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[maroonandgrey]

QUOTE(PantherFan87 @ Mar 7 2007 - 12:28 PM) 826403501[/snapback]maroonandgrey, please don't take this personally, as you're 1 of the few, it seems, not laying all the blame at the feet of the officials. Just wanted to correct that Powell did have a player foul out, Daniel Hansen, coming between DB's 1st and 2nd, along with at least 2 other players to my recollection finishing the game with 4 fouls for Powell. Also, if you take away the 4 FT's that were shot as a result of DB fouling late to get the ball back, The FT''s are 27-21, which is far from a huge discrepancy.

 

I stand corrected on the foul out issue. Like I said I've spoken to (DB fans) at the game and they acknowledge that the game was not called consistent both ways and that in the 2nd half it seemed it was called different both ways from the 1st half. Also, they have indicated to me that depsite the calls and 29 points from a great player, DB had ample chances to extend a 6 point lead but missed 3 easy layups along with poor foul shooting. If they take care of business then this all doesn't take place.

Also, please understand that these are 16-18 year old players directly after a heart wrenching loss they felt they should have won and a reporter wants a soundbite immediately after, there are gonna be some statements made in frustration. Also note they made a point to indicate there feelings did not in any way take from a great Powell team (I know Throp made that specific point). I think had they had some time to reflect and look at tape there statements may have been different. I just made that statement so people don't think the DB student athlete's lose with some class. I have heard and seen much more positive than negative from opposing teams/fans/coaches to tell me that they play the right way...but they are kids.

Congrats to Powell and all teams that made state. Enjoy it because this thread just emphasizes how difficult it is to just get there and how diffcult it is for the players/coaches/fans when that journey ends so close to the goal. /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

[maroonandgrey]

QUOTE(VolmanScott @ Mar 7 2007 - 12:53 PM) 826403542[/snapback]No offense towards Ritz, but any coach in the Big 9 could take D-B's team this year and compete at the state level. There's not much coaching in baseball I tell you. If Ritz had Catapano (SP??) last year, he would have won the state. Football and basketball require much more coaching and much better athletes. I've said for years that D-B fans expectations are too high. They will never win a football or basketball state title. THey have a chance in baseball.

 

I agree with most of that

QUOTE(VolmanScott @ Mar 7 2007 - 12:53 PM) 826403542[/snapback]They will never win a basketball state title.

 

OK..although they have fielded some great teams that have competed very well with Buck a few times and also under Shipley. Gotta have the talent though to go along with coaching such as Pitts at Science Hill

QUOTE(VolmanScott @ Mar 7 2007 - 12:53 PM) 826403542[/snapback]They will never win a football state title.

 

I totally disagree there because there has been some good teams who have had some close calls against some good teams (00 Red Bank, 02 Riverdale). And the Sevier County team that won in 99 didn't have all the D-1A talent you claim a team has to have. Do the stars have to align just right? Of course, but that is true for any school outside of the larger metro areas. Besides in a few more years they'll anex Colonial Heights and then there'll be just one Kingsport mega school to compete agasint the big dogs..maybe they'll look at invading and claiming SW Va so we can get all there talent too /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

OK..so I don't agree with anything you said other than if DB had Catapano they win state...if for no other reason than they wouldn't have had to face him in a best of 1 series /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

[DBGRAD70]

QUOTE(skunk @ Mar 7 2007 - 01:17 PM) 826403576[/snapback]Before everyone gets all giddy about their "facts", D-B actually only shot 20 free throws...King has been credited with two attempts in the "official" scoring and his trip to the free throw line was actually a miss on the front end of a one and one...the free throw shooting was actually 31-20 in shots taken.

 

In my opinion (as a former TSSAA official) the officiating on Monday, was below poor...the state of Tennessee does not do enough training of officials, period...Monday night was an example of the lack of training...the officials also did not sign the official scorebook...?

 

As a member of the media I have always felt reporters should report, write or say what they see...Mr. Bliss is certainly not a homer for D-B, but felt he saw something he should report...had others been writing the story they would have given their perspective of the events at hand...not a lack of integrity, by any means, simply a difference of opinion...

 

Again, good luck to Powell and Maryville

 

Roll Tribe Roll

 

Seems to me that you are the only person here with the credentials to backup your analysis on a couple of points in question.

 

I for one respect your input.

 

It is a shame that bad calls in the closing minutes may have influenced the outcome but better ball playing like we saw against Science Hill in game 2 against them in Topper Palace would have prevented the bad calls from making a difference in outcome .

[HTV]

QUOTE(DBGRAD70 @ Mar 7 2007 - 02:03 PM) 826403629[/snapback]Seems to me that you are the only person here with the credentials to backup your analysis on a couple of points in question.

 

I for one respect your input.

 

It is a shame that bad calls in the closing minutes may have influenced the outcome but better ball playing like we saw against Science Hill in game 2 against them in Topper Palace would have prevented the bad calls from making a difference in outcome .

