Indian Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 It was on the agenda for the meeting held the other day, I don't think there would have been any action taken but does anyone know what was discussed. I never saw a report on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCHSCoach Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I hear the z-plan is getting a lot of play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBandJ Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Here is a quick video from two Tennessean sports writers: http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articl.../VIDEO/80115148 And I agree with them. Soon, my child will be able to claim a state championship for being the state champ of schools that originate from a town that uses two words for the town name! (Mount Juliet) And sadly - my tongue isn't quite all the way in my cheek either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indian Posted January 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 I am not surprised the rural-city thing is being discussed, I posted on here a couple of months ago there was some legitimate talk about it. For those that don't watch the video, there was discussion-no action-on possibly classifying the teams either rural or urban, and from there going by size. The big question would be deciding on some schools with both urban and rural characteristics. Lots of schools are officially in metro areas but certainly aren't in big cities, and then you have some schools in areas much more rural than others, Van Buren and nearby White County are examples. A total split with public and private schools would be much more reasonable, especially since most of your private schools would be cut off from the rural schools anyway with this plan. I do think it's a good idea to add a volleyball classification for A schools. I saw Sale Creek with about 125 students having to face 900-950 student schools such as Hixson and East Ridge in the district tournament the last couple of years, there's no reason for that. They said it would water down the competition and make for a bad level of play but I don't see it, Grace and Boyd-Buchanan were the top finishing local teams around here in A/AA and Grace would be in the A classification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antwan Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 I am not surprised the rural-city thing is being discussed, I posted on here a couple of months ago there was some legitimate talk about it. For those that don't watch the video, there was discussion-no action-on possibly classifying the teams either rural or urban, and from there going by size. The big question would be deciding on some schools with both urban and rural characteristics. Lots of schools are officially in metro areas but certainly aren't in big cities, and then you have some schools in areas much more rural than others, Van Buren and nearby White County are examples. A total split with public and private schools would be much more reasonable, especially since most of your private schools would be cut off from the rural schools anyway with this plan. A while back I posted which schools I'd consider urban and rural, when it was being talked about. I'll look for it later and post it again since it's getting TSSAA consideration now. I do think it's a good idea to add a volleyball classification for A schools. I saw Sale Creek with about 125 students having to face 900-950 student schools such as Hixson and East Ridge in the district tournament the last couple of years, there's no reason for that. They said it would water down the competition and make for a bad level of play but I don't see it, Grace and Boyd-Buchanan were the top finishing local teams around here in A/AA and Grace would be in the A classification. I don't think the rural/urban thing matters in larger schools. It's in 1a and 2a where it matters most. Also...I would think the number of classes won't necessarily increase. They may lump urban public schools with urban private schools. I would think that will be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indian Posted January 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Here is what I came up with very quickly for football playing schools. These are before multpliers which might get thrown out if such as drastic change takes place. No doubt there are some that would belong in the opposite group than what I came up with. If you go by all rural including current 5A, I counted 157 in rural and 145 in urban. If you cut it off and include only current 1A, 2A and 3A rural, it's changed by about 35 schools. It would be hard to include the likes of Cookeville or Warren County in a three-class rural division since the division is so heavy with smaller schools. Some of those large schools might not want to be divided anyway. If you divided the rural schools I came up with into three equal groups, the cutoffs would be roughly Humboldt at 433, Claiborne at 804, everyone