Indian Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dunlap is getting bigger everyday.... Do they reclassify the classes and regions in 2009? If so, I think Sequatchie will go to region 3-AAA.... These are rough numbers, without looking them up. The school was supposed to have had 630-640 last year, graduated about 120, that gives you at least 510 returners, pending any dropouts since school ended. Add 249 freshmen to that, and you get 759, easily 3A football. All the incoming classes from now on are supposed to number at least 250. Again, dropouts take out some of the numbers, some move away, but more seem to be moving in than leaving. I wish they'd never stopped doing two year classification periods, too much can change in four years. Even with the growth, Sequatchie would still be 2A football this fall as the enrollments used are a year old. But in two years I'd say there's no doubt they'll be 3A football. With a two year system, you'd avoid situations like Walker Valley playing in AA in basketball, baseball and softball, football in 3A with 1200 students, doing very well in all of them, overall not doing so well since moving up with schools their size. You could have a school like Chattanooga Central drop to AA in winter and spring sports, they lost about 100 students and are now below some AA schools but they'll be AAA for the next two years. Fulton would be 4A in football this season with two-year classifications. I believe Rhea and Maryville, probably others, would be 5A. To move up to Class AAA in winter and spring sports, I think Sequatchie would need about 1050, I can't see that in two years, and I think actually they'd take the number a year from now since any changes would be the year after that. Football might be short of 4A even if the numbers keep going up for each grade. Brainerd barely made the 4A football cutoff with 967 two years ago. As for Meigs, Polk, Tellico moving down to 2A in football, I don't see it. I don't think they wanted to play in a region with Boyd-Buchanan. Someone in another topic said that's wrong, they just wanted better travel, but if that's true they would have moved into 3A several years ago, when the region was just Walker Valley, Grundy, Howard, Sequoyah and McMinn Central. That would have made a trip to Grundy every two years, a trip to Chattanooga every two years, and the rest of the region nearby games. Notre Dame will move up to 4A in football in two years due to the multiplier, if it's still in effect, as teams can only move up one class each classification period (that's another reason to have two year periods). They'll be gone from 3A, but Signal Mountain and East Brainerd will have teams soon and will need a class somewhere. Brainerd could also drop into 3A, they're already AA in basketball, and teams like Notre Dame and Fulton moving up could push them down. Chattanooga Christian is adding a team, and their multiplier enrollment is 729, so they'd also be 3A in football. It might make for another nine-region class, as was done for 2A. For those that don't know, Meigs, Polk, Tellico have 2A enrollments and are playing in 3A with East Ridge, Howard, Notre Dame, Sequoyah, McMinn Central and Grundy, not giving teams much room for non-region games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelTavian Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I know you wont name any names so tell us what the title is of this "expert". As bad as the TSSAA is at times I doubt very seriously that you could get anyone there to say something as ambiguous (sp) as that. No pads means NO PADS. Again, if they can wear shoulder pads, why do they not wear them in the 7-on-7 scrimmages? Yeah. I don't know either. I guess Whitwell is just the only ones in the state that knows and understands the rules. I would like for you to tell us what title this so-called expert holds so that it might lend a little credibility to his/her statement. Who knows, you may have just single-handedly revolutionized Tennessee High School Football. Coaches all over the state will be able to modify their off-season practices now because there is a whole lot more that you can do with shoulder pads on than you can do with just tees, shorts and helmets. I've always enjoyed reading your posts because you generally have good input, but this has got to be the biggest load of manure that I've ever read. You had to prowl through a lot of chicken houses in Grundy to come up with this crap! Whitwell was in pads a full week early. Nice attempt at defending them but it's going to take more than simple hearsay to clear their good (um, um) name. Guns....you seem to want to pick a fight. You've also assumed a lot in your posts. Since you seem to have trouble understanding what I'm trying to say I'll break it down for you. 1. I did see with my own eyes yesterday afternoon Whitwell practicing in shorts, shoulder pads and helmets. When I first saw it they looked like they were in pants as well. So when I stopped down the road I called a "longtime friend who follows sports" and asked them if they knew the date for full pads. They said that was Monday which is what I was already sure of. 2. That friend said they were pretty sure could go in shorts, shoulder pads and helmets this week. However they did not say they looked it up in the rules. 