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0-11 Ezell-Harding. I know they lost every starter from the last 2 state runner up teams but wow!

The lines are what makes football teams think about it. On any given team they represent anywhere from 9 to 10 of the starters for the team on offense and defense(5 oline and 3 or 4 d linemen.) Show many any team that wins alot and ill show a good offensive line.

TSU Offensive Coordinator?

Well i have been thinking about this for the last couple of weeks trying to gather my thoughts and some information in order to make a good representation for both Private And public Schools. My plan involves a split, because mainly I see it as the only way for both sides to get some some type of equality. Division 1---All Public Schools--- 1) 4 Divisions Dropping from the current 5. I know many public supporters dont like this idea and it would be almost impossible to get people to decrease the number of classes, but if you take 14 schools from Class A that are supposedly the best in the class i think the best alternative is to drop that number down in order to reach some kind of happy medium. If you dont you will see more dominance than you have from any private school. 2) No Magnets They are Division 2 The main reason(Vol GEN) for this is they have the same advantages as any private school except they get to give the education for free. 3) 75 Teams Per division(roughly and Football only) This gives you 25 for middle east and west in each division. I know some would have to have more than others because there is gonna be more larger schools in certain areas than others but the numbers could be tweaked for each division. 4) Play-Offs 2 teams Per region. Mostlly 4 and 5 team regions instead of these 10 team regions and 4 teams per region is ridicualous. There is no way in the world the TSSAA takes a pay cut here. You must think though that the TSSAA would have everyone goto the play-offs if the thought people would go for it, because it just means more money to line their poskets. Division 2--Privates and Magnets and Any school that has over 20% of their players from outside their zone. 1) 3 Divisions---Same as it is now. You take some of the uncompetitive schools in division 1 now and place them in DIvision 2A. Gives them about 5-7 more teams to compete with and imporves overall play. Division 2AA includes all of the competitive Division 1 Privates UNcluding 1A and 2A privates and magnets. And then the SUper 7, because they are in a league of their own anyways. I truely beleive some public schools could easily fall into this division with their student base and the number of kids they have from outside their zone. Included in these schools could be some Memophis schools, Metro Nashville, and That School to the east. 2) Magnet Schools Must be placed here if the basis for a split is determined to be the "Cream Skimming" That goes on in private schools and where the students come from. Some Magnets schools in Metro areas pull students from 5-10 different school zones. 3) Playoff Teams This not only will bolster the divisions from top to bottom it gives them better travel opputunities. Half The teams from a and AA make playoffs and they go instride with the SUper Seven PLay-offs and the Winner of AA plays AAA in order to crown the private champion and that would take the playoffs for privates up until the week before the public state Championships. I know many of the ideas that i ahve are simlar to others posted here, but i tried to incorporate the split the movement of teams and so forth. I truely believe lowering the classifaction number total from 8 to 7 puts us more in line with other states that i have looked at. North Carolina and Texas Are Two that i have looked at and they both have less state chapions per capita than TN and its a significant differnce. Tennesse has a state champion for for every 700 thousand people in the state. Texas is over a million and North Carolina is close to 900 thousand. The TSSAA is not gonna lower the number of teams that goto the play-offs you can take that to the bank and they will to. The TSSAA doesnt have private school interests at heart they have to go with the majority and that is the public schools. I think seriously about forming a private organization might be a possibility, but i would like to see them all stay together for nothing more than sentimental reasons.

Are you Little G?

I think he still wants togo to Tennessee. Middle Should be a good fit for him tho. I hope he does well there and ill be goin to see him play this next year for sure.

They were not the three best players to ever play at ezell. Try Scottie Oakes, Tim BAll, and prolly Owens.

Not that i support race based comparisons, but look at the number of black athletes playing college and professional football and i think youll see what he is getting at.

http://www.k-12.state.tn.us/rptcrd02/ That should get us started.

