State Tournament Referees

[Xander Zone]

As a former ref I was always taught early on that 95% of the time a ref should be invisible to the coaches, spectators, and of course the wrestlers...Stalling has and always be an issue in the sport...Kudos on Danny Gilbert...he is an AWESOME ref...

[Xander Zone]

My original questions were not meant to criticize, but to start a conversation. I believe close matches should be won by the best wrestler and not be decided by a subjective call. I was cureous if others feel the same way. Someone said earlier that the 2nd ref was there to give input on a questionable call. I did not see that involvement at all.

If the head ref deems it necessary to refer to the asst. referee...then they will meet and decide...but remember this the Head Referee is that the Head...he is ultimately in control of the match...to me having two referee's at state is Great...just wish we could have them for all the rounds...not everybody is going to agree...each will have their own opinion...but by ruling that is the job of the assistant ref...

[slingshot]

They are the best the state has to offer. This banter will not

alter the calls made over the weekend or make lil Johnny feel

better about the outcome of his match. If you know any qualified

refs willing to make the calls, I'm sure the state would be willing

to add him to their list.

Wrong... The TSSAA is more concerned with getting equal representation from each part of the state rather than securing the "best the state has to offer". It's kind of like the teams that get to attend the State duals while other (better) teams have to stay home. Equal representation regardless of quality. While there is really no "fix" for the State duals problem, the referree problem is do-able.

[Sommers]

Bring back Jack "800 push up" Faircloth!

[karelin]

Bring back Jack "800 push up" Faircloth!

Talk about a thread-killer

[chatt78]

If the head ref deems it necessary to refer to the asst. referee...then they will meet and decide...but remember this the Head Referee is that the Head...he is ultimately in control of the match...to me having two referee's at state is Great...just wish we could have them for all the rounds...not everybody is going to agree...each will have their own opinion...but by ruling that is the job of the assistant ref...

 

There was 2 refs on each mat for all rounds!!

[Xander Zone]

That's good then...Wasn't there this year...ease up...

[shoestring]

I thought the officiating was much better than a few weeks ago at the duals. I did see some instances where officials wanted to get a little too involved towards the end of the matches, especially in close matches. If both wrestlers are hand fighting and neither is backing up why do they feel the need to warn the wrestler currently winning for stalling. I saw this multiple times. Each wrestler was being equal in their scoring attempts and neither one is stalling more than the other but yet they call the wrestler currently winning to make it a more exciting match. Thats ridiculous. Also there are many things I dont think some of the older refs understand about higher level wrestling. If a person is hand fighting, trying to create angles and scoring opportunities that isnt stalling. This isnt 1977 where you tap their head and shoot , wrestling has progressed and along with it so have has the set ups and ties as well. Another thing that drives me crazy is the takedown calls out of bounds. It blows my mind how they will give a takedown on the edge when the wrestlers are still in a scramble type position but in the middle of the mat they will wait and wait and wait to make the call. They get caught up in the moment it seems and want to make that exciting call with one guy out and one guy in. A takedown is a takedown no matter if its in the center or the edge and no leeway should be shown for one more than the other.

[silverpie]

Another thing that drives me crazy is the takedown calls out of bounds. It blows my mind how they will give a takedown on the edge when the wrestlers are still in a scramble type position but in the middle of the mat they will wait and wait and wait to make the call. They get caught up in the moment it seems and want to make that exciting call with one guy out and one guy in. A takedown is a takedown no matter if its in the center or the edge and no leeway should be shown for one more than the other.

 

That's at least defiensible within the rules. Once each wrestler is supported at least partly out of bounds, the match stops. At that point, you have to make a call of either 2 or nothing. And the rules allow the takedown if the scorer at least kept his feet in. In the center, on the other hand, there's usually no reason to hurry the call. (Now, if they're giving the edge-takedowns and not stopping the action, that's no good.)

[marshiebaby]

Saw a few instances of standing takedown / reversals awarded prior to mat return or bottom man hand on the mat which puzzled me had an affect on two matches I saw as each time it was during closing seconds of period. Also in one 0-0 match saw a kid in a high bridge fighting a tilt and back points were not being awarded close match and that may have been a critical difference.

 

All in all the refs were good, sometimes the kids just need to push harder and prepare pre-season more to take the close calls out of the outcome equation...

Edited February 22, 2013 by marshiebaby

[ghouse]

Saw a few instances of standing takedown / reversals awarded prior to mat return or bottom man hand on the mat which puzzled me had an affect on two matches I saw as each time it was during closing seconds of period. Also in one 0-0 match saw a kid in a high bridge fighting a tilt and back points were not being awarded close match and that may have been a critical difference.

 

All in all the refs were good, sometimes the kids just need to push harder and prepare pre-season more to take the close calls out of the outcome equation...

 

Just a note but for a standing reversal there is no need for a mat return. It is a reversal the moment the defensive wrestler gets behind the offensive wrestler in a standing position.