1A basketball

[UCSportsFan]

8 minutes ago, SpotOnSpreads said:

Did Chattanooga Prep lose a bunch of Seniors last year? I thought 2025 would be their first graduating class? I may be wrong which is why i'm inquiring... Hard to bet against a team that essentially mercy ruled their opponent last year in the title game...

No to my knowledge CHEAT Prep didn’t lose anyone. I just want them to get upset and have to travel to Pickett County for a substate game so they can get their clock cleaned in Byrdstown and send them to 2A next year. They belong in DivII or at a minimum 3A

[jvaughan]

Prep did not graduate anyone from last years team. This school year (24-25) is their first year to have seniors in the building. They did have a major player from last year transfer out (Gaines) but when you can control your enrollment in Division 1, especially 1A, that is a minor speed bump.

Edited February 14 by jvaughan

[SFsWildcat]

https://medium.com/makeamark/chattanooga-girls-leadership-academy-chattanooga-preparatory-school-a5777791c71d

Just x out of the window covering the story.

Interesting article about cheat prep. Sounds like they:

put their girl students in a building that shares a parking lot with the boys, so they can call them separate schools?

Share resources and staff AS IF THEY WERE THE SAME SCHOOL?

share a parking lot on the same campus?

Get to count their number of male students as one single A school and their girl students as a separate single A school.

Last year at the state tournament,  TSSAA allowed their "girls school"  to cheer for their boys basketball team.  

Sounds like they are the same school in pretty much every way except the one way that keeps them in 1A taking trophies away from small schools like Frank Hughes that get there once in a lifetime?

[jvaughan]

3 minutes ago, SFsWildcat said:

https://medium.com/makeamark/chattanooga-girls-leadership-academy-chattanooga-preparatory-school-a5777791c71d

Just x out of the window covering the story.

Interesting article about cheat prep. Sounds like they:

put their girl students in a building that shares a parking lot with the boys, so they can call them separate schools?

Share resources and staff AS IF THEY WERE THE SAME SCHOOL?

share a parking lot on the same campus?

Get to count their number of male students as one single A school and their girl students as a separate single A school.

Last year at the state tournament,  TSSAA allowed their "girls school"  to cheer for their boys basketball team.  

Sounds like they are the same school in pretty much every way except the one way that keeps them in 1A taking trophies away from small schools like Frank Hughes that get there once in a lifetime?

They are 2 "separate" schools with 2 separate principals so that's how they get past that. Being an all boys school, their enrollment is doubled. That is why they are being bumped to 2A for the next classification cycle. When the current cycle had numbers turned in their enrollment was doubled but they did not have a full 4 grade levels full so they were able to stay 1A.

[SFsWildcat]

They share staff.  They share a parking lot. They represent each other with cheerleading. Can you show that their enrollment if added back together would meet 1A requirements?  I believe, it didnt when i looked it up last spring.

Why don't any and all 4A schools just move their girls to a separate building and move down in classification and win trophies? What's really different about that vs CP?

 

Edited February 14 by SFsWildcat

[Yellowstone]

Pulling for the Bobcats of Pickett County 

[jvaughan]

1 hour ago, SFsWildcat said:

They share staff.  They share a parking lot. They represent each other with cheerleading. Can you show that their enrollment if added back together would meet 1A requirements?  I believe, it didnt when i looked it up last spring.

Why don't any and all 4A schools just move their girls to a separate building and move down in classification and win trophies? What's really different about that vs CP?

 

FWIW, I am on your side of the argument here. I've done plenty of research on their school and how it operates. I've long been against any school that can control its enrollment through a lottery or other "application process" being in the public school division. Regardless of how they get their funding, they get their students like they are a private school.

Now with that being said...

Here is the reported enrollment's from the fall that affect the 2025-2029 classification cycle. You'll see both Prep and the girls school on there with the indication of being doubled because they are single gender.

https://cms-files.tssaa.org/documents/tssaa/2024-25/enrollments-public-2024.html

Here is the reported enrollments from the fall of 2022 that affected the cycle we are currently in. It doesn't state that they were doubled that year. I can only assume they were not doubled that time because they were only at two grade levels in the high school? Not sure what happened there.

https://tssaa.org/2022-fall-enrollments

As far as the sharing of staff and facilities, I'm just stating how the TSSAA looks at it. They don't get into what you share. The only thing they are looking at is are you one "school". For example, like FH and SF are allowed to move 8th graders up to high school sports because they have one principal, or they are one "school" and places like Perry County can't. Linden Middle School and Perry County are side by side share a parking lot. But they have two separate principals. When schools are allowed to move 8th graders up, they don't have to report the 8th graders as part of their enrollment. Another example is the TSSAA doesn't add schools together for enrollment when they Co-op sports. 

