Is anyone investigating Williamson County volleyball

[pagefan]

Does anyone know whether the ties to club-coaching-and facilities are being investigated in Williamson County?

[dennga]

Just wondering why TSSAA allows Williamson County special rules ie able to go to any school without living in that district. How can that be fair? Why has this never been challenged?

[BruinBabe]

Whats to challenge? If your county wants to make this rule so what. It is none of the TSSAA's business.

 

Brentwood is TN volleyball. Period.

 

All we did was follow the model used in Louisville. You can't get better if you don't commit to playing club. Simple.

 

Does anybody complain about AAU travel teams? If parents and booster clubs want to raise money to hire club coaches (real coaches) that is the teams business. Why would you not want to play at a school where you win, and play for coaches who know the sport? Colleges can pay whatever they want for a coach. This is the teams money, and if they want to hire real coaches too bad.

[coachjs]

So is your argument that the only coaches in this state with any knowledge of how to coach are club coaches and the rest of us are just a bunch of jokes.

[BruinBabe]

Not jokes, just not real volleyball coaches. Most non-club coaches are PE teachers, or teach some other subject, but never played volleyball. It is what it is. Look at a successful high school team and you will find a club coach that teaches the volleyball.

[dennga]

Whats to challenge? If your county wants to make this rule so what. It is none of the TSSAA's business.

 

Brentwood is TN volleyball. Period.

 

All we did was follow the model used in Louisville. You can't get better if you don't commit to playing club. Simple.

 

Does anybody complain about AAU travel teams? If parents and booster clubs want to raise money to hire club coaches (real coaches) that is the teams business. Why would you not want to play at a school where you win, and play for coaches who know the sport? Colleges can pay whatever they want for a coach. This is the teams money, and if they want to hire real coaches too bad.

 

 

 

The way I see it was that TSSAA was all that and it ruled the WHOLE STATE not select counties. Why should one county then get to play with the other districts if they are not abiding by the same rules???

 

I don't think my post had anything to do with travel teams. Mine was TSSAA with high school.

[coachjs]

Well I appreciate that after 10 years of success coaching high school volleyball with few club players on my teams and consistently building strong programs that I am by your standards unsuccessful as are many other schools in this state whose programs are run by non club coaches. If you spend any time as a coach you will learn that successful coaching is more than just a knowledge of the game but also about how to coach and motivate.

[CheckerboardEndzones]

Just wondering why TSSAA allows Williamson County special rules ie able to go to any school without living in that district. How can that be fair? Why has this never been challenged?

 

 

Kids in Memphis City Schools are allowed to do this as well. What is there to challenge? If they transfer, they will have to sit out anyway. It is no different than a kid that travels across town to a private school.

 

You should also realize that the school districts that do this are not doing for athletic reasons. The TSSAA is simply a governing body for TN HS athletics, not everything TN HS do.

[dennga]

Kids in Memphis City Schools are allowed to do this as well. What is there to challenge? If they transfer, they will have to sit out anyway. It is no different than a kid that travels across town to a private school.

 

You should also realize that the school districts that do this are not doing for athletic reasons. The TSSAA is simply a governing body for TN HS athletics, not everything TN HS do.

 

So am I understanding it correctly.... you can go to any school in the district; however once you go to one you cannot switch without sitting out a year?

[CheckerboardEndzones]

So am I understanding it correctly.... you can go to any school in the district; however once you go to one you cannot switch without sitting out a year?

 

 

Yep. This is not the case with the county schools though. Only the city schools.

[PHargis]

Whats to challenge? If your county wants to make this rule so what. It is none of the TSSAA's business.

 

Brentwood is TN volleyball. Period.

 

All we did was follow the model used in Louisville. You can't get better if you don't commit to playing club. Simple.

 

Does anybody complain about AAU travel teams? If parents and booster clubs want to raise money to hire club coaches (real coaches) that is the teams business. Why would you not want to play at a school where you win, and play for coaches who know the sport? Colleges can pay whatever they want for a coach. This is the teams money, and if they want to hire real coaches too bad.

