TSSAA Playoff Mess- MUST READ!!!

[Gerry Bertier]

It has came to my attention we have all misinterpreted the TSSAA playoff system. Basically this is how teams will be seeded.

 

Here is an example:

Lets say that in the 8 team quad there are three teams that finished in first place in their district, 2 teams that finished 2nd, one team that finished 4th and one team that finished 5th. There is also a wild card team.

 

The seeing would go like this:

 

Take the three #1 teams: Make a determination to see if they all played each other. If not then look at their overall records, if there is still a tie look to see how many victories each had over a team winning 50% of their games or more. If still tied there are 14 other tie breaking steps.

 

When the tie is broken these teams will be the #1, #2 and #3 seeds. Then look at the #2 teams and apply the same criteria. That will give you the #4 and #5 teams. The #6 team will be the team that finished in 4th in their district and the #7 team will be the team that finished 5th in their district. The wild card team is always seeded last so in this case they would be seeded 8th.

 

ITS NOT RIGHT. But it's the TSSAA and they will do what they want to do. I think it is a major screw job. Teams SHOULD be rewarded for being the top team in their subdivision. Teams should not be rewarded for playing in a 5 team district while others play in an 8 or 9 team one.

 

 

So here is what the playoffs would look like if they started today.

 

Quad 1

 

1. Alcoa- # 1 in district

8. Johnson Co.- WC

 

4.Gatlinburg Pittman # 2 in district

5. Sullivan North # 2 in district

 

3. Austin East- # 1 in district

6. West Greene- # 3 in district

 

2. Elizabethon # 1 in district

7. Cumberland Gap- WC

 

Quad 2

 

1. Polk Co.- # 1 in district

8. Kingston

 

4. McMinn Central- # 2 in district

5. Tyner- # 2 in district

 

3. CAK- # 2 in district

7. York- WC

 

2. Bledsoe Co.- # 1 in district

6. Loudon- WC

 

Quad 3

 

1. Smith Co.- # 1 in district

8. Harpeth- WC

 

4. Cannon Co.- # 3 in district

5. Pearl Cohn- # 5 in district

 

3. Sequatchie County- # 2 in district

6. East Literature- WC

 

2. Goodpasture- # 1 in district

7. Grundy Co.- WC

 

Quad 4

 

1. Manassas- # 1 in district

8. Westview- WC

 

4. Stewart Co.# 3 in district

5. BTW # 3 in district

 

3. Camden- # 2 in district

6. Fairview- # 4 in district

 

2. Milan # 2 in district

7. Lewis Co. # 5 in district

[Bulldog Fan #2]

It has came to my attention we have all misinterpreted the TSSAA playoff system. Basically this is how teams will be seeded.

 

Here is an example:

Lets say that in the 8 team quad there are three teams that finished in first place in their district, 2 teams that finished 2nd, one team that finished 4th and one team that finished 5th. There is also a wild card team.

 

The seeing would go like this:

 

Take the three #1 teams: Make a determination to see if they all played each other. If not then look at their overall records, if there is still a tie look to see how many victories each had over a team winning 50% of their games or more. If still tied there are 14 other tie breaking steps.

 

When the tie is broken these teams will be the #1, #2 and #3 seeds. Then look at the #2 teams and apply the same criteria. That will give you the #4 and #5 teams. The #6 team will be the team that finished in 4th in their district and the #7 team will be the team that finished 5th in their district. The wild card team is always seeded last so in this case they would be seeded 8th.

 

ITS NOT RIGHT. But it's the TSSAA and they will do what they want to do. I think it is a major screw job. Teams SHOULD be rewarded for being the top team in their subdivision. Teams should not be rewarded for playing in a 5 team district while others play in an 8 or 9 team one.

 

 

So here is what the playoffs would look like if they started today.

