No doubt but let's be real about something real quick. Tyner was the favorite for the gold ball all year. Meigs wasn't the Meigs of the past few years and Marion went through a coaching change. Region 4 wasn't as strong as years past with TC and Watertown being down. Them bringing in Manes didn't put them over the top. They would have won the gold ball with or without him. Not to take anything away from Tyner, but Alcoa was the only real force they played all year and we saw the outcome. This Alcoa team wasn't near as dominant as past Alcoa teams.