Sommers Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 2005-2014 favors D2 imo, but not 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beattheheat316 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Last year I believe that d2 was stronger state champ wise and may have only lost two matches if there was a dual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbg Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Based on current season results D1 wins 106 dec 126 + bonus pts 132 dec 145 dec 152 dec 285 dec Based on common opponents and rankings D1 probably wins 195 + bonus pts 220 dec Toss-Ups D1 probably wins at least one of these two 170 182 Who in D1 at 106 is going to beat Eli King. Did he not beat the #1 ranked & past state champion from Bradley up at 113? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbg Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 2005-2014 favors D2 imo, but not 2014. True Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beattheheat316 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 King is monster I saw him wrestle Toribio. No telling what he would do at 106... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlwest40 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Who in D1 at 106 is going to beat Eli King. Did he not beat the #1 ranked & past state champion from Bradley up at 113? I used current rankings to match up the top ranked wrestlers from each division. King was not mentioned in the rankings. I suppose if he makes the cut and gets to 106 and has success there as I'm sure he would then the rankings would be updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlwest40 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Last year I believe that d2 was stronger state champ wise and may have only lost two matches if there was a dual The topic was focused on this years match-ups since last years was discussed last year but if I remember correctly the top six weight classes 160-285 would have went to D1 last year plus 120 just to name some off the top of my head. It would have been closer last year than this year I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrstlnman Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 http://www.coacht.com/boards/index.php/topic/230288-ill-be-the-one-to-do-it-i-guess-d-1-vs-d-2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBrothers Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Times change. CBHS hasn't lost a dual to a team (public or private) from the Memphis area in about 9 years. Given the way they schedule, I think saying that they would shy away from combined region and state tournament for fear of competition is just silly. In that scenario they probably wouldn't send their entire team to the state tournament like they do under the current format. But to say that they wouldn't welcome a combined state tournament because they weren't finishing in top 4 of the region 20 years ago is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbg Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 It will never happen! It has been brought up in the past. DII schools will not go back to having only a couple of state place winners every year like it used to be. Having 14 kids qualify for the state tournament helps them from a financial stand point and makes parents happy. Think back when the state tournament was dominated by Overton, Cleveland, McGavock, Franklin, Bradley, Central, East Ridge, and Hixson. McCallie and Ryan were never on the map until the split and usually only had 3 or 4 kids even qualify for the state tournament. You had to place in the top four in your district to make it to the Region and then place in the top four in the region to make it to the State tournament. Only 4 kids placed in the state. You also only had 12 weight classes...so you only had 12 state champs and 48 total place winners. Now you'll have 42 state champs, and 252 state placers. Think about that...48 total place winners before and 252 NOW. More state place winners then there were Regional place winners in the past. Prior to the split only 192 kids even qualified for the state and now you have 252 "ALL-State" Sure Baylor had some tough teams, but when the tougher kids were knocking each "other off", you had to wrestle every match and everyone you wrestled in your bracket was tough, it was hard for them to compete with even East Ridge & Hixson (small school division). Wish it would happen but it won't! FYI 1970 Notre Dame 1971 Father Ryan 1972 East Ridge 1973 Hixon 1974 Father Ryan 1975 East Ridge 1976 McCallie 1977 Father Ryan 1978 Baylor 1979 Baylor 1980 Cleveland 1981 Baylor 1982 McCallie 1983 McCallie 1984 East Ridge 1985 East Ridge 1986 McCallie 1987 Father Ryan 1988 Father Ryan 1989 Franklin 1990 McCallie 1991 McCalie 1992 McCallie 1993 McCallie 1994 Cleveland 1995 Red Bank 1996 John Overton 1997 John Overton 1998 Split between D1 & D2 17 Private School State Championships & 11 Public School State Championships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlwest40 Posted January 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Since this turned into a history debate instead of gauging this year's teams here's some more information. If you go all the way back then its 17 championships for public schools and 20 championships for private schools before the split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbg Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Since this turned into a history debate instead of gauging this year's teams here's some more information. If you go all the way back then its 17 championships for public schools and 20 championships for private schools before the split. TD2 is the one that started the debate, really just throwing things against the wall without any data and hoping something would stick. One thing everyone needs to remember is that the public schools ask for the split and the public schools are the ones that can bring everyone back together. Lip service is cheap so let's see some action. Get the public schools to show some courage and vote to place everyone back together in one division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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