While i will agree with you on many points there are some i dont beleive you can seriously say are not without merit. The main point of my using the phrase "picking up the pieces" maybe wasnt as good as an analogy as i could have used. "Picking Up The Fumble" might have been better suited to the discussion. That terminology was used because i see kids transferring from public school based on parents beleif they are not the right place for their kids for a miriad of reasons. One Of which is the Urban Public schools lake of ability to provide a decent learning enviroment for many students. SO they yank their kids out of public school and stick them into a private school. Not because they wanted to but rather because in their "beleif" the kid would either 1) have a better chance at excelling at a private school or 2) to get them away from bad "influences". Either way we end up looking like we are recruiting when all we have done is go about our business. That in itself is the advantage i see for private schools. As far the Young man that was denied access its not because they wouldnt accept the kid its more about who is better equipped to handle his special needs. Ezell is not the finest learning institution in the land, it is actually far from it, but they do not have the resuorces to handle his needs. They have 3 types of classes AP, regualr, and fundamental and all three of these classes operate at pretty high level. In order to accomdate someone like that he would have to have his own classes and instruction neither of which Ezell could provide. So he was "Better Off" in a place that could fill his needs better because they are set up for that type of situation. IM sure that was done in his best interests. My promise to you is that i will search for information to back my statements about higher test scores on ACT|SAT and graduation rates for private schools vs public schools. I also agree that private institutions sell insulation to the real world. For example, Ezell sits right in the middle of ANtioch and the makeup of the local population shows a very high percetage of ethnic backgrounds, but Ezell is 90% white. But its the enviroment you are paying for in most cases not that the Division 1 privates offer the highest education available. If you want that MBA is right down the street, which i also attended for 2 years. Did i make the best grades in 5th and 6th grade to get into that school? the answer is no so i know MBA isnt as tough as everyone makes it out to be. And you are right the world would go on without private schools, but the fact of the matter is that isnt going to happen. They provide a product that people are willing to spend their disposable income on and the price elasticity model tells me they are having more and more demand. They are not taking in more students but are charging more money that tells you right there they are thriving. I must say im sorry that my seemingly off the cuff statement raised such an ire in you, but at the same time i can appreciate some of your points as well founded and not without merit. We get accused of many things here and in the "real world" but none of which happens 99% of the time. I find it hard to defend my point of view sometimes without lashing out at a weakness i see in the publics armor. My whole point is this. I dont see it as much a matter of what privates have done as it is what the publics have not done. Also you forgot to mention i said that i think the toughest teaching job, and where i think the best teachers are. Public Schools.

Thats all we are doing is picking up the peices from the erroding public school system. I do beleive on a day to day basis there is probably more to be proud of teaching in a public school than a private. There are many more obstacles In teaching there because of the situations of both schools. When i use Us or you its just a simpler way of saying private or public school nothing more. When you say what have we done for public school i think you are asking more from us than you are asking from your own people. We have to support our school, because that is where our kids go and to ask us to support more than one school is pretty tough. I think we are helping you some because we are still providing funding for public school even though we are not using the resources. Seems like to me that should help some. The truth of the matter is we are there to pick up when public schools drop the ball. Whether it be students wanting to be surronded by a winning enviroment or whether it be parents being feed up with public schools, because basically they inept except from trying to keep the peace at school. All that being said it is much harder to teach at publics and your more dedicated teachers ,if they are in search of challenges, will teach at public school IMHO. I dont think saying we washed our hands of it is entirely fair because we still do provide money without using the resource. Should enable them to provide better education the more kids privates get.

Arkansas will practice at Brentwood Academy for two days before the game. Minnesota will practice at Goodpasture. Wonder if they will work out with the high schools? There are differnces in everything that private schools do compared to public schools.

I dont think they will have 2 middle TN QB's on their roster next year. Grapevine says Shelley may transfer.

Softballer you have asked a question earlier about what changed about private schools that has made this such an advatage now. Well i say they didnt change but the market place and public schools changed. The private schools are doing business the same as usual as they have always done but 2 things jump out at me. 1) Urban Public School have eroded to a point now that people are seeking out alternatives. This year is the highest year for the privates i know about for enroillment ever. Thats your own system falling apart not us doing anything but being there to pick up the pieces. As the years go on you will see more and more private schools, because goverment no longer has the ability to run education sucessfully, and never really has. 2) The Market Place-- In todays job climate a high school education is worth squat without a college degree to back it up. Odds are higher if you graduate from a private school you will suceed in College and this from kids that goto college, which tends to weed out your lower students. If you took a control group from a public school and one from a private that have similar test scores on standardized tests a higher percentage of students from the private would finish their college education. That is simply the reason people send their kids to private schools it gives them a better chance of being sucessful in the long run. Also what about having K-12 under one roof? That could be an advantage because they know the kids from the time the enter the school. I mean the whole idea behind private schools is to be better alternative than a public right? Im pretty sure they are because i know where i will send my son. They do have advanatges, but to say they have done underhanded of things against the spirit of the rules is pretty thin ice if you ask me. Like i have said all along it might not be as mischevious as you think.