higher in 3A. Rural: Zion Christian 104 Oakdale 163 Gleason 166 Greenfield 169 Columbia Academy 174 Sunbright 179 Pickett County 192 Red Boiling Springs 201 Copper Basin 208 Friendship Christian 217 Cloudland 218 Huntland 222 Bruceton 224 Greenback 226 Coalfield 227 South Fulton 244 South Pittsburg 247 Clay County 249 Lake County 258 Midway 268 Cornersville 281 Moore County 286 Harriman 301 Eagleville 310 Collinwood 324 McEwen 329 Perry County 336 Wayne County 339 White House Heritage 341 Whitwell 343 Gordonsville 345 Watertown 347 Unaka 348 Jellico 353 West Carroll 354 Jo Byrns School 356 Middleton 356 McKenzie 382 Halls 383 Mt Pleasant 385 Union City 391 North Greene 400 Forrest 402 Huntingdon 407 Peabody 407 Cosby 411 Trousdale 414 Cascade 422 Oneida 424 Houston Co.425 Wartburg 425 Dresden 432 Humboldt 433 East Robertson 436 Richland 441 Adamsville 442 Hampton 443 Decatur Co. Riverside 451 Rockwood 455 Marion Co. 478 Upperman 479 Oliver Springs 492 Jackson County 494 South Greene 497 Westmoreland 507 Meigs County 513 Tellico Plains 519 Loretto 526 Bledsoe Co. 532 Lewis County 553 Chuckey-Doak 568 Polk Co. 569 Happy Valley 576 Milan 577 Sequatchie 578 Gatlinburg-Pittman 588 Camden 605 West Greene 608 Sweetwater 611 Cumberland Gap 618 Harpeth 627 Smith Co. 644 Waverly 653 Stewart Co.661 York 668 Cheatham Co. 672 Cannon Co. 674 Loudon 675 Grundy Co. 676 Kingston 677 Johnson Co. 683 Sullivan North 703 Chester Co. 706 Scott 741 Gibson Co. 754 Unicoi Co. 754 Pigeon Forge 769 DeKalb County 771 Elizabethton 774 McNairy 775 Crockett County 778 Marshall County 779 McMinn Central 802 Claiborne County 804 Covington 807 Rutledge 814 Macon Co. 820 Greenbrier 821 White House 827 Greeneville 864 Sycamore 865 Bolivar 865 Spring Hill 875 Obion County 888 Union Co. 888 Livingston Academy 889 Ripley 900 Lexington 903 Haywood 911 Stone 920 Montgomery Central 927 Sequoyah 943 Dyersburg 948 Giles Co. 967 Springfield 977 Dyer County 1,014 Portland 1,049 Seymour 1,079 Hickman Co. 1,108 Lawrence Co. 1,110 Volunteer 1,125 Cocke Co.1,142 Hardin Co. 1,159 Cherokee 1,160 Shelbyville 1,172 Tennessee 1,178 Lenoir City 1,183 Tullahoma 1,189 Cumberland Co. 1,200 (estimate after losing students to Stone) White Co. 1,205 Daniel Boone 1,229 Munford 1,269 Henry County 1,338 Campbell Co.1,362 McMinn County 1,363 David Crockett 1,390 Rhea County 1,398 Dickson Co. 1,436 Columbia 1,464 Franklin County 1,498 Lincoln Co.1,552 Lebanon 1,564 Coffee County 1,597 Sevier Co. 1,640 Warren County 1,802 Cookeville 2,004 Jefferson Co. 2,047 In the urban division, 21 of the first 25 would be private schools so you're basically splitting the top small private programs from the small publics anyway. Urban: David Brainerd 89 Temple 106 Mt Juliet Christian 135 Knoxville Grace 139 Clarksville Academy 142 Silverdale Academy 165 MTCS 171 Chattanooga Grace 181 Nashville Christian 182 Trinity Christian 214 Lookout Valley 233 Fayette Academy 233 Jackson Christian 251 Ezell Harding 279 Franklin Road Academy 279 Donelson Christian 286 CPA 310 Boyd-Buchanan 347 Manassas 358 Goodpasture 360 CAK 373 USJ 378 Chattanooga Christian 405 (starting a team) Westside 456 Alcoa 473 Treadwell 484 Oliver Springs 492 Oakhaven 498 Lipscomb 526 Tyner 536 Knoxville Catholic 548 Memphis South Side 557 Notre Dame 561 Carver 632 B. T. Washington 636 Frayser 672 Pearl Cohn 686 Austin-East 702 Sullivan North 703 Howard 797 Covington 807 Jackson South Side 807 Page 813 Central-Merry 835 Sycamore 865 Bolivar 865 Gibbs 871 East Ridge 875 Sheffield 889 Carter 896 Station Camp 906 Haywood 911 Fayette Ware 911 Memphis East 939 Mitchell 947 Brainerd 949 Hixson 957 Memphis Northside 960 Creek Wood 971 Fulton 982 Sullivan East 989 Sullivan Central 999 Liberty 1,007 Chattanooga Central 1,009 Whites Creek 1,022 Stratford 1,036 Kingsbury 1,037 Jackson North Side 1,044 Anderson County 1,051 Maplewood 1,054 Hillcrest 1,056 Red Bank 1,074 Trezevant 1,083 Knoxville Halls 1,085 Beech 1,109 Powell 1,139 Cleveland 1,146 Clinton 1,160 Kenwood 1,162 Fairley 1,175 Hillsboro 1,225 Northwest High School 1,234 Melrose 1,238 Raleigh Egypt 1,241 South Doyle 1,266 Munford 1,269 Knoxville Central 1,273 Kirby 1,281 Centennial 1,304 Morristown West 1,308 Brighton 1,310 Brentwood 1,311 Walker Valley 1,314 Morristown East 1,321 West High School 1,329 Memphis Central 1,333 Glencliff 1,352 Rossview 1,356 Gallatin 1,358 Clarksville High School 1,362 Ravenwood 1,379 Maryville 1,381 Craigmont 1,387 Hendersonville 1,389 David Crockett 1,390 Hillwood 1,390 Oakland 1,409 Soddy-Daisy 1,425 Oak Ridge 1,433 Northeast 1,435 Heritage 1,449 Mt. Juliet 1,465 Wilson Central 1,506 Independence 1,523 William Blount 1,539 Overton 1,551 Millington 1,557 Bradley Central 1,571 Wooddale 1,571 John Overton 1,572 Arlington 1,580 Ridgeway 1,589 Smyrna 1,594 Blackman 1,614 Bartlett 1,636 Franklin High School 1,715 Karns 1,735 Ooltewah 1,742 Siegel 1,753 Whitehaven 1,754 Dobyns Bennett 1,799 LaVergne 1,826 Hunters Lane 1,869 Riverdale 1,943 Bearden 1,948 Germantown 1,987 Science Hill 2,031 Cordova 2,035 Collierville 