Riverdale

[BurroBall]

This lack of knowledge about DEFENSE was really bad this year when Coach A made the QB coach the DC!

 

 

I'll be honest, I am surprised to hear that Hemontolor is the DC because he was the QB/LB/OC at HHS. However, in my opinion, I would trust Hemontolor running the defense because he knows how to coach LB's and he knows what Aydelott expects.

 

Also, Aydelott may have been running the Wing-T when he arrived two years ago, but he isn't running that anymore based on the game I saw on TV against WC. The Wing-T Aydelott ran at HHS NEVER lined up in the shotgun and if they threw the ball more than once in a single game, you had just witnessed something abnormal. From what I gather, he and Hemontolor have kept the same basic principles of the Wing-T, but they have abandoned it in some ways as well.

 

In order for the Wing-T to be successful, Riverdale will HAVE to have superior talent to it's opposition (see HHS under Aydelott). That superior talent HAS to out-execute the opposition. There is nothing more complicated to it than that. Good luck to ya'll!

[TDCman]

Hillsboro has thrived and won a championship since Aydelott left.

 

Oakland has won a championship with the coach's that Aydelott ran off.

 

Riverdale has been in a steady decline since Aydelott arrived.

 

Anybody notice a pattern?

 

To LOD's post, let me add special teams along with the defensive problems. You will never convince me that you can win a state championship with the wingT without defense and special teams as part of the formula. I don't think Aydelott sees any further than the offensive line. He's a fine OL coach but he lacks the organizational skills to be a head coach at this level and in a league this tough.

[SwamiSays]

Hillsboro has thrived and won a championship since Aydelott left.

 

Oakland has won a championship with the coach's that Aydelott ran off.

 

Riverdale has been in a steady decline since Aydelott arrived.

 

Anybody notice a pattern?

 

To LOD's post, let me add special teams along with the defensive problems. You will never convince me that you can win a state championship with the wingT without defense and special teams as part of the formula. I don't think Aydelott sees any further than the offensive line. He's a fine OL coach but he lacks the organizational skills to be a head coach at this level and in a league this tough.

 

 

Prior to Aydelott, Hillsboro- not so good.

Prior to "fans" bad mouthing wing t and giving athletes reasons to go to Oakland and Smyrna, both teams-not so good.

After people, especially on this site, state that the wing t doesnt showcase individual talent, Smyrna and Oakland reap the benefit and win 3 state championships that could have belonged to Riverdale.

Chasing away talent chases away Championships. Did the talent leave Rutherford County? Nope. Did it leave Riverdale? Yep...why? Because a proven state championship winning coach came to town, or because the "fans" have run down an offense very chance they had? Duh...anyone with a brain see the pattern here? The talent is in the county, obviously.

Who chased it away? Not a coach who wants to win. But definitely "fans" who want a different offense and a different coach. You ran off the wrong people. The athletes. Guess who is still there? Oops...would that be Aydelott?

All your bad mouthing has caused most of these losses, no matter what you say about special teams and defenses. Why would kids want to play where there is such disrespect and animosity shown by the "fans"? In this county, its proven that they wont. They will just go to another county school where they dont have these issues and win their championships there.

Many of you are the very cause of this and too blind and too weak to admit it.

I'm done with this. I've proven you wrong at every turn and your egos wont let you admit that you are wrong and created most of this.

Word of advice that I know none of you will take; If you wont say it to a man's face, dont say it behind his back. By doing so, you are showing kids an example of who you are. And if you are a parent, you are showing your own kids what they too have bred in them. And once you show that petty weakness, they never forget it in you and they always question if it is in them as well. Once they start with the self doubt, they are beaten on the field when it gets tough.

You have planted your own seeds of doubt to destroy a program. Nice job. It doesnt matter who the coach is. Its called self fulfilling prophecy. You said the wing t couoldnt win and you made your athletes believe it too.

Nice job and shame on you for costing a fine program so much and costing these kids a true shot at success.

Ok, now fire back at how its all Aydelott's fault. But everyone else around the state knows what the real problem is. You have brought shame on yourself and an entire community. Aydelott didnt breed them and he didnt raise them. And he couldnt change them because of naysayers just like you. And yet you still want to blame him.

I'm done with this thread. I got into an argument with those lacking the ability to engage in true debate. Blind ignorance is hard to argue with, thats for sure.

That's ok. The rest of the state is laughing at you and not Aydelott. They are also thankful to you. You made R'Dale beatable. Lack of breeding, lack of athletes, lack of personal responsibility, lack of self motivation...yeah, those are all the coaches fault. Right.

[TDCman]

Prior to Aydelott, Hillsboro- not so good.

Prior to "fans" bad mouthing wing t and giving athletes reasons to go to Oakland and Smyrna, both teams-not so good.

After people, especially on this site, state that the wing t doesnt showcase individual talent, Smyrna and Oakland reap the benefit and win 3 state championships that could have belonged to Riverdale.

Chasing away talent chases away Championships. Did the talent leave Rutherford County? Nope. Did it leave Riverdale? Yep...why? Because a proven state championship winning coach came to town, or because the "fans" have run down an offense very chance they had? Duh...anyone with a brain see the pattern here? The talent is in the county, obviously.

