rSquared Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 "However, when the head coach does question a judgement call (thereby violating a BOOK rule), he should be the only one on the team to do it. The assistant/first base coach's job is to tell a runner to go to 2nd or to get back on a pickoff attempt or to take batting gloves. PERIOD!" glock: Are you serious? If you are, then you have either never been a coach (head or assistant), or obviously have never been a GOOD coach if you think this is an accurate description of an assistant coach. Trust me, it goes FAR beyond the sad picture you have painted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glock22 Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 "However, when the head coach does question a judgement call (thereby violating a BOOK rule), he should be the only one on the team to do it. The assistant/first base coach's job is to tell a runner to go to 2nd or to get back on a pickoff attempt or to take batting gloves. PERIOD!" glock: Are you serious? If you are, then you have either never been a coach (head or assistant), or obviously have never been a GOOD coach if you think this is an accurate description of an assistant coach. Trust me, it goes FAR beyond the sad picture you have painted! Let me clarify then. During the course of a game, the assistant coach's job, while occupying his coaching box is to tell a runner to go the second, get back on a pickoff attempt or to collect helmets or batting gloves. If there is something different in the rule book, post it. An assistant has NO rights on the field as a coach as far as interaction with an umpire goes, none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksgovols Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Umpires generally don't care who wins, but they do care about what's most important to them. Strikes and outs, otherwise known as game management. Most coaches or fans for that matter, don't mind if it's a blow out, but if it's just a long game, use that judgement you're so fond of. Really, who cares who's arguing the call? The first base coach has a better view on his side of the field than all of the time, the coach on the other side of the field and oftentimes the umpire making the call. If an umpire is lazy on rotations, is too sensitive to his calls being criticized or is just a jerk, why shouldn't he be challenged? He's not going to get a $250 fine if he royally screws up a call that costs a team a game nor can the game be protested successfully if he is completely in the wrong. Professionalism cuts both ways. Pitch counts are used and rightly so, by every level of baseball for the well being of the player. It doesn't matter if the kid has a shot at the next level or not. He has a shot at his next opportunity on the mound and who knows what the underclassmen might have a shot at if their pitch counts aren't monitored as they should be. Even if he doesn't, nobody has the right to put the kid's health in jeopardy. It's about the kids. All of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glock22 Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Funny, I always thought that game management for umpires was dealing with situations as they occur on the field, including dealing with negative interactions with head coaches. I could be wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksgovols Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 I see how this is going to work. Game one, toss the head coach because the assistant argues a call. Not restricted to the dugout. Tossed. No bad language, nothing. Just another 'judgement call' that a bad umpire can screw up. We didn't need more rules, we needed better implementation of the rules that we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dchcindian2 Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 this rule is totally bogus. in my opinion all coaches and even the chosen captain from each team should be able to question a call to a certain extent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHS1 Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 Who's going to be the first to be tossed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksgovols Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 You mean, who's gonna be the next to be tossed. It was done in middle Tennessee on March 15th. Opening day. That's about par for the course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverdaleman Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 You mean, who's gonna be the next to be tossed. It was done in middle Tennessee on March 15th. Opening day. That's about par for the course. wow so sombody was confined to the bench and then tossed because of this new rule already? wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksgovols Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Nope. Never confined to the bench. Just tossed. I think the fine will be over turned on appeal and I hope blue is tweaking his 'game' at the middle school level. Here's the bad thing about bad new rules. There's always somebody that wants to either make an example out of someone because they can or they want to be the first to put a notch in their belt. New rules after in 2010? That just means you couldn't adequately enforce the rules you had in 2009. How long have we been playing baseball? Why any new rules that don't involve the evolution of equipment? I'd like to see a $250 fine for an umpire that puts himself before the game or makes a mockery of it. A coach gets out of line and they're restricted to the dugout at the least, tossed and then fined at the most. An umpire loses his cool and maybe he gets blackballed by that coach. Respect the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pg524 Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 So who was the lucky recipient of the first ejection due to the new rule???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksgovols Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Doesn't matter, that's not the point. I know the umpire too, but that wouldn't prove my point. There's protocol for such things. Follow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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