3. I then drove back to the school and looked from the parking lot and I saw shorts. No pants with pads, just shorts. 4. I then left and didn't think about it again until it came up in this thread. 5. I posted what I thought I knew about the rule in this thread and exactly what I saw. I wasn't trying to clear anyone's name. I was just trying to give the info I thought was correct. If the info I gave was wrong then I must be the first person in the history of the Internet to post something wrong. Me and the idiots that send around that "Bill Gates is giving away his money" email. Please feel free to tar and feather me. For the record....I did not call TSSAA. My expert is someone else. They also said they weren't positive but they were pretty sure shorts and pads were ok. They are not from Whitwell or Grundy County. They probably could care less if someone is doing something bad or not. They just have a great amount of knowledge about HS sports in TN and no it's not CoachT either. If the practice was against the rules then one of you can call it in. I've never called anything in and I'm not starting now. If they broke the rules then let the chips fall where they may. If Ronnie Carter asks me what I saw I'll tell him. I hope that's clear Guns. Now get off my back! DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indian Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 This is a little offtopic, but the topic has already turned into who was wearing shoulder pads, when and is it wrong. This interested me, this is what the football classes would likely be this fall if they'd not gone to four-year periods. 1A Oakdale 163 Gleason 166 Greenfield 169 Sunbright 179 Zion Christian 187 Temple 191 Pickett County 192 Red Boiling Springs 201 Copper Basin 208 Cloudland 218 Huntland 222 Bruceton 224 Greenback 226 Coalfield 227 Lookout Valley 233 Mt Juliet Christian 243 South Fulton 244 South Pittsburg 247 Clay County 249 Knoxville Grace 250 Clarksville Academy 256 Lake County 258 Midway 268 Cornersville 281 Moore County 286 Silverdale 297 Harriman 301 MTCS 308 Eagleville 310 Columbia Academy 313 Collinwood 324 Westside 326 Chattanooga Grace 326 Nashville Christian 328 McEwen 329 Perry County 336 Wayne County 339 White House Heritage 341 Whitwell 343 Gordonsville 345 Watertown 347 Unaka 348 Jellico 353 West Carroll 354; Jo Byrns School 356 Middleton 356 Manassas 358 McKenzie 382 Halls 383 Mt Pleasant 385 TCA 385 Union City 391 Friendship 391 North Greene 400 Forrest 402 Huntingdon 407 Peabody 407 Cosby 411 Trousdale 414 2A Fayette Academy 419 Cascade 422 Oneida Houston Co.425 Wartburg 425 Dresden 432 Humboldt 433 East Robertson 436 Richland 441 Adamsville 442 Hampton 443 Decatur Co. Riverside 451 Jackson Christian 452 Rockwood 455 Westside 456 Alcoa 473 Marion Co. 478 Upperman 479 Treadwell 484 Oliver Springs 492 Jackson County 494 South Greene 497 Oakhaven 498 Ezell 502 FRA 502 Westmoreland 507 Meigs County 513 DCA 515 Tellico Plains 519 Loretto 526 Bledsoe Co. 532 Tyner 536 Lewis County 553 Memphis South Side 557 CPA 558 Chuckey-Doak 569 Polk Co. 569 Happy Valley 576 Sequatchie 578 Milan 577 Gatlinburg-Pittman 588 Camden 605 West Greene 608 Sweetwater 611 Cumberland Gap 618 Boyd-Buchanan 625 Westview 627 Harpeth 627 Carver 632 B. T. Washington 636 Smith Co. 644 Goodpasture 648 Waverly 653 Stewart Co.661 CAK 671 Grundy Co. 676 York 668 Frayser 672 Cheatham Co. 672 3A Cannon Co. 674 Loudon 675 Kingston 677 USJ 680 Johnson Co. 683 Pearl Cohn 686 Austin-East 702 Sullivan North 703 Chester Co. 706 Scott 741 Gibson Co. 754 Unicoi Co. 754 Pigeon Forge 769 DeKalb County 771 Elizabethton 774 McNairy 775 Crockett County 778 Marshall County 779 Howard 797 McMinn Central 802 Claiborne County 804 Covington 807 Jackson South Side 807 Page 813 Rutledge 814 Macon Co. 820 Greenbrier 821 White House 827 Central-Merry 835 Greeneville 864 Sycamore 865 Bolivar 865 Gibbs 871 East Ridge 875 Spring Hill 875 Obion County 888 Union Co. 888 Sheffield 889 Livingston Academy 889 Carter 896 Ripley 900 Lexington 903 Station Camp 906 Haywood 911 Fayette Ware 911 Stone 