2,114 White Station 2,152 Farragut High School 2,153 Bolton 2,202 Houston 2,266 Antioch 2,373 McGavock 2,592 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indian Posted January 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 In this area, such groupings might result in regions like these: Chattanooga-Cleveland area regions: (using all "rural" schools, cutoffs at roughly 450 and 800) 1A: Copper Basin 208, South Pittsburg 247, Whitwell 343 2A: Marion Co. 478, Meigs County 513, Tellico Plains 519, Bledsoe Co. 532, Polk Co. 569, Sequatchie 578, Grundy Co. 676, McMinn Central 802 3A: Stone 920, Sequoyah 943, Cumberland Co. 1,200, McMinn County 1,363, Rhea County 1,398 using only current 1A, 2A and 3A rural schools: Three classes, cutoffs at roughly 400 and 670 1A: Copper Basin, South Pittsburg, Whitwell 2A: Marion, Meigs, Tellico, Bledsoe, Polk, Sequatchie 3A: Grundy, Stone, McMinn Central, Sequoyah Around here, I could see Whitwell and South Pittsburg moving up a class to join old rivals Marion, Sequatchie, Bledsoe and possibly Grundy. Otherwise they might be sent to a region with Moore County and other midstate teams. Copper Basin might have to do that as well since there would be nobody else in their region. That might give you two area regions, one east of Chattanooga and one west. You could also use other numbers and not necessarily put equal amounts of teams in each class, say a cutoff of 350 and another of 600. I think you'd definitely have to have set cutoff numbers and not go by numbers of teams, in the urban class, as having three equal amounts would make the smallest class go up to about 800 enrollment. Just a guess, maybe to 400 in 1A, up to 1000 in 2A. That would make the urban regions around here look something like this: 1A: David Brainerd 89, Temple 106, Chattanooga Grace 181, Lookout Valley 233 Boyd-Buchanan 347, Chattanooga Christian 405 (starting a team), Signal Mountain (starting team) 2A: Tyner 536, Notre Dame 561, Howard 797, East Ridge 875, Brainerd 949, Hixson 957, Chattanooga Central 1,009 3A: Red Bank 1,074, Cleveland 1,146, Walker Valley 1,314, Soddy-Daisy 1,425, Bradley Central 1,571, Ooltewah 1,742 Anyone in other areas can look at these numbers and get a rough idea of what their own regions might look like. Right now it's all just being talked about but who knows what might happen later. If this went into effect in football I'd like to see it for the other sports. It would help lots of schools with numbers attending games, too many times the school here will have a ton attending road basketball games in Chattanooga, often outnumbering the host, and some of those same schools literally bring about 5-10 people here not counting players or cheerleaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBandJ Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Wow! I woke up this morning to a barrage of posts that act like the rural-urban thing is a good thing. Nothing quite like 12 state football champs to dumb-down or wimp-down what being a true state champion means. /thumb[1].gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumb:" border="0" alt="thumb[1].gif" /> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigG Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 I think the most ironic thing about this, is that about 3 years ago, so many people said "watch out, next will be an urban and rural split"... What's next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indian Posted January 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Wow! I woke up this morning to a barrage of posts that act like the rural-urban thing is a good thing. Nothing quite like 12 state football champs to dumb-down or wimp-down what being a true state champion means. /thumb[1].gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":thumb:" border="0" alt="thumb[1].gif" /> I didn't necessarily say it was a good thing, only showing what it might look like. It would help attendance for some schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antwan Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 I think the most ironic thing about this, is that about 3 years ago, so many people said "watch out, next will be an urban and rural split"... What's next? Next will be what should have happened already...a total public/private split. Multiply open zone/tuition paying schools. You can then forget the urban/rural thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indian Posted January 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 The rural-urban divisions would in effect be a public-private split anyway, so why not go ahead and do it? In the smallest urban class, if it went to 400 like I was guessing, you'd have Lookout Valley and Manassas as the only public schools. If it went to 500 you'd have only four or five more and one of those, Alcoa, I'm guessing would move up to play more local teams such as Fulton or Austin-East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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