They are Hollow now and if you take the best teams out of them, which is what everyone is saying, what does it make them then. The only way to avoid that is to lessen the number of classifications.

From Collinwood

Best league in the state bar none. There is a reason they kicked them all out. If you cant beat them.... Congratualtions MBA and BA for playing good teams from other states and making hihg school athltics more than we beat everyone from our county. These schools have good athletes good coaching and would put alot of your so called state champions to shame. BTW Maryville watch out what you ask for you might just end up in disiion 2. You have players from 3 counties and have the same advantages as any private school. Wathc out what you ask for.

Best league in the state bar none. There is a reason they kicked them all out. If you cant beat them.... Congratualtions MBA and BA for playing good teams from other states and making hihg school athltics more than we beat everyone from our county. These schools have good athletes good coaching and would put alot of your so called state champions to shame. BTW Maryville watch out what you ask for you might just end up in disiion 2. You have players from 3 counties and have the same advantages as any private school. Wathc out what you ask for.

Football is MORE popular in Texas ,they pay more, everything about it is better right? But yet they have less state champions when you compare it to Tennessee. Evreyone knows we have to many state champions period. Division 2 should be 2 classes (recruiting and non) division 1 should be no more than 4 and most likely 3.

I agree that none of them are wanting to give their rings back. To play against any number of teams and win a championship is a great accomplishment but.... Tennessee Estimate Total 5,541,337 Texas Estimate Total 20,290,711 According to the last census if texas has as many state championships as tennessee does per capita then guess what. They would have 30 STATE CHAMPIONS. Those number dont lie. We have too many divisions by far and if you look at it the other way. If tennessee has the same numbers as texas does per capita then we would have 4 state champions TOTAL Not 8. Texas has a champion for roughly every 1.5 million people Tennessee on the other hand one for roughly about 700,000 people. About twice as many.

Plays Goodpastrure and Lipscomb. Not first time but first time in a long time.

Have you ever heard me say we are playin in the right division now? No you havent i think some type of movement up in class is something that is coming for SOME of the private schools reagardless of the outcome. I think the system stinks right now as much as you do. So i agree with you that we should proably leave the TSSAA and form our own association TAIS. They would ahve our best interests at heart. I think the TSSAA has been a good organization but i think the private school percentages have gotten so high now that we could form our own association. we make up up roughly 20% of the football teams(sorry im a football guy) in the state. Yet we win nearly 50% of the championships in football alone. Is that right? Did the TSSAA screw some of the publics? Did we actually do anything wrong? well the answers are NO YES NO. I think alot of people have this thing all wrong who they should focus on. The TSSAA voted this way back in 94 so write them. Complain to those guys because they are the ones that set it up this way. Maybe we outgrew the TSSAA becuase there is a need for private schools mainly because the state of URBAN public schools. If thats the case and we tend to get more average to above average students we auotmatically have an advatage over some rural public school point blank, but how without placing us into our own division do we find some kind of equal ground. There isnt a way that ends up that both sides are completely happy and since this is america we shall go with the majority its only fair that way(BTW Political Correctness is way overrated). Im afraid the only solution is to leave the TSSAA and form our own association that way the privates get SOME say so in what happens and the publics get their all public state champions. To keep us in involves to much trust and beleif that the others guys are not working against them. Those bridges were burned along time ago and would be difficult to rebuild. We would want some kind of guideline's that would be carried across all memeber schools. Also to answer a few of your question point blank. Private schools are not set up to accept slower students they dont have the manpower nor the space avcailable to have special education classes. ALso they are high paced enviroments where that would slow down what they are trying to accomplish. Teachers passing those state exams ??? Have you ever heard about those exams they are a joke. People are not afraid of playin BA its a challenge for them and they would take it on. And as far as your state tests for everything i guess putting more students in college per capita and them actually graduating wouldnt say anyhting about the school. Also Check your records again on the vote to split. I wasnt 70-1.

Was the best runnin back.

It comes down to equality. Are they going to split us purely on the suggestion of coaches that have a bias or are they going to split us based on numbers and hard factual information. If its the first reason then we dont just need to leave the TSSAA we have to leave, because it demonstrates that they do not have the best intersts of our schools at heart. If its the latter then that is fine as well, but we would like to have equality across the board, especially if it comes down to zoning issues because i think there are more public schools than i care to shake a stick at that could fall into some pitfalls there.