920 Montgomery Central 927 Memphis East 939 Sequoyah 943 Mitchell 947 Lipscomb 947 Dyersburg 948 Brainerd 949 Hixson 957 Memphis Northside 960 Giles Co. 967 Creek Wood 971 Springfield 977 Fulton 982 4A Knoxville Catholic 986 Sullivan East 989 Sullivan Central 999 Liberty 1,007 Chattanooga Central 1,009 Notre Dame 1010 Dyer County 1,014 Whites Creek 1,022 Stratford 1,036 Kingsbury 1,037 Jackson North Side 1,044 Portland 1,049 Anderson County 1,051 Maplewood 1,054 Hillcrest 1,056 Red Bank 1,074 Seymour 1,079 Trezevant 1,083 Knoxville Halls 1,085 Hickman Co. 1,108 Beech 1,109 Lawrence Co. 1,110 Volunteer 1,125 Powell 1,139 Cocke Co.1,142 Cleveland 1,146 Hardin Co. 1,159 Cherokee 1,160 Clinton 1,160 Kenwood 1,162 Shelbyville 1,172 Fairley 1,175 Tennessee 1,178 Lenoir City 1,183 Tullahoma 1,189 Cumberland Co. 1,200 (estimate due to Stone opening) White Co. 1,205 Hillsboro 1,225 Daniel Boone 1,229 Northwest High School 1,234 Melrose 1,238 Raleigh Egypt 1,241 South Doyle 1,266 Munford 1,269 Knoxville Central 1,273 Kirby 1,281 Centennial 1,304 Morristown West 1,308 Brighton 1,310 Brentwood 1,311 Walker Valley 1,314 Morristown East 1,321 West High School 1,329 Memphis Central 1,333 Henry County 1,338 Glencliff 1,352 Rossview 1,356 Gallatin 1,358 Campbell Co.1,362 5A Clarksville High School 1,362 McMinn County 1,363 Ravenwood 1,379 Maryville 1,381 Craigmont 1,387 Hendersonville 1,389 David Crockett 1,390 Hillwood 1,390 Rhea County 1,398 Oakland 1,409 Soddy-Daisy 1,425 Oak Ridge 1,433 Northeast 1,435 Dickson Co. 1,436 Heritage 1,449 Columbia 1,464 Mt. Juliet 1,465 Franklin County 1,498 Wilson Central 1,506 Independence 1,523 William Blount 1,539 Overton 1,551 Lincoln Co.1,552 Millington 1,557 Lebanon 1,564 Bradley Central 1,571 Wooddale 1,571 John Overton 1,572 Arlington 1,580 Ridgeway 1,589 Smyrna 1,594 Coffee County 1,597 Blackman 1,614 Bartlett 1,636 Sevier Co. 1,640 Franklin High School 1,715 Karns 1,735 Ooltewah 1,742 Siegel 1,753 Whitehaven 1,754 Dobyns Bennett 1,799 Warren County 1,802 LaVergne 1,826 Hunters Lane 1,869 Riverdale 1,943 Bearden 1,948 Germantown 1,987 Cookeville 2,004 Science Hill 2,031 Cordova 2,035 Jefferson Co. 2,047 Collierville 2,114 White Station 2,152 Farragut High School 2,153 Bolton 2,202 Houston 2,266 Antioch 2,373 McGavock 2,592 I was wrong by one position on Fulton. These are the latest figures from the TSSAA site, from 2006. Sequatchie's 630 would still have them in 2A. Here are what the other regions around Chattanooga would look like: 1A Temple 191 Copper Basin 208 Lookout Valley 233 South Pittsburg 247 Silverdale 297 Chattanooga Grace 326 Whitwell 343 (no changes) 2A Marion Co. 478 Meigs County 513 Tellico Plains 519 Bledsoe Co. 532 Tyner 536 Polk Co. 569 Sequatchie 578 Boyd-Buchanan 625 Grundy Co. 676 Grundy drops down, and this is before any potential move by Tellico, Polk and Meigs. Sequatchie should be above the actual cutoff by now but these are the numbers on the TSSAA site. 3A Howard 797 McMinn Central 802 East Ridge 875 Sequoyah 943 Brainerd 949 Hixson 957 Before probable moves up by Polk, Tellico and Meigs, future additions of Sequatchie, Chattanooga Christian (adding a team) possible additions of Signal Mountain and East Brainerd in the future. 4A Chattanooga Central 1,009 Notre Dame 1010 Red Bank 1,074 Cleveland 1,146 Cumberland Co. 1,200 (estimate due to Stone opening) White Co. 1,205 Walker Valley 1,314 White and Cumberland might shift to another region, but White does plays 3-4A football already and Cumberland is 5AAA basketball. 5A McMinn County 1,363 Rhea County 1,398 Soddy-Daisy 1,425 Bradley Central 1,571 Ooltewah 1,742 I've read Walker Valley should have enough to play 5A soon, that might give the Chattanooga area its own 5A region, help on travel for those teams and the Knoxville area teams. It might force a 9-region class like in 2A. 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zonepirate Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Some of these valley people must be getting a little worried about the Tigers to be taking note of us! The Tigers are doing nothing wrong, we just have a new coaching staff and a new attitude. Practicing in shoulder pads this week is against the rules, helmets only until Monday. The new staff better get a copy of the handbook before they get into real trouble. But honestly, I'm not I'm not concerned enough to bother RC with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtside Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 These are rough numbers, without looking them up. The school was supposed to have had 630-640 last year, graduated about 120, that gives you at least 510 returners, pending any dropouts since school ended. Add 249 