 

 

 

Please. He's not the only person here with eyes to see and the ability to understand what they see.

 

D-B lost. Get over it.

[WaCoJaCo]

QUOTE(BobSegar @ Mar 7 2007 - 01:13 PM) 826403571[/snapback]While many, or most, disagree with you on Morgan, I am on your side. However, not for all the same reasons. I do not believe he is a horrible coach, but I do disagree with many of his decisions during the course of the game. I said all along during the regional tournament that if DB wanted to beat Science Hill and win substate they would have to play more than 6 players. Well, I basically got called an idiot and it was pointed out that DB beat Science Hill in JC with only 6 players. OK, that was then, this is now. I said they couldn't do it again, and they got run out of the gym. They looked tired and worn out, which can be expected after 6 players see all of the minutes. The foul situation in the Powell game should not have mattered because Morgan should have gone to his bench during the course of the game when players were in foul trouble. However, he refused to play more than 6 people (actually it was 9, but two of them only saw about 2 minutes after others fouled out, and the other was inserted with 7 seconds left for the final shot which he never took). If Morgan is such a good coach he should be able to take the athletes and capable players that he has on his bench and insert them into the game with the goal of taking care of the ball and stealing minutes. Good coaches can do that.

 

It has been said time and time again that DB's 2nd five could beat many of the teams on our conference. While this is true, where were they during the postseason?

 

 

 

I don't think I have said Morgan is a horrible coach. If I did say that, I shouldn't have. He is not a horrible coach, but a average coach at best. A horrible coach would get fired and end up selling used cars somewhere. I just think DB deserves better. After all you are talking about a school that has won more games than any other in the Nation. I have been taking a lot if flack for pointing out the fact that he's not geting the job done. All those against me have settled that its ok just to win 20 games a year and beat most of the teams in upper east tn. It didn't used to be that way. The goal used to be to make it to state and when you got there people knew you were there. Lowered expections is what will lead to DB's doom. In a few years DB will be loosing regularly to Volunteer, Davey Crockett, etc. Thats why I say in 5 years everybody will be on my side of this issue. Do not even try to bring up the myth that DB did not have the athletes this year or even last year. They had a bumper crop and Morgan blew it.

[WaCoJaCo]

QUOTE(VolmanScott @ Mar 7 2007 - 12:53 PM) 826403542[/snapback]No offense towards Ritz, but any coach in the Big 9 could take D-B's team this year and compete at the state level. There's not much coaching in baseball I tell you. If Ritz had Catapano (SP??) last year, he would have won the state. Football and basketball require much more coaching and much better athletes. I've said for years that D-B fans expectations are too high. They will never win a football or basketball state title. THey have a chance in baseball.

 

 

 

You will never get it. Its almost like your from another planet.

[VolmanScott]

QUOTE(WaCoJaCo @ Mar 7 2007 - 02:33 PM) 826403661[/snapback]You will never get it. Its almost like your from another planet.

 

 

Heck Waco, as crazy as you are, YOU could coach this D-B baseball team and compete at the state level.

[VolmanScott]

QUOTE(skunk @ Mar 7 2007 - 01:17 PM) 826403576[/snapback]Before everyone gets all giddy about their "facts", D-B actually only shot 20 free throws...King has been credited with two attempts in the "official" scoring and his trip to the free throw line was actually a miss on the front end of a one and one...the free throw shooting was actually 31-20 in shots taken.

 

In my opinion (as a former TSSAA official) the officiating on Monday, was below poor...the state of Tennessee does not do enough training of officials, period...Monday night was an example of the lack of training...the officials also did not sign the official scorebook...?

 

As a member of the media I have always felt reporters should report, write or say what they see...Mr. Bliss is certainly not a homer for D-B, but felt he saw something he should report...had others been writing the story they would have given their perspective of the events at hand...not a lack of integrity, by any means, simply a difference of opinion...

 

Again, good luck to Powell and Maryville

 

Roll Tribe Roll

 

 

Skunk, I've never heard you bash any of the coaching at D-B and rightfully so, especially since you have boys that play/have played there. Do you think this years basketball team could have done much more than what they did? They won the conference and went to the substate. Granted, they could have won that substate game and advanced one game farther. One could say that if they hadn't got some bad calls that they SHOULD have advanced one game farther. I say the odds of them being able to compete against the west TN teams would have been very very small. Some on this board are blaming the coaching for not being able to compete with the likes of the White Stations and Raleigh Egypts. I'd like an honest opinion of someone who knows a great deal more than the rest of us. If you would rather plead the 5th for obvious reasons I would respect that also. Congratulations to J. on his great game the other night and good luck to him in his college career whatever he may choose to do.

[WaCoJaCo]

QUOTE(VolmanScott @ Mar 7 2007 - 02:55 PM) 826403692[/snapback]Heck Waco, as crazy as you are, YOU could coach this D-B baseball team and compete at the state level.

