silverpie Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Let me lay out an example. Suppose that District 14-A (chosen randomly) finishes in the order of Earl Nall's ratings: 1. Humboldt (2A) 2. Union City (1A) 3. Peabody (2A) 4. Lake County (1A) 5. Halls (1A) 6. Greenfield (1A) 7. South Fulton (1A) Humboldt, as district winner, is a 2A gold team, which is an absolute automatic. Union City is a silver team for the 1A playoffs, which is a guaranteed bid in any class except 2A (and 99.6% guaranteed even there). There are no 2A bronze teams (since only one was available, and it's superseded by Humboldt's gold). In 1A, there are two bronze slots available; one is trumped by Union City's silver, but the other is awarded, to Lake County. Peabody, Halls, Greenfield, and South Fulton must hope for wild cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabbo Posted July 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 Let me lay out an example. Suppose that District 14-A (chosen randomly) finishes in the order of Earl Nall's ratings:1. Humboldt (2A) 2. Union City (1A) 3. Peabody (2A) 4. Lake County (1A) 5. Halls (1A) 6. Greenfield (1A) 7. South Fulton (1A) Humboldt, as district winner, is a 2A gold team, which is an absolute automatic. Union City is a silver team for the 1A playoffs, which is a guaranteed bid in any class except 2A (and 99.6% guaranteed even there). There are no 2A bronze teams (since only one was available, and it's superseded by Humboldt's gold). In 1A, there are two bronze slots available; one is trumped by Union City's silver, but the other is awarded, to Lake County. Peabody, Halls, Greenfield, and South Fulton must hope for wild cards. That doesn't jive with the information in the link I posted...I'm confused again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ole3putt Posted July 26, 2009 Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 It's simple, just win all District, Region, or all the games.. no problem..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabbo Posted July 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2009 It's simple, just win all District, Region, or all the games.. no problem..... That's the best advice I've heard so far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STARSNBARS Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Hay fellers....Eye've read Revelation.....Bill Shaik-Spear.....and eithur one of tham's lots easier two understand than this play-off sistim......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabbo Posted July 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Hay fellers....Eye've read Revelation.....Bill Shaik-Spear.....and eithur one of tham's lots easier two understand than this play-off sistim......... Dang...and I thought I had a thick country accent.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
66in74 Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Here's the way I understand it: You have automatic births and at large births: Automatic Births: If there are 4 or more teams in the district within the same playoff class, then the top 2 go. If there are 2-3 within the same playoff class then the top team within that playoff class goes. If there is only 1 team in the district within a playoff class, then they need to finish 1 or 2 in District to go. At Large Births: I haven't a clue? And I'm not sure the TSSAA knows yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoardHater71 Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Here's the way I understand it: You have automatic births and at large births: Automatic Births: If there are 4 or more teams in the district within the same playoff class, then the top 2 go. If there are 2-3 within the same playoff class then the top team within that playoff class goes. If there is only 1 team in the district within a playoff class, then they need to finish 1 or 2 in District to go. At Large Births: I haven't a clue? And I'm not sure the TSSAA knows yet? That part that I have bolded is retarded and argues against the entire point of the system. Let's take 11-AA for example: If it finishes as: 1.) CW 2.) MC 3.) Camden 4.) Harpeth 5.) Cheatham 6.) Waverly 7.) Stewart THEN.......CW at #1, Camden at #3, and Harpeth at #4 make the playoffs as automatic bids. If you are the only team in a district (like JCM) and you finish 3rd in that district but you aren't an automatic qualifier then that sucks. You are being punished by the way that your district was set up. Now if the rule stated that "one team classified district team goes to the playoffs if they finish in the top 4 of the district" then that would be understandable. There are a lot of teams that won't finish in the top 2 of districts that will be automatic playoff qualifiers. That is sad for a team like JCM if you ask me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
