Braves acquire Farnsworth

[gotmilk?]

If he had a fastball IQ instead of an eephus IQ, he'd get more outs.  Ya know, like that one dude you guys had a few years ago...wore #31...

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Well just so happens that guy that wore #31 has a 4.67 era this season and Farnsworth is sporting a 2.27 era so he must be doing something right!

 

 

P.S. No disrespect to Maddux who is one of the greatest pitchers of all-time, just proving a point!

[gotmilk?]

Nope he's not served it yet........still waiting on the appeal........

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My bad....I didnt think he had appealed it! thumb

[Opperman]

Well just so happens that guy that wore #31 has a 4.67 era this season and Farnsworth is sporting a 2.27 era so he must be doing something right!

P.S. No disrespect to Maddux who is one of the greatest pitchers of all-time, just proving a point!

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And if #31 was as dumb as Farnsworth, he woulda stalled out in AAA and never had a real MLB career.

[gotmilk?]

And if #31 was as dumb as Farnsworth, he woulda stalled out in AAA and never had a real MLB career.

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He has a MLB career, besides the man just turned 29 and he has been in the league full-time for 7 years! He was 22 when he started full-time in MLB, alot of players dont make it that fast, so his stall must not have lasted very long! And at the age 29, he still has time to establish himself as a very good RP!

 

FYI: Every pitcher cant be Greg Maddux! thumb

[Opperman]

He has a MLB career, besides the man just turned 29 and he has been in the league full-time for 7 years! He was 22 when he started full-time in MLB, alot of players dont make it that fast, so his stall must not have lasted very long! And at the age 29, he still has time to establish himself as a very good RP!

 

FYI: Every pitcher cant be Greg Maddux! thumb

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As usual, you miss my point. Farnsworth's million-dollar arm lets him get away with being dumb...to a point. Greg Maddux didn't have a million-dollar arm.

[gotmilk?]

As usual, you miss my point.  Farnsworth's million-dollar arm lets him get away with being dumb...to a point.  Greg Maddux didn't have a million-dollar arm.

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So in that case you are saying that if you have a million-dollar arm then you are dumb and if you dont then your smart? I know you are wiser than that so that cant be what you mean! Maybe you just need to clear up why you are on here attacking a MLB pitcher and the man has done nothing to make anyone think that he is not intelligent and has proved that he is a team player! Truth be known, you have nothing against Farnsworth accept for the fact he plays for the Braves! Had he been traded to the Cards you would be talking about a wonderful addition to there bullpen!

[Opperman]

So in that case you are saying that if you have a million-dollar arm then you are dumb and if you dont then your smart? I know you are wiser than that so that cant be what you mean! Maybe you just need to clear up why you are on here attacking a MLB pitcher and the man has done nothing to make anyone think that he is not intelligent and has proved that he is a team player! Truth be known, you have nothing against Farnsworth accept for the fact he plays for the Braves! Had he been traded to the Cards you would be talking about a wonderful addition to there bullpen!

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No, I don't think Farnsworth is a wonderful addition to anyone's bullpen.

 

There are some pitchers with million-dollar arms and brainpower. The Cardinals rocked one of them tonight. Pedro, Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, Chris Carpenter, etc.

 

There's a whole class of other guys who throw a million miles an hour and don't know how to use it to be a good pitcher.

 

If Farnsworth is as great as you think he is, why did the Cubs -- who may have had the worst bullpen in baseball over the last two years -- let him go?

 

And I'd say spraining your knee by kicking an electric fan in the clubhouse is a sign you're not overly intelligent. And doing that also tends to not be a team-player type move.

[gotmilk?]

First of all, you are putting words in my mouth, I never said he was a GREAT pitcher, I said he was a a good addition to the Braves bullpen and anyone who knows baseball, knows Leo will have this man pitching ever better than he was he got to Atlanta! BTW if David Ortiz is so great, why did the Twins release him? And the rest is history! Some times teams just make bad moves and I bet if the Cubs could have Farnsworth back right now, they would take him. As far as the knee spraining incident, this is the first I have heard of it, but if this is in fact true, we all make mistakes right? Or maybe you dont?