 

 

I already see the game your playing. What do you have to say about the other good teams Ritz has had at DB or even at North? I don't think North has exactly set the woods on fire since Ritz left there. His teams are almost always competive on the state level. Not just "this team". But I am glad I still have you attention.

[WaCoJaCo]

QUOTE(VolmanScott @ Mar 7 2007 - 03:06 PM) 826403709[/snapback]Skunk, I've never heard you bash any of the coaching at D-B and rightfully so, especially since you have boys that play/have played there. Do you think this years basketball team could have done much more than what they did? They won the conference and went to the substate. Granted, they could have won that substate game and advanced one game farther. One could say that if they hadn't got some bad calls that they SHOULD have advanced one game farther. I say the odds of them being able to compete against the west TN teams would have been very very small. Some on this board are blaming the coaching for not being able to compete with the likes of the White Stations and Raleigh Egypts. I'd like an honest opinion of someone who knows a great deal more than the rest of us. If you would rather plead the 5th for obvious reasons I would respect that also. Congratulations to J. on his great game the other night and good luck to him in his college career whatever he may choose to do.

 

 

I can't believe skunk will let himself be drawn into our little argument. It is pretty low of you to ask a question like that. He either has to say his son is not all that talanted or has to say the coach is not very good. Also, skunk does know a great deal about basketball in this area, but I would not go so far as to say he knows the most or is the only one with a honest opinion. Im not saying I know the most but my opinion is honest and I do have facts to back it up. I will say however that you "volman" have the least amount of knowledge about high school sports of anyone on coacht. Someone who claims to be the "Monica Lewinski" of coacht has to be "Nuts". No pun intended. /rolleyes.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":rolleyes:" border="0" alt="rolleyes.gif" />

[maroonandgrey]

QUOTE(VolmanScott @ Mar 7 2007 - 03:06 PM) 826403709[/snapback]Congratulations to J. on his great game the other night and good luck to him in his college career whatever he may choose to do.

 

PLease! This is the same kid you've been on here rapping on for a year or more!

In case you've forgotten Vowlman:

* "Yep! This thread is growing faster than Jo Jo Throp's head after he just broke up a pass that was going for a touchdown! /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />"

* "Comparing Phillips to Throp is like comparing Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf. Phillips is a class act all the way around. Both on the field and in the class room"

* "Why do you think Throp is the target of such hatred? Wake up. Did you see anyone targeting Pappas? NO. How bout Burton? NO. What about Sensabaugh? Nuh uh. Throp is the problem. ANd the more people like you defend him, the worse he will act. More food for thought"

* "Why do you guys keep making excuses for him? He's been like this forever, regardless of a tee-shirt incident. He acts like this in basketball and football. He acted like this in middle school. His little brother acts worse than he does. If he is the kind of person that makes D-B what it is, then D-B is a sad place. I still haven't heard one D-B fan admit that this kid needs an *** busting."

* "I don't hate him. I don't even know him. I just know he acts like a little punk that needs a butt whipping."

* "I'll admit that we have some kids that need to be punished if one, just one, D-B fan will admit that Throp needs to be taken behind the wood shed."

* "At a boy Art, pump his head up even further. I bet they did the same thing to Terrell Owens when he was in high school. Not to compare the two athletically at all there. Bottom line is, Throp is a very good high school athlete that has a very bad attitude. You know it, you just won't admit it. If he played for anyone other than D-B you'd admit it. Why can't he be a classy player like Pappas, Burton, Sensabaugh and some of the other great athletes you guys have. Clark seems to be a very nice guy. I just don't understand why he tolerates these things. Kinda reminds me of the Nottingham kid a couple of years ago. Anyway, I'll quit beating this dead horse because it's obvious D-B fans are content with ignoring this problem. My guess is, the situation will take care of itself at some point"

* "On anther note, I have a couple of comments to make about Mr. Throp. Tom, you need to whip that boy. He's a great player, and a hard nosed kid, but he is starting to look classless. I would be embarrassed if my son acted like that. It's okay to be a tad cocky, but when you run up and down the opposing team's sidelines and taunt them, that's a bit too far in my book. There are better players on that team than him (Pappas for one) and you don't see them acting like that. I was embarrassed for him and I'm a South fan!"

 

Wow it kinda looks pathetic when you see them together. Sorry for the long post...but I think the point was made /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

[Panthers08]

Just my two cents. I love throp's attitude, I'm basing this solely on the one game i saw, but that kid was the best player on that team. He was really really quick, tough, shot the ball well, and along with 3 was the only kid who knocked down his free throws. I think every team needs a kid with fire and drive like that. Other players feed off that kind of emotion. Matt Hargis and Tyler Howell both carry themselves that way and I wouldn't trade those two guys for anything. Like i said just my opinion.