 

Quad 1

 

1. Alcoa- # 1 in district

8. Johnson Co.- WC

 

4.Gatlinburg Pittman # 2 in district

5. Sullivan North # 2 in district

 

3. Austin East- # 1 in district

6. West Greene- # 3 in district

 

2. Elizabethon # 1 in district

7. Cumberland Gap- WC

 

Quad 2

 

1. Polk Co.- # 1 in district

8. Kingston

 

4. McMinn Central- # 2 in district

5. Tyner- # 2 in district

 

3. CAK- # 2 in district

7. York- WC

 

2. Bledsoe Co.- # 1 in district

6. Loudon- WC

 

Quad 3

 

1. Smith Co.- # 1 in district

8. Harpeth- WC

 

4. Cannon Co.- # 3 in district

5. Pearl Cohn- # 5 in district

 

3. Sequatchie County- # 2 in district

6. East Literature- WC

 

2. Goodpasture- # 1 in district

7. Grundy Co.- WC

 

Quad 4

 

1. Manassas- # 1 in district

8. Westview- WC

 

4. Stewart Co.# 3 in district

5. BTW # 3 in district

 

3. Camden- # 2 in district

6. Fairview- # 4 in district

 

2. Milan # 2 in district

7. Lewis Co. # 5 in district

 

 

Gerry - 1st of all - Love you work and thanks for this info. How would it be possible if the playoffs where today for Manassas to be a #1 seed with a 8-1 record and Milan to be #2 seed with 9-0 record? I just don't see how that could happen......any insight?

[Gerry Bertier]

It has came to my attention we have all misinterpreted the TSSAA playoff system. Basically this is how teams will be seeded.

 

Here is an example:

Lets say that in the 8 team quad there are three teams that finished in first place in their district, 2 teams that finished 2nd, one team that finished 4th and one team that finished 5th. There is also a wild card team.

 

The seeing would go like this:

 

Take the three #1 teams: Make a determination to see if they all played each other. If not then look at their overall records, if there is still a tie look to see how many victories each had over a team winning 50% of their games or more. If still tied there are 14 other tie breaking steps.

 

When the tie is broken these teams will be the #1, #2 and #3 seeds. Then look at the #2 teams and apply the same criteria. That will give you the #4 and #5 teams. The #6 team will be the team that finished in 4th in their district and the #7 team will be the team that finished 5th in their district. The wild card team is always seeded last so in this case they would be seeded 8th.

 

ITS NOT RIGHT. But it's the TSSAA and they will do what they want to do. I think it is a major screw job. Teams SHOULD be rewarded for being the top team in their subdivision. Teams should not be rewarded for playing in a 5 team district while others play in an 8 or 9 team one.

 

 

So here is what the playoffs would look like if they started today.

 

Quad 1

 

1. Alcoa- # 1 in district

8. Johnson Co.- WC

 

4.Gatlinburg Pittman # 2 in district

5. Sullivan North # 2 in district

 

3. Austin East- # 1 in district

6. West Greene- # 3 in district

 

2. Elizabethon # 1 in district

7. Cumberland Gap- WC

 

Quad 2

 

1. Polk Co.- # 1 in district

8. Kingston

 

4. McMinn Central- # 2 in district

5. Tyner- # 2 in district

 

3. CAK- # 2 in district

7. York- WC

 

2. Bledsoe Co.- # 1 in district

6. Loudon- WC

 

Quad 3

 

1. Smith Co.- # 1 in district

8. Harpeth- WC

 

4. Cannon Co.- # 3 in district

5. Pearl Cohn- # 5 in district

 

3. Sequatchie County- # 2 in district

6. East Literature- WC

 

2. Goodpasture- # 1 in district

7. Grundy Co.- WC

 

Quad 4

 

1. Manassas- # 1 in district

8. Westview- WC

 

4. Stewart Co.# 3 in district

5. BTW # 3 in district

 

3. Camden- # 2 in district

6. Fairview- # 4 in district

 

2. Milan # 2 in district

7. Lewis Co. # 5 in district

 

 

Gerry - 1st of all - Love you work and thanks for this info. How would it be possible if the playoffs where today for Manassas to be a #1 seed with a 8-1 record and Milan to be #2 seed with 9-0 record? I just don't see how that could happen......any insight?