Babe, hate to disagree with you on this but Louisville has nothing to do with this subject. Schools sign up to be in the TSSAA and follow their rules. The schools are in charge of the athletic programs whether to have the sport or not. The coaches have to be approved and be given security clearance to coach by law. The Booster clubs raise money, be accountable by law to iits use and the schools are responsible for many other expenses. Non faculty coaches have to have a sponsering teacher to be with the program. Thats the system and the way it works. That teacher is at least admistrator that helps the team follow the tssaa rules. The non faculty coach can be the bench coach. These coaches know their roles and will cooperate in making sure the program goes smoothely. The booster club help raise monies that help the team have those things they want them to have. There are no short cuts to this system. The Principal is head of everything that goes on with the school and has signed agreements with the TSSAA as to his duties, which some he may delegate. He and the school has agreed to follow the rules and in many cases not following the rules can cause fines up to $1000 per violation and Ineligability of players. Not complying to rules can allow coaches not to be able to coach as almost happened last year at your school. If you don't think the coaches who are there are not serious about what they do, have another think coming. But the structure is the structure. If a parent would not like to follow these rules, find a way to transfer to another school, sell your house and be able to play immediately or find a way within the rules to transfer and lose a year of eligability. All of this is easy to do but not doing it and making an example of your actions is not the way to do it. The system is used with every other school in your county however some coaches are fine teachers and do the job as part of the faculty. If you have any questions as to the rules, go to the TSSAA web site and take an hour or so and read the TSSAA hand book.

Rules are a part of playing anything. Rules are required in everything we do. Now as far as this Louisville thing is concerned, whoever is spreading around that around is not doing your school any favor. In fact is doing it harm and the more things like this happen, you can be sure word will get around and those players who will try to secure help to go to college with Volleyball help, will not have the help. Why would you think colleges/Universities would want students who have not been taught to cooperate within rules.

[CheckerboardEndzones]

Babe, hate to disagree with you on this but Louisville has nothing to do with this subject. Schools sign up to be in the TSSAA and follow their rules. The schools are in charge of the athletic programs whether to have the sport or not. The coaches have to be approved and be given security clearance to coach by law. The Booster clubs raise money, be accountable by law to iits use and the schools are responsible for many other expenses. Non faculty coaches have to have a sponsering teacher to be with the program. Thats the system and the way it works. That teacher is at least admistrator that helps the team follow the tssaa rules. The non faculty coach can be the bench coach. These coaches know their roles and will cooperate in making sure the program goes smoothely. The booster club help raise monies that help the team have those things they want them to have. There are no short cuts to this system. The Principal is head of everything that goes on with the school and has signed agreements with the TSSAA as to his duties, which some he may delegate. He and the school has agreed to follow the rules and in many cases not following the rules can cause fines up to $1000 per violation and Ineligability of players. Not complying to rules can allow coaches not to be able to coach as almost happened last year at your school. If you don't think the coaches who are there are not serious about what they do, have another think coming. But the structure is the structure. If a parent would not like to follow these rules, find a way to transfer to another school, sell your house and be able to play immediately or find a way within the rules to transfer and lose a year of eligability. All of this is easy to do but not doing it and making an example of your actions is not the way to do it. The system is used with every other school in your county however some coaches are fine teachers and do the job as part of the faculty. If you have any questions as to the rules, go to the TSSAA web site and take an hour or so and read the TSSAA hand book.

Rules are a part of playing anything. Rules are required in everything we do. Now as far as this Louisville thing is concerned, whoever is spreading around that around is not doing your school any favor. In fact is doing it harm and the more things like this happen, you can be sure word will get around and those players who will try to secure help to go to college with Volleyball help, will not have the help. Why would you think colleges/Universities would want students who have not been taught to cooperate within rules.

 

 

You just told someone to consult the TSSAA rules, but you are the one that might need to revisit them. You said that non faculty coaches have to have a sponsoring teacher, but according to the rules, this is not the case. You can refer to page 8, section 9, part C in the TSSAA Handbook for this clarification.

 

I really think that your rant above was off base. IMO, you missed the whole point of bruinbabes comments. You said that Louisville had nothing to do with this topic, but it sounds to me that it does. She was only using it as a basis to her point. The point being, IMO, that they used a system of putting their kids into the clubs and getting their clubs into the school. The only difference in Louisville is that a club coach can follow his club team straight into the HS season and vise versa. In TN, a club coach who coaches in HS can not coach his HS kids during the club season.

 

She is absolutely right when she says that it is only the teams (and booster club) business what the coach is being paid. Money will surely help a team, but it certainly does not make a team. If Brentwood were scraping the bottom of their district, nobody would care what they paid an outside coach, but because they are a perennial powerhouse, everyone wants to point a suspicious finger at them. For example, nobody cares that Baylor pays their football coach over 6 figures, plus a house, etc. because they have not been relevant lately, but if they came out this year and started winning, everyone would be up in arms.