freshmen to that, and you get 759, easily 3A football. All the incoming classes from now on are supposed to number at least 250. Again, dropouts take out some of the numbers, some move away, but more seem to be moving in than leaving. I wish they'd never stopped doing two year classification periods, too much can change in four years. Even with the growth, Sequatchie would still be 2A football this fall as the enrollments used are a year old. But in two years I'd say there's no doubt they'll be 3A football. With a two year system, you'd avoid situations like Walker Valley playing in AA in basketball, baseball and softball, football in 3A with 1200 students, doing very well in all of them, overall not doing so well since moving up with schools their size. You could have a school like Chattanooga Central drop to AA in winter and spring sports, they lost about 100 students and are now below some AA schools but they'll be AAA for the next two years. Fulton would be 4A in football this season with two-year classifications. I believe Rhea and Maryville, probably others, would be 5A. To move up to Class AAA in winter and spring sports, I think Sequatchie would need about 1050, I can't see that in two years, and I think actually they'd take the number a year from now since any changes would be the year after that. Football might be short of 4A even if the numbers keep going up for each grade. Brainerd barely made the 4A football cutoff with 967 two years ago. As for Meigs, Polk, Tellico moving down to 2A in football, I don't see it. I don't think they wanted to play in a region with Boyd-Buchanan. Someone in another topic said that's wrong, they just wanted better travel, but if that's true they would have moved into 3A several years ago, when the region was just Walker Valley, Grundy, Howard, Sequoyah and McMinn Central. That would have made a trip to Grundy every two years, a trip to Chattanooga every two years, and the rest of the region nearby games. Notre Dame will move up to 4A in football in two years due to the multiplier, if it's still in effect, as teams can only move up one class each classification period (that's another reason to have two year periods). They'll be gone from 3A, but Signal Mountain and East Brainerd will have teams soon and will need a class somewhere. Brainerd could also drop into 3A, they're already AA in basketball, and teams like Notre Dame and Fulton moving up could push them down. Chattanooga Christian is adding a team, and their multiplier enrollment is 729, so they'd also be 3A in football. It might make for another nine-region class, as was done for 2A. For those that don't know, Meigs, Polk, Tellico have 2A enrollments and are playing in 3A with East Ridge, Howard, Notre Dame, Sequoyah, McMinn Central and Grundy, not giving teams much room for non-region games. indian, i am not sure where you got your freshmen info ? the 8th grade only had about 170 last year, not 249. what about this 250 for incoming classes from now on? from the 4th grade thru 8th grade the biggest class is 160. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequatchie Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 indian, i am not sure where you got your freshmen info ? the 8th grade only had about 170 last year, not 249. what about this 250 for incoming classes from now on? from the 4th grade thru 8th grade the biggest class is 160. Sorry but Indian is correct, Its on the front page of the local paper in black and white they just finished up construction on whole new wings to both the High School and elementary school and the school board is already planning down the road in a couple of years for a new school that would house certain grades from the middle school I think. According to the Superintendent the new wing was added just to facilitate this and future incoming freshmen classes, which includes 249 students this fall. The superintendent says that is the largest incoming freshmen class ever at the high school. I haven't seen the projection for the middle school but in an interview with the elementary school principle she says the school is expecting a record enrollment of 960 students. