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Dunlap is getting bigger everyday.... Do they reclassify the classes and regions in 2009? If so, I think Sequatchie will go to region 3-AAA....

 

 

These are rough numbers, without looking them up. The school was supposed to have had 630-640 last year, graduated about 120, that gives you at least 510 returners, pending any dropouts since school ended. Add 249 freshmen to that, and you get 759, easily 3A football. All the incoming classes from now on are supposed to number at least 250. Again, dropouts take out some of the numbers, some move away, but more seem to be moving in than leaving.

 

I wish they'd never stopped doing two year classification periods, too much can change in four years. Even with the growth, Sequatchie would still be 2A football this fall as the enrollments used are a year old. But in two years I'd say there's no doubt they'll be 3A football. With a two year system, you'd avoid situations like Walker Valley playing in AA in basketball, baseball and softball, football in 3A with 1200 students, doing very well in all of them, overall not doing so well since moving up with schools their size. You could have a school like Chattanooga Central drop to AA in winter and spring sports, they lost about 100 students and are now below some AA schools but they'll be AAA for the next two years. Fulton would be 4A in football this season with two-year classifications. I believe Rhea and Maryville, probably others, would be 5A.

 

To move up to Class AAA in winter and spring sports, I think Sequatchie would need about 1050, I can't see that in two years, and I think actually they'd take the number a year from now since any changes would be the year after that. Football might be short of 4A even if the numbers keep going up for each grade. Brainerd barely made the 4A football cutoff with 967 two years ago.

 

As for Meigs, Polk, Tellico moving down to 2A in football, I don't see it. I don't think they wanted to play in a region with Boyd-Buchanan. Someone in another topic said that's wrong, they just wanted better travel, but if that's true they would have moved into 3A several years ago, when the region was just Walker Valley, Grundy, Howard, Sequoyah and McMinn Central. That would have made a trip to Grundy every two years, a trip to Chattanooga every two years, and the rest of the region nearby games. Notre Dame will move up to 4A in football in two years due to the multiplier, if it's still in effect, as teams can only move up one class each classification period (that's another reason to have two year periods). They'll be gone from 3A, but Signal Mountain and East Brainerd will have teams soon and will need a class somewhere. Brainerd could also drop into 3A, they're already AA in basketball, and teams like Notre Dame and Fulton moving up could push them down. Chattanooga Christian is adding a team, and their multiplier enrollment is 729, so they'd also be 3A in football. It might make for another nine-region class, as was done for 2A. For those that don't know, Meigs, Polk, Tellico have 2A enrollments and are playing in 3A with East Ridge, Howard, Notre Dame, Sequoyah, McMinn Central and Grundy, not giving teams much room for non-region games.

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I know you wont name any names so tell us what the title is of this "expert". As bad as the TSSAA is at times I doubt very seriously that you could get anyone there to say something as ambiguous (sp) as that. No pads means NO PADS. Again, if they can wear shoulder pads, why do they not wear them in the 7-on-7 scrimmages? Yeah. I don't know either. I guess Whitwell is just the only ones in the state that knows and understands the rules. I would like for you to tell us what title this so-called expert holds so that it might lend a little credibility to his/her statement. Who knows, you may have just single-handedly revolutionized Tennessee High School Football. Coaches all over the state will be able to modify their off-season practices now because there is a whole lot more that you can do with shoulder pads on than you can do with just tees, shorts and helmets. I've always enjoyed reading your posts because you generally have good input, but this has got to be the biggest load of manure that I've ever read. You had to prowl through a lot of chicken houses in Grundy to come up with this crap! Whitwell was in pads a full week early. Nice attempt at defending them but it's going to take more than simple hearsay to clear their good (um, um) name.

 

 

Guns....you seem to want to pick a fight. You've also assumed a lot in your posts. Since you seem to have trouble understanding what I'm trying to say I'll break it down for you.

 

1. I did see with my own eyes yesterday afternoon Whitwell practicing in shorts, shoulder pads and helmets. When I first saw it they looked like they were in pants as well. So when I stopped down the road I called a "longtime friend who follows sports" and asked them if they knew the date for full pads. They said that was Monday which is what I was already sure of.

 

2. That friend said they were pretty sure could go in shorts, shoulder pads and helmets this week. However they did not say they looked it up in the rules.