[Opperman]

First of all, you are putting words in my mouth, I never said he was a GREAT pitcher, I said he was a a good addition to the Braves bullpen and anyone who knows baseball, knows Leo will have this man pitching ever better than he was he got to Atlanta! BTW if David Ortiz is so great, why did the Twins release him? And the rest is history! Some times teams just make bad moves and I bet if the Cubs could have Farnsworth back right now, they would take him. As far as the knee spraining incident, this is the first I have heard of it, but if this is in fact true, we all make mistakes right? Or maybe you dont?

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There are some mistakes that are a lot stupider than others.

 

Farnsworth is a reliever who goes back and forth between being good and being awful, and he hasn't learned anything yet about how to be consistent. Sure, he could...but some things are less likely than others. I particularly liked his 8th inning appearance today, though not quite as much as I liked Reitsma in the 9th... thumb

 

He's an ok pickup, but he isn't wonderful.

[gotmilk?]

There are some mistakes that are a lot stupider than others.

 

Farnsworth is a reliever who goes back and forth between being good and being awful, and he hasn't learned anything yet about how to be consistent.  Sure, he could...but some things are less likely than others.  I particularly liked his 8th inning appearance today, though not quite as much as I liked Reitsma in the 9th...  thumb

 

He's an ok pickup, but he isn't wonderful.

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2/3 inn 1 hit 1 run

 

So what Izzy 2/3 inn 2 hits 1 run and a walk

 

Giving up runs is part of baseball, do you know a pitcher with a 0.00 era with as many innings pitched as Farnsworth? BTW, over the past 3 years, Farnsworth has been very consisent and has been able to be very effective late in the game out of the BP!

[Solomon]

2/3 inn 1 hit 1 run

 

So what Izzy 2/3 inn 2 hits 1 run and a walk

 

Giving up runs is part of baseball, do you know a pitcher with a 0.00 era with as many innings pitched as Farnsworth? BTW, over the past 3 years, Farnsworth has been very consisent and has been able to be very effective late in the game out of the BP!

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Walk into my office tomorrow morning and make that statement to the 4 die-hard Cubs fans that I work with. When he got traded to Detroit, every one of them were estatic. They could have gotten 5 drunken monkeys for him, and they would have been happy just to be rid of him.

 

Just to compare...............

 

Farnsworth: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pl...php?p=farnsky01

 

vs. our right handed set up man, Julian Tavarez: http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pl...php?p=tavarju01

[Opperman]

2/3 inn 1 hit 1 run

 

So what Izzy 2/3 inn 2 hits 1 run and a walk

 

Giving up runs is part of baseball, do you know a pitcher with a 0.00 era with as many innings pitched as Farnsworth? BTW, over the past 3 years, Farnsworth has been very consisent and has been able to be very effective late in the game out of the BP!

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The guy has a career ERA of almost 5. 5.05 as a rookie, 6.43 in 2000. 2.74 in 2001, he's turned the corner, right? Nope, 7.33 in 2002. 3.30 in 03, now he's got it, right? Nope, 4.73 in 04. 2.whatever this year, he's finally got it, right? Personally, I doubt it. He's established a pattern.

 

And to answer your point about Ortiz earlier...he's a 1B/DH, and Minnesota already had a bunch of those -- Mientkiewicz, Mike Cuddyer, Mike Restovich, Matt LeCroy, Bobby Kielty, Casey Blake...they couldn't keep all of them. Ortiz was about to get a lot more expensive due to arbitration, and he'd been injured more often than he'd been healthy. All that to say, they felt Minky, Cuddyer, Restovich, and the like would handle 1B/DH cheaper and more consistently.

 

There's no way you can claim the Cubs didn't have room for him in the bullpen. With one of the worst pens in the NL, they traded him for a group of players that doesn't look like it will be worth much for a MLB team.