 

Cause right now Milan is technically 2nd in their district behind Crockett and Manassas is first in their district. Now say Milan wins on Friday and Manassas wins. Since they are both # 1 in their district Milan would win the overall wins tiebreaker. You are seeded based on where you finish in your DISTRICT not subdivision. Which stinks for some teams.

[Memphisfootball]

It has came to my attention we have all misinterpreted the TSSAA playoff system. Basically this is how teams will be seeded.

 

Here is an example:

Lets say that in the 8 team quad there are three teams that finished in first place in their district, 2 teams that finished 2nd, one team that finished 4th and one team that finished 5th. There is also a wild card team.

 

The seeing would go like this:

 

Take the three #1 teams: Make a determination to see if they all played each other. If not then look at their overall records, if there is still a tie look to see how many victories each had over a team winning 50% of their games or more. If still tied there are 14 other tie breaking steps.

 

When the tie is broken these teams will be the #1, #2 and #3 seeds. Then look at the #2 teams and apply the same criteria. That will give you the #4 and #5 teams. The #6 team will be the team that finished in 4th in their district and the #7 team will be the team that finished 5th in their district. The wild card team is always seeded last so in this case they would be seeded 8th.

 

ITS NOT RIGHT. But it's the TSSAA and they will do what they want to do. I think it is a major screw job. Teams SHOULD be rewarded for being the top team in their subdivision. Teams should not be rewarded for playing in a 5 team district while others play in an 8 or 9 team one.

 

 

So here is what the playoffs would look like if they started today.

 

Quad 1

 

1. Alcoa- # 1 in district

8. Johnson Co.- WC

 

4.Gatlinburg Pittman # 2 in district

5. Sullivan North # 2 in district

 

3. Austin East- # 1 in district

6. West Greene- # 3 in district

 

2. Elizabethon # 1 in district

7. Cumberland Gap- WC

 

Quad 2

 

1. Polk Co.- # 1 in district

8. Kingston

 

4. McMinn Central- # 2 in district

5. Tyner- # 2 in district

 

3. CAK- # 2 in district

7. York- WC

 

2. Bledsoe Co.- # 1 in district

6. Loudon- WC

 

Quad 3

 

1. Smith Co.- # 1 in district

8. Harpeth- WC

 

4. Cannon Co.- # 3 in district

5. Pearl Cohn- # 5 in district

 

3. Sequatchie County- # 2 in district

6. East Literature- WC

 

2. Goodpasture- # 1 in district

7. Grundy Co.- WC

 

Quad 4

 

1. Manassas- # 1 in district

8. Westview- WC

 

4. Stewart Co.# 3 in district

5. BTW # 3 in district

 

3. Camden- # 2 in district

6. Fairview- # 4 in district

 

2. Milan # 2 in district

7. Lewis Co. # 5 in district

 

 

Gerry - 1st of all - Love you work and thanks for this info. How would it be possible if the playoffs where today for Manassas to be a #1 seed with a 8-1 record and Milan to be #2 seed with 9-0 record? I just don't see how that could happen......any insight?

 

Cause right now Milan is technically 2nd in their district behind Crockett and Manassas is first in their district. Now say Milan wins on Friday and Manassas wins. Since they are both # 1 in their district Milan would win the overall wins tiebreaker. You are seeded based on where you finish in your DISTRICT not subdivision. Which stinks for some teams.

 

 

That makes the crockett game HUGE for Manassas. So, if Man wins and Milan loses and they both end up 9-1, than Man gets the 1 seed over Milan because of district finish regardless of the rest of the tiebreakers.

Frankly, as a Manassas fan, this is great, but even i don't think it is fair. At 9-1, looking at Milan's schedule vs. Manassas' and the tiebreaker system, Milan should get the #1, but we will take it!

