What is the correct call?

[Willy41360]

Situation:

 

Home team has the ball 3rd and 7 on the visiting teams 35 late in the 4th quarter and leading by 2 points.

 

Defense anticipates a pass and sets accordingly. Wide out on the offense jumps to early, pass play is completed for 11 yards. Referee says he saw the wide out jump but the defense had a player lined up in the neutral zone.

 

Which call is correct?

 

A. The illegal proceedure by the wide out ended the play. 5 yard penalty against the offense.

 

B. Defense is called for off sides. Play stands because offense obviously takes the play as it is enough for a 1st down.

 

C. The two penalties are off setting, play the down over.

 

D. Nothing is called and the play stands.

 

E. None of the above. (List your call)

 

Sounds like it may be fun, give it a try............

[robjim]

A. Wide out moved forward, defensive player still had the opportunity to move back from the neutral zone before the ball was snapped. Dead ball foul, with the movement of the Wide out. 5 yds back, down remains the same.

[gridiron13]

Depends on how the referee saw it occur. It could be illegal motion on the offense and if the defense was indeed in the neutral zone, the penalties offset, replay the down.

[ATCPT]

A.

[robjim]

Remember, the offensive player moved before the snap, therefore the defensive was not in the neutral zone illegally, he was in it and is allowed to be in it up until the ball is snapped.

 

Depends on how the referee saw it occur. It could be illegal motion on the offense and if the defense was indeed in the neutral zone, the penalties offset, replay the down.

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[volball5150]

In TN high school, once a defensive player jumps into the neutral zone it is a dead ball.

 

Now if the official judged that both the offensive and defensive player moved at the same time then it is offsetting and replay the down.

 

If the defensive player is deemed to have moved first, then illegal procedure and 5 yards for the offense. Obviously, it is the reverse if the offensive player moved first.

 

At no time can the play stand because either player moving is a dead ball.

[reddevil44]

Situation:

 

Home team has the ball 3rd and 7 on the visiting teams 35 late in the 4th quarter and leading by 2 points.

 

Defense anticipates a pass and sets accordingly. Wide out on the offense jumps to early, pass play is completed for 11 yards. Referee says he saw the wide out jump but the defense had a player lined up in the neutral zone.

 

Which call is correct?

 

A. The illegal proceedure by the wide out ended the play. 5 yard penalty against the offense.

 

B.  Defense is called for off sides. Play stands because offense obviously takes the play as it is enough for a 1st down.

 

C. The two penalties are off setting, play the down over.

 

D. Nothing is called and the play stands.

 

E. None of the above. (List your call)

 

Sounds like it may be fun, give it a try............ 

825752919[/snapback]

If the wide out jumped early, play should have been stopped at that point. If it wasn't, I think the correct answer is B.

[dpemberton]

First of all, the play should have been allowed to continue. If defense was lined up in the neutral zone, the play should have been stopped before the ball was snapped. Mistake #1. Contrary to popular belief, the defense does not have until the ball is snapped to clear the neutral zone. Also, if the wide out "jumped", the play should have been blown dead immediately. Mistake #2.

 

It appears that we have problems on all three sides of the ball, offense (false start), defence (off sides) and zebras(not knowing the rules).

 

BTW, if the situtation was as stated, there really is no proper call. But the right thing to do would be to offset the penelaties and replay the down.

 

Just my $0.02 worth.

[o21putt]

The correct call is none of the above. If the offensive player moved first, its a dead ball foul, false start by the offense and the play is blown dead and the offense is not allowed to run a play. Five yard penalty on the offense and replay the down.

[bigwes68]

The correct answer is E -- None of the Above -- and none of the previous responses, either.

 

Under NFHS rules (which every state plays by except for Texas and Massachusetts), encroachment by the defense is a dead-ball foul. Unlike in college or professional football, once the defensive player is in the neutral zone, he DOES NOT have an opportunity to "get back" before the ball is snapped. Since the defensive player was lined up in the neutral zone prior to the snap, the play should have been blown dead before the ball was snapped. The false start never happened, and the play never happened.

 

Penalty is 5 yards from the previous spot, it will be 3rd and 2 at B's 30.

[ATCPT]

The correct call is none of the above.  If the offensive player moved first, its a dead ball foul, false start by the offense and the play is blown dead and the offense is not allowed to run a play.  Five yard penalty on the offense and replay the down.

825752961[/snapback]

Isn't that what A. says, (although you did add the all important replay the down)?

[o21putt]

Illegal procedure is not a foul. The foul is either a false start by the offense or encroachment by the defense. The situation stated that the offensive player moved and the way it was stated, I read it that the offense moved prior to the defense being in the neutral zone. Anyway, if the defense did in fact line up in the neutral zone then encroachment would have been the correct call and it is a dead ball foul and the false start and the play never happened just as bigwes68 stated. Didn't mean to make it sound confusing. Guess I'm not very good at explaining.