66in74 Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Here's the way I understand it: You have automatic births and at large births: Automatic Births: If there are 4 or more teams in the district within the same playoff class, then the top 2 go. If there are 2-3 within the same playoff class then the top team within that playoff class goes. If there is only 1 team in the district within a playoff class, then they need to finish 1 or 2 in District to go. At Large Births: I haven't a clue? And I'm not sure the TSSAA knows yet? That part that I have bolded is retarded and argues against the entire point of the system. Let's take 11-AA for example: If it finishes as: 1.) CW 2.) MC 3.) Camden 4.) Harpeth 5.) Cheatham 6.) Waverly 7.) Stewart THEN.......CW at #1, Camden at #3, and Harpeth at #4 make the playoffs as automatic bids. If you are the only team in a district (like JCM) and you finish 3rd in that district but you aren't an automatic qualifier then that sucks. You are being punished by the way that your district was set up. Now if the rule stated that "one team classified district team goes to the playoffs if they finish in the top 4 of the district" then that would be understandable. There are a lot of teams that won't finish in the top 2 of districts that will be automatic playoff qualifiers. That is sad for a team like JCM if you ask me I agree it doesn't make sense, but that's the way I understand the automatic bid part of it. Like I said, I have no clue about the at large/wildcard part of it. I went back and looked at the Board of Control minutes and I think MC would go as well from 11AA since they finished in the top 2. Now in your example if MC finished 3rd or worse they would have to get a wildcard birth. So for automatic births we should add "the top 2 in the District get automatic births as well. That still means if (JCM, not sure the District) is the only team in a playoff class within a District, they would have to finish 1 or 2 to get an automatic birth. I think Loretto is in the same boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverpie Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Right, Central-Merry is one of three teams that is stranded as the only team of the lower subclass in its league (and the only one that was in that position when the districts were drawn up). The other two are MAHS (a late entry) and Copper Basin (there were two, but David Brainerd shut down). Three others (Sullivan East, Sequoyah, and Brighton) are the only teams in their subclass in their district, but those three are in the higher subclass. Loretto would be in that position if District 12-A were standing alone, but in their case, their league is the whole region, which has two other 2A schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
66in74 Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Here's the "cut and paste" from the Board of Control minutes at the June '08 meeting. I sent an email to TSSAA and they responded they "are still working out the finer details of the tiebreakers etc". Enjoy. In regards to football: 1. All schools play everyone in their district (AAA, AA, A) 2. Each class is divided in half by enrollment. AAA is divided into 6A/5A; AA into 4A/3A; A into 2A/1A. This will place approximately 55-65 schools in each football classification. If the number of football schools in Class A is less than 70, then the Board would determine whether Class A would be divided for playoffs or remain as one class. Using present enrollments, we would have 83 footballplaying schools in Class A. 3. In 6A, 5A, 4A, and 3A, 32 teams would qualify for the playoffs. In 2A and 1A 24 teams would qualify for the playoffs. This difference is due to the fact that there would be 41-42 schools in 2A and 1A each, with 58-62 schools in the other 4 classifications. 4. Teams would qualify for the playoffs in the following manner: a. One half of the teams in each group (6A, 5A) in each district are automatic qualifiers (Example: 4 teams - 2 automatic qualifiers; 6 teams -3 automatic qualifiers; 3 teams 1 automatic qualifier; 1 team 0 automatic qualifiers) b. Teams finishing 1st or 2nd in the district are automatic qualifiers c. Wild cards based on TSSAA tiebreakers 5. In 6A, there is the rare possibility that you have 25 automatic qualifiers. Districts 1, 2, 3, 6, 8, 9, 10, and 16 where there is 1 qualifier and another 6A team could finish 2nd. If this occurred in all 8 districts, you would have 33 qualifiers. In the unlikely event that this would happen, you would apply the tiebreaker criteria to those 8 teams to determine the 7 qualifiers to complete the 32-team bracket. 6. The 32 teams are then placed geographically in 4 quadrants with 8 teams in each quadrant in 6A, 5A, 4A, and 3A. In 2A and 1A there are 6 in each quadrant with the top 2 seeds drawing a bye in the first round. 7. The eight teams (6 in 2A and 1A) are placed in the bracket so that no teams from the same district play each other in the first round except when there are 5 or more teams from the same district. Placements are then done with priorities given to automatic qualifiers based on their district finish followed by Wild Cards. There may be times where teams have to be placed other than their order of district finish to avoid teams from the same district meeting in the first round. 8. The team with the higher seed will host throughout the first three rounds. In the semifinals, the top team in the bracket will host in odd years and the team in the bottom bracket will host in even years. (Exceptions: If the two teams are from the same district, the higher finishing team in district standings shall host.) H. Directed state office to bring back plan on how the tournament format would look if you use the same plan for football for other sports (basketball, baseball, softball, and volleyball). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachT Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 To be released by the TSSAA the first week in August will be an online presentation discussing the new football format and sample district standings with explanation of how teams qualify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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