[Charlie Murphy]

Gerry,,

It says specificaly in the handbook

 

Order of seeding is ,,,

 

1. District Champs

2. Distict runner ups

3. #1 in Subdivision (it specifically says "subdivision")

4 #2 in subdivision (this goes up to all the auto qualifiers)

5. Wildcards

 

Look at this scenario,,,,

District X order of finish; 4a, 4a, 3a, 4a, 3a, 4a, 4a (One auto from 3A, seeded after any district champs or runner ups that happen to be in the same quad)

 

But if the order was; 4a, 4a, 4a, 4a, 3a, 4a, 3a,,,,that top 3a team would still be seeded the same way,,,

 

it doesn't matter how many 4a teams are in front of the 3a team,,,,,they are still seede as a "subdivision #1",,,auto qualifier,,,

 

If those were two seperate districts and the two 3a teams fell in the same quad, they would be seeded at the same time with "the list" determining which got the higher seed ,,not the fact that one finished 3rd oVERALL, and the other finished 5th.

[cneagles13]

It has came to my attention we have all misinterpreted the TSSAA playoff system. Basically this is how teams will be seeded.

 

Here is an example:

Lets say that in the 8 team quad there are three teams that finished in first place in their district, 2 teams that finished 2nd, one team that finished 4th and one team that finished 5th. There is also a wild card team.

 

The seeing would go like this:

 

Take the three #1 teams: Make a determination to see if they all played each other. If not then look at their overall records, if there is still a tie look to see how many victories each had over a team winning 50% of their games or more. If still tied there are 14 other tie breaking steps.

 

When the tie is broken these teams will be the #1, #2 and #3 seeds. Then look at the #2 teams and apply the same criteria. That will give you the #4 and #5 teams. The #6 team will be the team that finished in 4th in their district and the #7 team will be the team that finished 5th in their district. The wild card team is always seeded last so in this case they would be seeded 8th.

 

ITS NOT RIGHT. But it's the TSSAA and they will do what they want to do. I think it is a major screw job. Teams SHOULD be rewarded for being the top team in their subdivision. Teams should not be rewarded for playing in a 5 team district while others play in an 8 or 9 team one.

 

 

So here is what the playoffs would look like if they started today.

 

Quad 1

 

1. Alcoa- # 1 in district

8. Johnson Co.- WC

 

4.Gatlinburg Pittman # 2 in district

5. Sullivan North # 2 in district

 

3. Austin East- # 1 in district

6. West Greene- # 3 in district

 

2. Elizabethon # 1 in district

7. Cumberland Gap- WC

 

Quad 2

 

1. Polk Co.- # 1 in district

8. Kingston

 

4. McMinn Central- # 2 in district

5. Tyner- # 2 in district

 

3. CAK- # 2 in district

7. York- WC

 

2. Bledsoe Co.- # 1 in district

6. Loudon- WC

 

Quad 3

 

1. Smith Co.- # 1 in district

8. Harpeth- WC

 

4. Cannon Co.- # 3 in district

5. Pearl Cohn- # 5 in district

 

3. Sequatchie County- # 2 in district

6. East Literature- WC

 

2. Goodpasture- # 1 in district

7. Grundy Co.- WC

 

Quad 4

 

1. Manassas- # 1 in district

8. Westview- WC

 

4. Stewart Co.# 3 in district

5. BTW # 3 in district

 

3. Camden- # 2 in district

6. Fairview- # 4 in district

 

2. Milan # 2 in district

7. Lewis Co. # 5 in district

 

One question/correction for you. In Quad 1 you have Cumberland Gap listed as a wild card. The Gap is an automatic qualifier based on finishing within the top half of their subdivision within their district. Does that change who you have as wild cards?

[BallPark3434]

It has came to my attention we have all misinterpreted the TSSAA playoff system. Basically this is how teams will be seeded.

 

Here is an example:

Lets say that in the 8 team quad there are three teams that finished in first place in their district, 2 teams that finished 2nd, one team that finished 4th and one team that finished 5th. There is also a wild card team.