 

3. I then drove back to the school and looked from the parking lot and I saw shorts. No pants with pads, just shorts.

 

4. I then left and didn't think about it again until it came up in this thread.

 

5. I posted what I thought I knew about the rule in this thread and exactly what I saw. I wasn't trying to clear anyone's name. I was just trying to give the info I thought was correct. If the info I gave was wrong then I must be the first person in the history of the Internet to post something wrong. Me and the idiots that send around that "Bill Gates is giving away his money" email. Please feel free to tar and feather me.

 

For the record....I did not call TSSAA. My expert is someone else. They also said they weren't positive but they were pretty sure shorts and pads were ok. They are not from Whitwell or Grundy County. They probably could care less if someone is doing something bad or not. They just have a great amount of knowledge about HS sports in TN and no it's not CoachT either.

 

If the practice was against the rules then one of you can call it in. I've never called anything in and I'm not starting now. If they broke the rules then let the chips fall where they may. If Ronnie Carter asks me what I saw I'll tell him.

 

I hope that's clear Guns. Now get off my back!

 

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This is a little offtopic, but the topic has already turned into who was wearing shoulder pads, when and is it wrong. This interested me, this is what the football classes would likely be this fall if they'd not gone to four-year periods.

 

1A

Oakdale 163

Gleason 166

Greenfield 169

Sunbright 179

Zion Christian 187

Temple 191

Pickett County 192

Red Boiling Springs 201

Copper Basin 208

Cloudland 218

Huntland 222

Bruceton 224

Greenback 226

Coalfield 227

Lookout Valley 233

Mt Juliet Christian 243

South Fulton 244

South Pittsburg 247

Clay County 249

Knoxville Grace 250

Clarksville Academy 256

Lake County 258

Midway 268

Cornersville 281

Moore County 286

Silverdale 297

Harriman 301

MTCS 308

Eagleville 310

Columbia Academy 313

Collinwood 324

Westside 326

Chattanooga Grace 326

Nashville Christian 328

McEwen 329

Perry County 336

Wayne County 339

White House Heritage 341

Whitwell 343

Gordonsville 345

Watertown 347

Unaka 348

Jellico 353

West Carroll 354;

Jo Byrns School 356

Middleton 356

Manassas 358

McKenzie 382

Halls 383

Mt Pleasant 385

TCA 385

Union City 391

Friendship 391

North Greene 400

Forrest 402

Huntingdon 407

Peabody 407

Cosby 411

Trousdale 414

 

2A

Fayette Academy 419

Cascade 422

Oneida

Houston Co.425

Wartburg 425

Dresden 432

Humboldt 433

East Robertson 436

Richland 441

Adamsville 442

Hampton 443

Decatur Co. Riverside 451

Jackson Christian 452

Rockwood 455

Westside 456

Alcoa 473

Marion Co. 478

Upperman 479

Treadwell 484

Oliver Springs 492

Jackson County 494

South Greene 497

Oakhaven 498

Ezell 502

FRA 502

Westmoreland 507

Meigs County 513

DCA 515

Tellico Plains 519

Loretto 526

Bledsoe Co. 532

Tyner 536

Lewis County 553

Memphis South Side 557

CPA 558

Chuckey-Doak 569

Polk Co. 569

Happy Valley 576

Sequatchie 578

Milan 577

Gatlinburg-Pittman 588

Camden 605

West Greene 608

Sweetwater 611

Cumberland Gap 618

Boyd-Buchanan 625

Westview 627

Harpeth 627

Carver 632

B. T. Washington 636

Smith Co. 644

Goodpasture 648

Waverly 653

Stewart Co.661

CAK 671

Grundy Co. 676

York 668

Frayser 672

Cheatham Co. 672

 

