Arm chair umpires

[SHS1]

Situation: Bases loaded with 2 outs, home team batting. High pop up in infield that lands about 1 foot pass 1st base in fair territory. The spin on the ball carries it back toward home plate where it goes across the foul line between 1st base and home and rolls into team dugout. No player touches the ball at anytime. What's the call?

[westtennsports]

Situation: Bases loaded with 2 outs, home team batting. High pop up in infield that lands about 1 foot pass 1st base in fair territory. The spin on the ball carries it back toward home plate where it goes across the foul line between 1st base and home and rolls into team dugout. No player touches the ball at anytime. What's the call?

 

Fair ball

 

Ball is ruled foul or fair based on where a ground ball goes over the bag or where a line drive/pop up first touches on the other side of the bag.

[Grace Golden Eagles]

Ok, I might be confused, but where was the infield fly rule on this?

[Gerry Bertier]

Its a fair ball, but I have never seen a play like this and probably never will cause the ball would have to have some serious back spin and then take a nice curve into the dugout.

[Vicker]

Two outs...No infield fly rule.

[diamond<>cutter]

It's a FOUL ball....Here's why

 

Take any situation, line drive is hit off of the pitchers mound and the ball rolls foul. It is considered a foul ball. Why? Because it must touch a player in fair territory, or one of the official bags via 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or Home Plate and of course Home Plate declares the ball foul. The mound is not considered an official bag.

 

This is somewhat the same instance, because the ball did not come into contact with any player in fair territory, or 1st base where it was located. You may argue that the ball landed fair past the bag declaring it fair and in play. This is incorrect until the ball comes to a COMPLETE REST. The ball can not be spinning, moving, or any movement at all and officially be ruled fair or foul.

 

Also in the opposite situation the ball is in foul territory between 1st and home plate, is still spinning and comes back into fair territory on it's own accord and then comes to a complete stop. The ball is then declared fair. The only way it is declared foul is if it touches a player in foul territory, touches a part of the "dead ball" area that is declared before the game starts between coaches and umpires.

[davidlimbaugh]

Foul Ball...

[uknowme]

Fair ball

 

Ball is ruled foul or fair based on where a ground ball goes over the bag or where a line drive/pop up first touches on the other side of the bag.

100% correct. Fly ball is fair immediately when it first touches the ground in fair territory past the bag. It doesn't matter what happens after that.

[bigwes68]

It's a FOUL ball....Here's why

 

Take any situation, line drive is hit off of the pitchers mound and the ball rolls foul. It is considered a foul ball. Why? Because it must touch a player in fair territory, or one of the official bags via 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or Home Plate and of course Home Plate declares the ball foul. The mound is not considered an official bag.

 

This is somewhat the same instance, because the ball did not come into contact with any player in fair territory, or 1st base where it was located. You may argue that the ball landed fair past the bag declaring it fair and in play. This is incorrect until the ball comes to a COMPLETE REST. The ball can not be spinning, moving, or any movement at all and officially be ruled fair or foul.

 

Also in the opposite situation the ball is in foul territory between 1st and home plate, is still spinning and comes back into fair territory on it's own accord and then comes to a complete stop. The ball is then declared fair. The only way it is declared foul is if it touches a player in foul territory, touches a part of the "dead ball" area that is declared before the game starts between coaches and umpires.

 

 

OK, multiple problems with this one.

 

First -- a ball that hits home plate is NOT automatically foul. The plate is completely in fair territory, therefore the ball cannot be foul because of hitting the plate. After hitting the plate it might BECOME foul, but the simple fact that it hit the plate does not make it foul.

 

A ball that hits the pitcher's mound and rolls foul is a foul ball because it had not, at that point, passed first or third base. The key in the original situation is when the ball passes first base. At that point, wherever it first contacts the ground determines fair or foul status. The whole "complete rest" thing ONLY applies if the ball has not yet passed first or third base.

 

Here is the rule from the MLB rule book:

 

A FAIR BALL is a batted ball that settles on fair ground between home and first base, or between home and third base, or that is on or over fair territory when bounding to the outfield past first or third base, or that touches first, second or third base, or that first falls on fair territory on or beyond first base or third base, or that, while on or over fair territory touches the person of an umpire or player, or that, while over fair territory passes out of the playing field in flight.

Edited April 26, 2006 by bigwes68

[uknowme]

It's a FOUL ball....Here's why

 

Take any situation, line drive is hit off of the pitchers mound and the ball rolls foul. It is considered a foul ball. Why? Because it must touch a player in fair territory, or one of the official bags via 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or Home Plate and of course Home Plate declares the ball foul. The mound is not considered an official bag.

 

This is somewhat the same instance, because the ball did not come into contact with any player in fair territory, or 1st base where it was located. You may argue that the ball landed fair past the bag declaring it fair and in play. This is incorrect until the ball comes to a COMPLETE REST. The ball can not be spinning, moving, or any movement at all and officially be ruled fair or foul.

 

Also in the opposite situation the ball is in foul territory between 1st and home plate, is still spinning and comes back into fair territory on it's own accord and then comes to a complete stop. The ball is then declared fair. The only way it is declared foul is if it touches a player in foul territory, touches a part of the "dead ball" area that is declared before the game starts between coaches and umpires.

Home plate does not declare the ball foul. Home plate and all bags are completely in fair territory. And yes a ball can be considered fair while it is moving. A ball can hit the mound and be deflected and ruled a foul ball because the mound is not 90 feet away from the plate. An imaginary line is drawn from 1st to 3rd that declares that line.

 

OK, multiple problems with this one.

 

First -- a ball that hits home plate is NOT automatically foul. The plate is completely in fair territory, therefore the ball cannot be foul because of hitting the plate. After hitting the plate it might BECOME foul, but the simple fact that it hit the plate does not make it foul.

 

A ball that hits the pitcher's mound and rolls foul is a foul ball because it had not, at that point, passed first or third base. The key in the original situation is when the ball passes first base. At that point, wherever it first contacts the ground determines fair or foul status. The whole "complete rest" thing ONLY applies if the ball has not yet passed first or third base.

 

Here is the rule from the MLB rule book:

 

A FAIR BALL is a batted ball that settles on fair ground between home and first base, or between home and third base, or that is on or over fair territory when bounding to the outfield past first or third base, or that touches first, second or third base, or that first falls on fair territory on or beyond first base or third base, or that, while on or over fair territory touches the person of an umpire or player, or that, while over fair territory passes out of the playing field in flight.

True, true, true. Good post. Good to see someone else studies before posting.

[diamond<>cutter]

I didn't include the fact that it matters where it goes from home plate. I thought that it was assumed that it would be foul on home plate or behind it. I do now see where MLB rules that it is ruled fair if it passes the bag. I just thought the ball had to make contact or come to rest in fair territory....

 

as far as uknowme, it was a mistake of interpretation, but no need for your smart ellic comment. thanks for nothing. there's always one of you out there turning a simple conversation board into a personal attack.

[Bluetooth]

Fair Ball.

 

Limbaugh you surprised me on this one. If the ball passes a direct line between first and second or second and third and then rolls foul it is fair. If the ball lands in front of second base and rolls foul without being touched it is a foul ball.