 

The seeing would go like this:

 

Take the three #1 teams: Make a determination to see if they all played each other. If not then look at their overall records, if there is still a tie look to see how many victories each had over a team winning 50% of their games or more. If still tied there are 14 other tie breaking steps.

 

When the tie is broken these teams will be the #1, #2 and #3 seeds. Then look at the #2 teams and apply the same criteria. That will give you the #4 and #5 teams. The #6 team will be the team that finished in 4th in their district and the #7 team will be the team that finished 5th in their district. The wild card team is always seeded last so in this case they would be seeded 8th.

 

ITS NOT RIGHT. But it's the TSSAA and they will do what they want to do. I think it is a major screw job. Teams SHOULD be rewarded for being the top team in their subdivision. Teams should not be rewarded for playing in a 5 team district while others play in an 8 or 9 team one.

 

 

So here is what the playoffs would look like if they started today.

 

Quad 1

 

1. Alcoa- # 1 in district

8. Johnson Co.- WC

 

4.Gatlinburg Pittman # 2 in district

5. Sullivan North # 2 in district

 

3. Austin East- # 1 in district

6. West Greene- # 3 in district

 

2. Elizabethon # 1 in district

7. Cumberland Gap- WC

 

Quad 2

 

1. Polk Co.- # 1 in district

8. Kingston

 

4. McMinn Central- # 2 in district

5. Tyner- # 2 in district

 

3. CAK- # 2 in district

7. York- WC

 

2. Bledsoe Co.- # 1 in district

6. Loudon- WC

 

Quad 3

 

1. Smith Co.- # 1 in district

8. Harpeth- WC

 

4. Cannon Co.- # 3 in district

5. Pearl Cohn- # 5 in district

 

3. Sequatchie County- # 2 in district

6. East Literature- WC

 

2. Goodpasture- # 1 in district

7. Grundy Co.- WC

 

Quad 4

 

1. Manassas- # 1 in district

8. Westview- WC

 

4. Stewart Co.# 3 in district

5. BTW # 3 in district

 

3. Camden- # 2 in district

6. Fairview- # 4 in district

 

2. Milan # 2 in district

7. Lewis Co. # 5 in district

 

Lol Gerry this is how i have been my seeding the whole time, I thought you knew this. It makes alot of sense when you look how they do seeding. I know the playoff system is kinda confusing but some of it still makes sense. If seq wins friday and Goodpasture loses, Seq could possibly move to the #2 seed.

[voice]

Gerry

 

We may be splitting hairs but as I re-read the T$$AA football regulations very carefully I noticed something very interesting. The word seeding is used but not in the context you and I would expect.

 

From football regulations Section iii F

 

Once the 24 teams have been selected in the Class 1A and 2A playoffs, the teams will be geographically grouped

into four six-team quadrants. In Class 3A, 4A, 5A, and 6A, the teams will be geographically grouped into four

eight-team quadrants. This grouping will be done without regard to region alignments.

The teams within each quadrant are placed in the bracket so that teams from the same district will not play each

other in the first round. The only exception would be when 5 or more teams from the same district qualify for the

play-offs and all 5 teams are in the same geographic quadrant.

 

 

After teams from the same district have been separated,placements are then arranged with priorities given to

automatic qualifiers. Teams finishing 1st in their district will receive highest priority. Teams finishing 2nd in their

district will receive second priority. Teams not finishing 1st or 2nd in their district but finishing in the top half of their

subdivision will be given third priority, followed by wild card qualifiers.

IV. THE PLAY-OFF GAMES (DIVISION I: Class 1A, 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A, and 6A)

A. The first-round games in all classifications shall be played on the 11th Friday of the football season. The second

round shall be played on the 12th Friday, the quarterfinals on the 13th Friday, the semifinals on the 14th Friday, and

the championship games shall be played on either the following 15th Thursday, Friday or Saturday.

B. In Class 1A, 2A, 3A, 4A, 5A and 6A the higher seeded team shall be the host school. If the two schools are the

same seed, in odd numbered years the top team in each bracket shall be the host team. In even-numbered years

the bottom team in each bracket shall be the host team.