Who chased it away? Not a coach who wants to win. But definitely "fans" who want a different offense and a different coach. You ran off the wrong people. The athletes. Guess who is still there? Oops...would that be Aydelott?

All your bad mouthing has caused most of these losses, no matter what you say about special teams and defenses. Why would kids want to play where there is such disrespect and animosity shown by the "fans"? In this county, its proven that they wont. They will just go to another county school where they dont have these issues and win their championships there.

Many of you are the very cause of this and too blind and too weak to admit it.

I'm done with this. I've proven you wrong at every turn and your egos wont let you admit that you are wrong and created most of this.

Word of advice that I know none of you will take; If you wont say it to a man's face, dont say it behind his back. By doing so, you are showing kids an example of who you are. And if you are a parent, you are showing your own kids what they too have bred in them. And once you show that petty weakness, they never forget it in you and they always question if it is in them as well. Once they start with the self doubt, they are beaten on the field when it gets tough.

You have planted your own seeds of doubt to destroy a program. Nice job. It doesnt matter who the coach is. Its called self fulfilling prophecy. You said the wing t couoldnt win and you made your athletes believe it too.

Nice job and shame on you for costing a fine program so much and costing these kids a true shot at success.

Ok, now fire back at how its all Aydelott's fault. But everyone else around the state knows what the real problem is. You have brought shame on yourself and an entire community. Aydelott didnt breed them and he didnt raise them. And he couldnt change them because of naysayers just like you. And yet you still want to blame him.

I'm done with this thread. I got into an argument with those lacking the ability to engage in true debate. Blind ignorance is hard to argue with, thats for sure.

That's ok. The rest of the state is laughing at you and not Aydelott. They are also thankful to you. You made R'Dale beatable. Lack of breeding, lack of athletes, lack of personal responsibility, lack of self motivation...yeah, those are all the coaches fault. Right.

 

 

Swami,

Rather than prove anyone wrong I think your posts have proven most of us right. Go back and read some of the things you have posted. If the personna generated by the coaching staff can't absolutely overwhelm 2 posters on the internet then the staff needs to work up a little more mojo. The point is that this staff doesn't.

 

I said 2 posters because you will not find any of my posts that say I don't like the wing-t. I've said repeatedly I like a ball control offense. However, a ball control offense requires a strong defense and good special teans in order to control field position and take advantage of scoring opportunities. If Riverdale approached everything about the team the same way they do the offensive line this discussion would not be here at all.

 

I honestly do not feel that this coaching staff did everything they could have done to put the best possible team on the field. I would be very open to hearing of anything extra this staff did to address any perceived weaknesses.

[Lost Old Dad]

I'll be honest, I am surprised to hear that Hemontolor is the DC because he was the QB/LB/OC at HHS. However, in my opinion, I would trust Hemontolor running the defense because he knows how to coach LB's and he knows what Aydelott expects.

 

Also, Aydelott may have been running the Wing-T when he arrived two years ago, but he isn't running that anymore based on the game I saw on TV against WC. The Wing-T Aydelott ran at HHS NEVER lined up in the shotgun and if they threw the ball more than once in a single game, you had just witnessed something abnormal. From what I gather, he and Hemontolor have kept the same basic principles of the Wing-T, but they have abandoned it in some ways as well.

 

In order for the Wing-T to be successful, Riverdale will HAVE to have superior talent to it's opposition (see HHS under Aydelott). That superior talent HAS to out-execute the opposition. There is nothing more complicated to it than that. Good luck to ya'll!

 

 

That game was NOT the norm. It was desperation time. You could tell it wasn't normal in the fact that most of the O line didn't even know how to pass block effectively and the QB spent most of his time running for his life.

 

I thought the WingT was suppose to let you compete with LESS than stellar talent?

 

Swami, it is NOT just the things that are happening on the field. Prime example is the reason that R'dale does NOT have the indoor facility that was going to be GIVEN to them for NOTHING that wasn't followed up on by Coach A or anyone he could have designated to handle it. As to bashing the WingT, all some of us did was ask if we were EVER going to pass again.

 

The attention to details is greatly lacking both on and off the field. This years record is solely on Coach A's shoulders as this was his and only his team. Result: We did NOT make the playoffs for the first time in a BUNCH of years! While he may have been great at Hillsboro, R'dale is NOT Hillsboro.

[BurroBall]

That game was NOT the norm. It was desperation time. You could tell it wasn't normal in the fact that most of the O line didn't even know how to pass block effectively and the QB spent most of his time running for his life.

 

I thought the WingT was suppose to let you compete with LESS than stellar talent?

 

While he may have been great at Hillsboro, R'dale is NOT Hillsboro.

 

 

 

Thanks, that explains a LOT. My mouth about hit the floor when I saw an Aydelott/Hemontolor coached team running out of the SHOTGUN!

