alumnicoach85 Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 In football, you make it to state, that's your championship game. In other sports you are in a tournament for 3-4 days, so do the math football you have 3 days of games with all 9 classes. In basketball and other sports you have 3 weeks with all classes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmm88 Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Coaches gonna have to rally if they want change. Can't be just 3-4 guys. Once teams start losing against bigger schools, the outcries will come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chattaauhoops Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 With each new class comes increased expenses. If 3 classes barely break even it is highly unlikely that adding a 4th will suddenly make profit. Have to balance supply/demand. In football, the demand is high. The other sports are nowhere even close. After Basketball breaks even, every other sport loses money. Why do you think colleges separate their sports as revenue and non-revenue? I am not saying I agree with the monetary stand the TSSAA takes, but I do understand the economics of it. Please allow me to jump in here as the outsider. I respect your words here and there must be some validity to your assumption, but I don't see how more tournaments would not generate more money for TSSAA. Think about this: All of the good teams play in Christmas tournaments or preseason events.... Why? Because the host school makes money to assist in funding their season. At the risk of losing everyone's respect, I will go a step further and say that ALL of the AAU teams help fund their expenses by hosting tournaments. I would think that as a school team is winning, the fans would get behind them and 4, 5 or 6 state tournaments/ classifications would be a slam dunk financially for TSSAA. Where am I wrong here? I'm ready to be corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigchief Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 The assumption is in the line "I would think that as a school team is winning, the fans would get behind them." True it SHOULD be that way. However you obviously have not been to the state tournament lately. Half the teams have 100 or so people in the stands. As I said, it is PURELY an economic stand. They post the financials each year from the state championships in all sports. Footballl is the only one that makes money each year. The board recommended they go back to 5 classes next year for football in D1. They ignored it. They are going to max out that cash cow. Football is 3 days rent on the TN Tech field. In basketball you currently have 10 days and would obviously have to expand that even more for 4 classes. 2 days in D2 at Allen. 8 days for both girls and boys in Murphy. Each day Murphy Center costs money. Allen Arena costs money. Security, gate workers, cost money. Referees. Advertising. printing programs, shirts etc. As a coach, I would love to see 4 classes, but as a realist I know it is not going happen. It is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigchief Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Please allow me to jump in here as the outsider. I respect your words here and there must be some validity to your assumption, but I don't see how more tournaments would not generate more money for TSSAA. Think about this: All of the good teams play in Christmas tournaments or preseason events.... Why? Because the host school makes money to assist in funding their season. At the risk of losing everyone's respect, I will go a step further and say that ALL of the AAU teams help fund their expenses by hosting tournaments. I would think that as a school team is winning, the fans would get behind them and 4, 5 or 6 state tournaments/ classifications would be a slam dunk financially for TSSAA. Where am I wrong here? I'm ready to be corrected. AAU tournaments charge each team a fee to play. That way their expenses are covered beforehand. Then gate and concessions are gravy. Do you want to pay to play in the TSSAA tournament? Doubt it Christmas tournaments and the like rely HEAVILY on volunteer workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chattaauhoops Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 The assumption is in the line "I would think that as a school team is winning, the fans would get behind them." True it SHOULD be that way. However you obviously have not been to the state tournament lately. Half the teams have 100 or so people in the stands. As I said, it is PURELY an economic stand. They post the financials each year from the state championships in all sports. Footballl is the only one that makes money each year. The board recommended they go back to 5 classes next year for football in D1. They ignored it. They are going to max out that cash cow. Football is 3 days rent on the TN Tech field. In basketball you currently have 10 days and would obviously have to expand that even more for 4 classes. 2 days in D2 at Allen. 8 days for both girls and boys in Murphy. Each day Murphy Center costs money. Allen Arena costs money. Security, gate workers, cost money. Referees. Advertising. printing programs, shirts etc. As a coach, I would love to see 4 classes, but as a realist I know it is not going happen. It is what it is. I see your points and admit some I haven't thought about. It would seem that there is pretty good revenue generated through the district and region tourneys in the % sent to TSSAA who had zero invested in those events hosted by local schools? I bet that $ is not shown in the report you mentioned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chizzel Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 It's the TSSAA's fault basketball doesn't make money! It's set up horribly! Other surrounding states with more classes make way more money! Alabama made 2 million dollars from basketball last year with half our population (with 6 classes). Now, some genius tell me we're more of a football state than them...lol The bottom line is basketball does not make money. Adding a 4th class would only raise expenses. They are not going to lose money. Sad but true. We have 9 classes in football next year because playoff gates make A LOT of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chizzel Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 Bottom line! If the TSSAA can't make money on basketball and give fair opportunities to sports other than football, it's time for change. Not only board members but it's time for change in the TSSAA office! Enough is enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chizzel Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 BTW- I noticed that Fulton stayed at the very top of 2A in classification numbers. How many think Jody Wright would have changed his vote for more classes if they would have moved to a small 3A instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alumnicoach85 Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 You made a excellent point right, I really think it shouldn't be any coaches on the board based on they gone vote how they feel not for everyone else. BTW- I noticed that Fulton stayed at the very top of 2A in classification numbers. How many think Jody Wright would have changed his vote for more classes if they would have moved to a small 3A instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captnoname Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Bigchief, pardon me for butting in here but that is crap. No offense, but TSSAA is making money on basketball. Maybe not at the State Tournament but they are making money on everything else. You could still have six classes and have a quality state tournament- just reduce it to the Final 4 instead of the Final 8. Alabama does that and they have great crowds at the Birmingham Civic Center. It is a lot bigger than the Murphy Center. I am not saying it is full but they have great crowds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigchief Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 But then you eliminate 4 teams from each class from "going to state", which defeats the whole participation medal mentality that has taken over high school sports anyway. That is the real reason for having classes in the first place and the absolute reason that Division 2 was formed. "So and so can do this and go to state and I can't. It is just not fair". Wah wah wah Sad but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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