3A

Cannon Co. 674

Loudon 675

Kingston 677

USJ 680

Johnson Co. 683

Pearl Cohn 686

Austin-East 702

Sullivan North 703

Chester Co. 706

Scott 741

Gibson Co. 754

Unicoi Co. 754

Pigeon Forge 769

DeKalb County 771

Elizabethton 774

McNairy 775

Crockett County 778

Marshall County 779

Howard 797

McMinn Central 802

Claiborne County 804

Covington 807

Jackson South Side 807

Page 813

Rutledge 814

Macon Co. 820

Greenbrier 821

White House 827

Central-Merry 835

Greeneville 864

Sycamore 865

Bolivar 865

Gibbs 871

East Ridge 875

Spring Hill 875

Obion County 888

Union Co. 888

Sheffield 889

Livingston Academy 889

Carter 896

Ripley 900

Lexington 903

Station Camp 906

Haywood 911

Fayette Ware 911

Stone 920

Montgomery Central 927

Memphis East 939

Sequoyah 943

Mitchell 947

Lipscomb 947

Dyersburg 948

Brainerd 949

Hixson 957

Memphis Northside 960

Giles Co. 967

Creek Wood 971

Springfield 977

Fulton 982

 

4A

Knoxville Catholic 986

Sullivan East 989

Sullivan Central 999

Liberty 1,007

Chattanooga Central 1,009

Notre Dame 1010

Dyer County 1,014

Whites Creek 1,022

Stratford 1,036

Kingsbury 1,037

Jackson North Side 1,044

Portland 1,049

Anderson County 1,051

Maplewood 1,054

Hillcrest 1,056

Red Bank 1,074

Seymour 1,079

Trezevant 1,083

Knoxville Halls 1,085

Hickman Co. 1,108

Beech 1,109

Lawrence Co. 1,110

Volunteer 1,125

Powell 1,139

Cocke Co.1,142

Cleveland 1,146

Hardin Co. 1,159

Cherokee 1,160

Clinton 1,160

Kenwood 1,162

Shelbyville 1,172

Fairley 1,175

Tennessee 1,178

Lenoir City 1,183

Tullahoma 1,189

Cumberland Co. 1,200 (estimate due to Stone opening)

White Co. 1,205

Hillsboro 1,225

Daniel Boone 1,229

Northwest High School 1,234

Melrose 1,238

Raleigh Egypt 1,241

South Doyle 1,266

Munford 1,269

Knoxville Central 1,273

Kirby 1,281

Centennial 1,304

Morristown West 1,308

Brighton 1,310

Brentwood 1,311

Walker Valley 1,314

Morristown East 1,321

West High School 1,329

Memphis Central 1,333

Henry County 1,338

Glencliff 1,352

Rossview 1,356

Gallatin 1,358

Campbell Co.1,362

 

5A

Clarksville High School 1,362

McMinn County 1,363

Ravenwood 1,379

Maryville 1,381

Craigmont 1,387

Hendersonville 1,389

David Crockett 1,390

Hillwood 1,390

Rhea County 1,398

Oakland 1,409

Soddy-Daisy 1,425

Oak Ridge 1,433

Northeast 1,435

Dickson Co. 1,436

Heritage 1,449

Columbia 1,464

Mt. Juliet 1,465

Franklin County 1,498

Wilson Central 1,506

Independence 1,523

William Blount 1,539

Overton 1,551

Lincoln Co.1,552

Millington 1,557

Lebanon 1,564

Bradley Central 1,571

Wooddale 1,571

John Overton 1,572

Arlington 1,580

Ridgeway 1,589

Smyrna 1,594

Coffee County 1,597

Blackman 1,614

Bartlett 1,636

Sevier Co. 1,640

Franklin High School 1,715

Karns 1,735

Ooltewah 1,742

Siegel 1,753

Whitehaven 1,754

Dobyns Bennett 1,799

Warren County 1,802

LaVergne 1,826

Hunters Lane 1,869

Riverdale 1,943

Bearden 1,948

Germantown 1,987

Cookeville 2,004

Science Hill 2,031

Cordova 2,035

Jefferson Co. 2,047

Collierville 2,114

White Station 2,152

Farragut High School 2,153

Bolton 2,202

Houston 2,266

Antioch 2,373

McGavock 2,592

 

I was wrong by one position on Fulton. These are the latest figures from the TSSAA site, from 2006. Sequatchie's 630 would still have them in 2A. Here are what the other regions around Chattanooga would look like:

 

1A

Temple 191

Copper Basin 208

Lookout Valley 233

South Pittsburg 247

Silverdale 297

Chattanooga Grace 326

Whitwell 343

 

(no changes)

 

2A

Marion Co. 478

Meigs County 513

Tellico Plains 519

Bledsoe Co. 532

Tyner 536

Polk Co. 569

Sequatchie 578

Boyd-Buchanan 625

Grundy Co. 676

 

Grundy drops down, and this is before any potential move by Tellico, Polk and Meigs. Sequatchie should be above the actual cutoff by now but these are the numbers on the TSSAA site.