 

Note that the word placement is used to seperate teams from the same district.

 

If teams are truly seeded then it would be impossable to have two teams "the same seed". Does this imply that in the case of 3 - #1s (ie quadrent 1) that eastern teams would be placed in top position in the normal #2 - #3 position? The term priority is also used in the quoted passage.

[FultonGrad]

I think they are referring to two #1 seeds from different quads meeting in the SemiFinals.

[jhoutsider]

%#*%#@*^*!@$%^.............man.....this is alot like the BCS.....and we all know how well it works...

[TedLNancy]

This has probably been addressed on the 1A and 2A board, but there is a financial disadvantage to the 8 teams in 1A and 2A who get the first round byes. While the bye in week one of the playoffs could be good for getting healthy and sharp, they lose their share of a first round gate. That money is huge for most small school programs. Unless they are being compensated from first round money in some way, this will hurt the bottom line.

 

If my memory serves me correctly, there was one year in the early 90's where the region champs were given a first round bye. I think it was Calvin Short of Gallatin (who may have been an administrator at that time) who was quoted in the paper as saying that the reward for winning the district ended up being one less chance to host a home playoff game, make concession stand money,.... The next year, a full 32 teams qualified from each class. I think this was in the 1993 and 94 seasons, but my memory may be faulty after all of these years.

[originalSC3]

It has came to my attention we have all misinterpreted the TSSAA playoff system. Basically this is how teams will be seeded.

 

Here is an example:

Lets say that in the 8 team quad there are three teams that finished in first place in their district, 2 teams that finished 2nd, one team that finished 4th and one team that finished 5th. There is also a wild card team.

 

The seeing would go like this:

 

Take the three #1 teams: Make a determination to see if they all played each other. If not then look at their overall records, if there is still a tie look to see how many victories each had over a team winning 50% of their games or more. If still tied there are 14 other tie breaking steps.

 

When the tie is broken these teams will be the #1, #2 and #3 seeds. Then look at the #2 teams and apply the same criteria. That will give you the #4 and #5 teams. The #6 team will be the team that finished in 4th in their district and the #7 team will be the team that finished 5th in their district. The wild card team is always seeded last so in this case they would be seeded 8th.

 

ITS NOT RIGHT. But it's the TSSAA and they will do what they want to do. I think it is a major screw job. Teams SHOULD be rewarded for being the top team in their subdivision. Teams should not be rewarded for playing in a 5 team district while others play in an 8 or 9 team one.

 

 

So here is what the playoffs would look like if they started today.

 

Quad 1

 

1. Alcoa- # 1 in district

8. Johnson Co.- WC

 

4.Gatlinburg Pittman # 2 in district

5. Sullivan North # 2 in district

 

3. Austin East- # 1 in district

6. West Greene- # 3 in district

 

2. Elizabethon # 1 in district

7. Cumberland Gap- WC

 

Quad 2

 

1. Polk Co.- # 1 in district

8. Kingston

 

4. McMinn Central- # 2 in district

5. Tyner- # 2 in district

 

3. CAK- # 2 in district

7. York- WC

 

2. Bledsoe Co.- # 1 in district

6. Loudon- WC

 

Quad 3

 

1. Smith Co.- # 1 in district

8. Harpeth- WC

 

4. Cannon Co.- # 3 in district

5. Pearl Cohn- # 5 in district

 

3. Sequatchie County- # 2 in district

6. East Literature- WC

 

2. Goodpasture- # 1 in district

7. Grundy Co.- WC

 

Quad 4

 

1. Manassas- # 1 in district

8. Westview- WC

 

4. Stewart Co.# 3 in district

5. BTW # 3 in district

 

3. Camden- # 2 in district

6. Fairview- # 4 in district

 

2. Milan # 2 in district

7. Lewis Co. # 5 in district

 

How were you seeding before? The large districts or regions have always had this problem no matter how the playoff teams were picked. No way to avoid it unless SOS and computer rankings are included for selection.