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Courtside Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 if the 8th grade only had 170 students and school has not started yet, how do they know they have 249 freshmen coming for this year??????????????Where did the other 79 students come from, recruiting trips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indian Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 I'd expect the superintendent to know the numbers. I was guessing about 675 for the high school this year. I thought the entering freshman class last year was around 210 and he says this new group is the largest. All of it will be finalized when they turn in their numbers to the state, I believe 10 days after school starts. The main point in all of that, as far as it relates to sports, there's little doubt they'll be in 3A in football in two years, and even if it's 250 in each freshman class, the dropout number would probably keep them in AA in winter and spring sports. Some years in some sports, the AA district around Chattanooga is better than or as good as the the AAA district. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guns 4 Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Guns....you seem to want to pick a fight. You've also assumed a lot in your posts. Since you seem to have trouble understanding what I'm trying to say I'll break it down for you. 1. I did see with my own eyes yesterday afternoon Whitwell practicing in shorts, shoulder pads and helmets. When I first saw it they looked like they were in pants as well. So when I stopped down the road I called a "longtime friend who follows sports" and asked them if they knew the date for full pads. They said that was Monday which is what I was already sure of. 2. That friend said they were pretty sure could go in shorts, shoulder pads and helmets this week. However they did not say they looked it up in the rules. 3. I then drove back to the school and looked from the parking lot and I saw shorts. No pants with pads, just shorts. 4. I then left and didn't think about it again until it came up in this thread. 5. I posted what I thought I knew about the rule in this thread and exactly what I saw. I wasn't trying to clear anyone's name. I was just trying to give the info I thought was correct. If the info I gave was wrong then I must be the first person in the history of the Internet to post something wrong. Me and the idiots that send around that "Bill Gates is giving away his money" email. Please feel free to tar and feather me. For the record....I did not call TSSAA. My expert is someone else. They also said they weren't positive but they were pretty sure shorts and pads were ok. They are not from Whitwell or Grundy County. They probably could care less if someone is doing something bad or not. They just have a great amount of knowledge about HS sports in TN and no it's not CoachT either. If the practice was against the rules then one of you can call it in. I've never called anything in and I'm not starting now. If they broke the rules then let the chips fall where they may. If Ronnie Carter asks me what I saw I'll tell him. I hope that's clear Guns. Now get off my back! DL. No. Not trying to pick a fight. Just don't understand why you are defending them so bad....thats all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelTavian Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 No. Not trying to pick a fight. Just don't understand why you are defending them so bad....thats all.... How on God's earth am I "defending them so bad?" I said what I saw. I thought I saw full pads and I even called someone to check about the rule. Then that person who I completely trust said he thought it was ok for shorts. If they're wrong then let them pay a price. If they're not wrong, they're not wrong. I was merely trying to provide some information. I looked last night on the TSSAA site and cannot find a clear rule that would tell one way or the other. So you guys fight it out. I'm not going to defend anyone cheating but I'm not going to pile on either if they haven't done anything wrong. DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonepirate Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 I looked last night on the TSSAA site and cannot find a clear rule that would tell one way or the other. Here you go Page 25 of the handbook, Article IV, Section 8, TSSAA Sports Calender, last line of the Football section End of Summer Dead Period until Monday, week of August 1.......15 days of practice (no pads) permitted, 10 of which may involve practice with another school(s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLivingLegend Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Some of these valley people must be getting a little worried about the Tigers to be taking note of us! The Tigers are doing nothing wrong, we just have a new coaching staff and a new attitude. Look out! Whitwell will be some what improved with their new coach, but not a major factor in 1-A. They may win a 3 seed in that region, but they will most likely be playing Gordonsville or Friendship first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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