 

3A

Howard 797

McMinn Central 802

East Ridge 875

Sequoyah 943

Brainerd 949

Hixson 957

 

Before probable moves up by Polk, Tellico and Meigs, future additions of Sequatchie, Chattanooga Christian (adding a team) possible additions of Signal Mountain and East Brainerd in the future.

 

4A

Chattanooga Central 1,009

Notre Dame 1010

Red Bank 1,074

Cleveland 1,146

Cumberland Co. 1,200 (estimate due to Stone opening)

White Co. 1,205

Walker Valley 1,314

 

White and Cumberland might shift to another region, but White does plays 3-4A football already and Cumberland is 5AAA basketball.

 

5A

McMinn County 1,363

Rhea County 1,398

Soddy-Daisy 1,425

Bradley Central 1,571

Ooltewah 1,742

 

I've read Walker Valley should have enough to play 5A soon, that might give the Chattanooga area its own 5A region, help on travel for those teams and the Knoxville area teams. It might force a 9-region class like in 2A.

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Some of these valley people must be getting a little worried about the Tigers to be taking note of us! The Tigers are doing nothing wrong, we just have a new coaching staff and a new attitude.

 

 

Practicing in shoulder pads this week is against the rules, helmets only until Monday. The new staff better get a copy of the handbook before they get into real trouble. But honestly, I'm not I'm not concerned enough to bother RC with it

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These are rough numbers, without looking them up. The school was supposed to have had 630-640 last year, graduated about 120, that gives you at least 510 returners, pending any dropouts since school ended. Add 249 freshmen to that, and you get 759, easily 3A football. All the incoming classes from now on are supposed to number at least 250. Again, dropouts take out some of the numbers, some move away, but more seem to be moving in than leaving.

 

I wish they'd never stopped doing two year classification periods, too much can change in four years. Even with the growth, Sequatchie would still be 2A football this fall as the enrollments used are a year old. But in two years I'd say there's no doubt they'll be 3A football. With a two year system, you'd avoid situations like Walker Valley playing in AA in basketball, baseball and softball, football in 3A with 1200 students, doing very well in all of them, overall not doing so well since moving up with schools their size. You could have a school like Chattanooga Central drop to AA in winter and spring sports, they lost about 100 students and are now below some AA schools but they'll be AAA for the next two years. Fulton would be 4A in football this season with two-year classifications. I believe Rhea and Maryville, probably others, would be 5A.

 

To move up to Class AAA in winter and spring sports, I think Sequatchie would need about 1050, I can't see that in two years, and I think actually they'd take the number a year from now since any changes would be the year after that. Football might be short of 4A even if the numbers keep going up for each grade. Brainerd barely made the 4A football cutoff with 967 two years ago.

 

As for Meigs, Polk, Tellico moving down to 2A in football, I don't see it. I don't think they wanted to play in a region with Boyd-Buchanan. Someone in another topic said that's wrong, they just wanted better travel, but if that's true they would have moved into 3A several years ago, when the region was just Walker Valley, Grundy, Howard, Sequoyah and McMinn Central. That would have made a trip to Grundy every two years, a trip to Chattanooga every two years, and the rest of the region nearby games. Notre Dame will move up to 4A in football in two years due to the multiplier, if it's still in effect, as teams can only move up one class each classification period (that's another reason to have two year periods). They'll be gone from 3A, but Signal Mountain and East Brainerd will have teams soon and will need a class somewhere. Brainerd could also drop into 3A, they're already AA in basketball, and teams like Notre Dame and Fulton moving up could push them down. Chattanooga Christian is adding a team, and their multiplier enrollment is 729, so they'd also be 3A in football. It might make for another nine-region class, as was done for 2A. For those that don't know, Meigs, Polk, Tellico have 2A enrollments and are playing in 3A with East Ridge, Howard, Notre Dame, Sequoyah, McMinn Central and Grundy, not giving teams much room for non-region games.

 

indian, i am not sure where you got your freshmen info ? the 8th grade only had about 170 last year, not 249. what about this 250 for incoming classes from now on? from the 4th grade thru 8th grade the biggest class is 160.