In the end, again I don't think its right. But I wasn't asked when they made the decisions. As usual with the TSSAA, the little guys get overlooked. Until its a problem for the top 2/3 of the schools in the association, the problem isn't noticed. Maybe now that they are moving to 2A, "public" schools with an application process that can deny students from enrolling will get looked at as not playing by the same rules as actual public schools.

[UCSportsFan]

22 hours ago, jvaughan said:

FWIW, I am on your side of the argument here. I've done plenty of research on their school and how it operates. I've long been against any school that can control its enrollment through a lottery or other "application process" being in the public school division. Regardless of how they get their funding, they get their students like they are a private school.

Now with that being said...

Here is the reported enrollment's from the fall that affect the 2025-2029 classification cycle. You'll see both Prep and the girls school on there with the indication of being doubled because they are single gender.

https://cms-files.tssaa.org/documents/tssaa/2024-25/enrollments-public-2024.html

Here is the reported enrollments from the fall of 2022 that affected the cycle we are currently in. It doesn't state that they were doubled that year. I can only assume they were not doubled that time because they were only at two grade levels in the high school? Not sure what happened there.

https://tssaa.org/2022-fall-enrollments

As far as the sharing of staff and facilities, I'm just stating how the TSSAA looks at it. They don't get into what you share. The only thing they are looking at is are you one "school". For example, like FH and SF are allowed to move 8th graders up to high school sports because they have one principal, or they are one "school" and places like Perry County can't. Linden Middle School and Perry County are side by side share a parking lot. But they have two separate principals. When schools are allowed to move 8th graders up, they don't have to report the 8th graders as part of their enrollment. Another example is the TSSAA doesn't add schools together for enrollment when they Co-op sports. 

In the end, again I don't think its right. But I wasn't asked when they made the decisions. As usual with the TSSAA, the little guys get overlooked. Until its a problem for the top 2/3 of the schools in the association, the problem isn't noticed. Maybe now that they are moving to 2A, "public" schools with an application process that can deny students from enrolling will get looked at as not playing by the same rules as actual public schools.

This is exactly the same model that Tn Temple operated under before it got shut down. The Skogens ran the school basically and once their kids were gone it folded shortly thereafter. They even use the same buildings that Temple used. T$$AA needs to put this school in Div II or require they play at the 4A level. 

[tradertwo]

On 2/14/2025 at 12:32 PM, jvaughan said:

FWIW, I am on your side of the argument here. I've done plenty of research on their school and how it operates. I've long been against any school that can control its enrollment through a lottery or other "application process" being in the public school division. Regardless of how they get their funding, they get their students like they are a private school.

Now with that being said...

Here is the reported enrollment's from the fall that affect the 2025-2029 classification cycle. You'll see both Prep and the girls school on there with the indication of being doubled because they are single gender.

https://cms-files.tssaa.org/documents/tssaa/2024-25/enrollments-public-2024.html

Here is the reported enrollments from the fall of 2022 that affected the cycle we are currently in. It doesn't state that they were doubled that year. I can only assume they were not doubled that time because they were only at two grade levels in the high school? Not sure what happened there.

https://tssaa.org/2022-fall-enrollments

As far as the sharing of staff and facilities, I'm just stating how the TSSAA looks at it. They don't get into what you share. The only thing they are looking at is are you one "school". For example, like FH and SF are allowed to move 8th graders up to high school sports because they have one principal, or they are one "school" and places like Perry County can't. Linden Middle School and Perry County are side by side share a parking lot. But they have two separate principals. When schools are allowed to move 8th graders up, they don't have to report the 8th graders as part of their enrollment. Another example is the TSSAA doesn't add schools together for enrollment when they Co-op sports. 

In the end, again I don't think its right. But I wasn't asked when they made the decisions. As usual with the TSSAA, the little guys get overlooked. Until its a problem for the top 2/3 of the schools in the association, the problem isn't noticed. Maybe now that they are moving to 2A, "public" schools with an application process that can deny students from enrolling will get looked at as not playing by the same rules as actual public schools.

Valient effort, but most likely in vain. First post should have gotten through.

[toinemac]

8 hours ago, tradertwo said:

Valient effort, but most likely in vain. First post should have gotten through.

People only care about this stuff when it’s a school with a good team in the sport they care about. Almost every school system in the state has some sort of open enrollment policy. 

[jvaughan]

43 minutes ago, toinemac said:

People only care about this stuff when it’s a school with a good team in the sport they care about. Almost every school system in the state has some sort of open enrollment policy. 

I’m not talking about open enrollment. I’m talking about an admissions process that can turn students away. 

[tradertwo]

12 hours ago, jvaughan said:

I’m not talking about open enrollment. I’m talking about an admissions process that can turn students away. 

That's the only argument that I've ever made about this whole decades long complicated mess. We're not on a "level playing field" regardless of any other circumstances if you can deny a prospective student access and accept another...for any reason...period...end of discussion...mic drop.