 

You are correct, the theory is that the Wing-T, being a ball control offense, is to help you compete with less talent. However, it is unlikely Riverdale will see many (if any) STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS under the Wing-T unless you have SUPERIOR talent. See HHS-Maryville games in 2001 and 2002. HHS had superior talent and HHS's staff were still outcoached.

 

You are correct HHS is NOT Riverdale. HHS under Aydelott would regularly destroy fellow Metro-Nashville schools and rural county schools during the regular season and first 3 rounds of the 4A playoffs. They would beat Melrose or Memphis East teams in the semifinals by being equally talented, but playing more disciplined and having a better kicking game. Real simple.

 

Sounds like a very difficult situation for ya'll....good luck with how ya'll deal with it.

[Lost Old Dad]

Isn't Hillsboro open zoned? If it is that may have helped a BUNCH!

 

I promised a man I have great admiration for I would NOT put down 'Metro' ball anymore, and I am not because the coaches there have to do more than just coach. They have to be politicians, peace keepers, and scroungers of the first class just to keep some of the programs going. Any that stay and Coach in Metro are to be admired as most of them are in a no win situation.

 

Thing is when they do escape they have to realize that simply having a winning season does NOT cut it at some of the suburban schools. They EXPECT to win and do it CONSTANTLY. R'dale is one of these. So is Oak Ridge and a couple of others I could name.

 

I am also not saying Coach A should be fired, but a major shakeup of his philosophy and STAFF is in order. If it takes moving the HC out, so be it. No matter what folks say about the talent being down there is a BUNCH of really good coaches in the world that would love to come to R'dale.

 

My recommendations:

 

1. Hire a REAL defensive specialist to run the defense.

 

2. Have the O line coach teach the kids how to pass block as you may need it sometime. ie. the WC game!

 

3. Actually look at options other than run run run! The pass to the TE coming off the line WAS successful!

 

4. Schedule TOUGHER opposition. While the Coach at Antioch maybe a friend they were really NO challenge.

 

5. Special teams need a BUNCH of work! Also have TWO place kickers so we won't be in the shape Oakland was when theirs was hurt.

 

6. While the push and shove is in vogue, actually wrapping up tackles works much better!

 

7. Coach the ENTIRE 48 minutes. While laughter is good, it has NO place on the sidelines when you are LOSING! Also coaching is NOT just for practice. You can learn alot by actually talking to the players on the sidelines during the game.

 

Coach 'if' you are reading this and it makes you mad then GOOD! Now take that fire and transfer it to the kids as it will probably make them better players!

[BurroBall]

Isn't Hillsboro open zoned? If it is that may have helped a BUNCH!

 

I promised a man I have great admiration for I would NOT put down 'Metro' ball anymore, and I am not because the coaches there have to do more than just coach. They have to be politicians, peace keepers, and scroungers of the first class just to keep some of the programs going. Any that stay and Coach in Metro are to be admired as most of them are in a no win situation.

 

 

You are correct HHS's open enrollment status began in 2003 or 2004, but I can't remember when for sure. It certainly provides great advantages to the school all around....athletically, academically, etc.

 

Also, you are correct about football coaching in MNPS. However, HHS is the one program that consistently overcomes the MNPS obstacles. Of course, it doesn't hurt that JT Moore, the main feeder for HHS, has the best middle school football program in the city of Nashville on a regular basis.

[Lost Old Dad]

Anybody besides me that thinks we REALLY need to get Coach Elrod and his 'Hybrid' WingT at Riverdale?

[bigpurpledawg81]

Anybody besides me that thinks we REALLY need to get Coach Elrod and his 'Hybrid' WingT at Riverdale?

 

I think Coach Elrod would be a good fit if the Warriors can learn some discipline i.e. fumbles, tackling and special teams. The discipline has to come from the top. It's going to get tougher and tougher in the new district next season especially with the school board re-zoning Riverdale and Siegel to balance the student numbers. I saw in the DNJ where RHS could have a many as 450 kids rezoned or as little as 200. And with all the recruiting coaches now at Oakland more of your kids will TRY to leave. Good luck LOD.

[riverdaleman]

Anybody besides me that thinks we REALLY need to get Coach Elrod and his 'Hybrid' WingT at Riverdale?

 

no

[tdntn]

Hillsboro has thrived and won a championship since Aydelott left.

 

Oakland has won a championship with the coach's that Aydelott ran off.

 

Riverdale has been in a steady decline since Aydelott arrived.

 

Anybody notice a pattern?

 

to add to this, how about 3 gold balls for Rankin at Alcoa all 3 years since he left. when oakland wasnt winning them, it was riverdale's other largest rival, smyrna, to add insult to injury

 

and SwamiSays, i think you had good intention with your post, but its completely wrong, up and down. i have no problem with the coaches (good men), rather their coachING, or lack of. i've seen it, and thats my biggest problem.

 

i dont support the wingt but neither do i strongly oppose it, my stance is pretty neutral. however, i strongly oppose the lack of a balanced offense, everyone knows passing opens up the run and running opens up the pass. i also strongly oppose the lack of adjustments in games especially when you pretty much get dominated in the first half and have a designated time between halves to work on adjustments, i think you should use it...or at least change your play calling in the second half.