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indian, i am not sure where you got your freshmen info ? the 8th grade only had about 170 last year, not 249. what about this 250 for incoming classes from now on? from the 4th grade thru 8th grade the biggest class is 160.

 

 

Sorry but Indian is correct, Its on the front page of the local paper in black and white they just finished up construction on whole new wings to both the High School and elementary school and the school board is already planning down the road in a couple of years for a new school that would house certain grades from the middle school I think.

 

According to the Superintendent the new wing was added just to facilitate this and future incoming freshmen classes, which includes 249 students this fall. The superintendent says that is the largest incoming freshmen class ever at the high school. I haven't seen the projection for the middle school but in an interview with the elementary school principle she says the school is expecting a record enrollment of 960 students.

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I'd expect the superintendent to know the numbers. I was guessing about 675 for the high school this year. I thought the entering freshman class last year was around 210 and he says this new group is the largest. All of it will be finalized when they turn in their numbers to the state, I believe 10 days after school starts. The main point in all of that, as far as it relates to sports, there's little doubt they'll be in 3A in football in two years, and even if it's 250 in each freshman class, the dropout number would probably keep them in AA in winter and spring sports. Some years in some sports, the AA district around Chattanooga is better than or as good as the the AAA district.

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Guns....you seem to want to pick a fight. You've also assumed a lot in your posts. Since you seem to have trouble understanding what I'm trying to say I'll break it down for you.

 

1. I did see with my own eyes yesterday afternoon Whitwell practicing in shorts, shoulder pads and helmets. When I first saw it they looked like they were in pants as well. So when I stopped down the road I called a "longtime friend who follows sports" and asked them if they knew the date for full pads. They said that was Monday which is what I was already sure of.

 

2. That friend said they were pretty sure could go in shorts, shoulder pads and helmets this week. However they did not say they looked it up in the rules.

 

3. I then drove back to the school and looked from the parking lot and I saw shorts. No pants with pads, just shorts.

 

4. I then left and didn't think about it again until it came up in this thread.

 

5. I posted what I thought I knew about the rule in this thread and exactly what I saw. I wasn't trying to clear anyone's name. I was just trying to give the info I thought was correct. If the info I gave was wrong then I must be the first person in the history of the Internet to post something wrong. Me and the idiots that send around that "Bill Gates is giving away his money" email. Please feel free to tar and feather me.

 

For the record....I did not call TSSAA. My expert is someone else. They also said they weren't positive but they were pretty sure shorts and pads were ok. They are not from Whitwell or Grundy County. They probably could care less if someone is doing something bad or not. They just have a great amount of knowledge about HS sports in TN and no it's not CoachT either.

 

If the practice was against the rules then one of you can call it in. I've never called anything in and I'm not starting now. If they broke the rules then let the chips fall where they may. If Ronnie Carter asks me what I saw I'll tell him.

 

I hope that's clear Guns. Now get off my back!

 

DL.

 

No. Not trying to pick a fight. Just don't understand why you are defending them so bad....thats all....

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No. Not trying to pick a fight. Just don't understand why you are defending them so bad....thats all....

 

 

How on God's earth am I "defending them so bad?" I said what I saw. I thought I saw full pads and I even called someone to check about the rule. Then that person who I completely trust said he thought it was ok for shorts.

 

If they're wrong then let them pay a price. If they're not wrong, they're not wrong. I was merely trying to provide some information.

 

I looked last night on the TSSAA site and cannot find a clear rule that would tell one way or the other. So you guys fight it out. I'm not going to defend anyone cheating but I'm not going to pile on either if they haven't done anything wrong.

 

DL.

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I looked last night on the TSSAA site and cannot find a clear rule that would tell one way or the other.

 

 

Here you go

Page 25 of the handbook, Article IV, Section 8, TSSAA Sports Calender, last line of the Football section

 

End of Summer Dead Period until Monday, week of August 1.......15 days of practice (no pads) permitted, 10 of which may

involve practice with another school(s).

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Some of these valley people must be getting a little worried about the Tigers to be taking note of us! The Tigers are doing nothing wrong, we just have a new coaching staff and a new attitude.

 

Look out!

 

 

Whitwell will be some what improved with their new coach, but not a major factor in 1-A. They may win a 3 seed in that region, but they will most likely be playing Gordonsville or Friendship first round.

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