a couple of rounds into the playoffs and there is an overlap. Not sure if they have ever had to deal with that situation before. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asitis Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Some of the best teams in the state are not AAA schools. You are correct. They are AA.....and all in the same Z-plan proposed Jackson area district! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redog Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I was just wondering if a AA public school that could not compete with the Alcoa's, David Liscomb's etc... could go DII small if they fell in that division? Never heard this discussed. Could a Divison II go back to DI if they stop giving financial support? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollredroll Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Could a Divison II go back to DI if they stop giving financial support? Yes. Goodpasture did it years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckLateral Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 I didn't say the size of the school does not matter especially for football. It clearly does. What I did say was that we were chastised for moving up to play much larger schools than us. We did not want to be in the same region with Goodpasture and David Lipscomb. It was not because we couldn't compete. They are much smaller schools than the ones in our region. Antwan: Your post begs a question. Why did you not want to be in the same region with Goodpasture and Lipscomb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksgovols Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Voluntary or involuntary yields the same result. Why were we chastised for the move up? We supposedly avoided GP and DL even though they were not any better than several in our 3a region. LA took DL to the woodshed the next year. They were nowhere near as good as the year before. You didn't answer the question. At what point does the size of the school matter? Depends upon the sport, but I'd say that in football, somewhere around 1200 seems to be the number where enrollment doesn't matter. Some of that has to do with where the 1200 are coming from. If you take 1200 kids from urban areas, you have a pretty good chance of having a nice percentage of athletic kids to choose from. If you take a county school with 1200 kids, you are still going to have a nice percentage of athletic kids and kids with size. If you are a rural county with 600 kids, that percentage goes down proportionately and you have to look at how many kids will it take to field a team and depth can become an issue. If I can make the circle from which I'm drawing kids for my pool 3 times larger, then my odds of 'attracting' better football players increases. I am one that does think it's a mathematical equation, though I have no idea what the 'multiplier' might be. In basketball where one stud can make a huge difference or baseball, where a pitcher can really influence the game, then the multiplier is smaller if not non-existent. In football, where you need 5-6 big linemen minimum, 5-6 skilled players minimum and the rest are just filling holes it makes a difference. The odds of having 6 out of 300 boys in your school that are 250 lbs plus that are also wanting to play football is a lot less than a pool twice that size or a pool where 5 or 6 of those kind of players would be 'attracted'. Same for the sub 4.5 40 guys. There's only so many of them around, but the odds get larger with every kid that is added to the pool. At some point the number of kids that it takes from a random pool is able to overcome the number of kids from a select pool, particularly with the travel and financial restrictions that limit the select pool to a degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antwan Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Antwan: Your post begs a question. Why did you not want to be in the same region with Goodpasture and Lipscomb? Gate was the biggest reason. Another...we didn't want to be in the same region with schools that could get players from all over the Nashville area. They had DI players...we had NAIA players at best. We didn't want to go to Nashville to play a region game. We would rather play Portland...Livingston...Macon...even though they are much larger than us. They also brought a huge gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antwan Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Correct me if I'm wrong, but you said the size of the school did not matter in other sports, except FB? At least that is the way I read it. I just disagree, that is all. Everyone can sight as many personal experiences as they want, I just think it matters as much if not more. That is my opinion. One or two players do not make a football team, yet 2 out of 5 D1 prospects in BB can make all the difference in the world. Take Harding Academy in D2 football and St. George's in D2 BB. Night and day? Why would you be chastised for moving up and playing larger schools? Were you chastised by the schools that you used to beat or the opposite? There seems to be an outcry from some of the publics (not you, just making a differenct point) now that several privates have jumped to D2. That's confusing to me. Is that not what everyone wanted or is this more about "who do we schedule for homecoming now"? I said it does not matter much. Perhaps I should say...it does not matter as much. As far as picking out schools....you could make an argument either way. Some small schools are very good in basketball...grils especially. Clarkrange and Jackson County can usually play with anybody. We were chastised by publics that didn't move up too...and privates we left behind. I think it's a good move for the privates to move to DII. The multiplier is no longer a factor. Scheduling should actually be easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asitis Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 I think it's a good move for the privates to move to DII. The multiplier is no longer a factor. Scheduling should actually be easier. I agree. I think it is best for everyone. I can't imagine what's left for either to complain about, yet I'm sure there will be something. I hope they can still compete against each other, although, some of the new proposed Z-plan districts around here had 9 or 10 teams in football. That will make it hard to schedule a lot of out of district games as I understand you have to play ALL teams in the district, be upper or lower half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antwan Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 I agree. I think it is best for everyone. I can't imagine what's left for either to complain about, yet I'm sure there will be something. I hope they can still compete against each other, although, some of the new proposed Z-plan districts around here had 9 or 10 teams in football. That will make it hard to schedule a lot of out of district games as I understand you have to play ALL teams in the district, be upper or lower half. Yeah...that's what it says. I think our district will consist of 7 teams. That will allow 4 non-district games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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