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TeeterTot

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18 hours ago, Osage said:

Central Zone is a deep tournament. The Open Divisions in particular had multiple teams at pretty much every age division who have a chance to compete for National Championships. I'm surprised TPV wasn't there... it's not a USA Volleyball event, so they could have gone. With a couple of exceptions, Alliance teams finished within shouting distance of their original seeds. I wouldn't have expected them to do much different than they did.

Turning to Power League... only 3 TPV teams entered. Why so few? I think this will be a good weekend for that 16's team. Their opening pool isn't very strong, and though I'd expect the Sunday match-ups to be more competitive, I still don't see either team from the other pool beating them.

 

 

 

 

 

Central Zone offers an early season chance for a team to compare itself against good “Open level” competition.  “Top 2-4” finishing teams in each age division can be competitive in National Championship tournament play – beyond that, probably not.  

 

 

Osage - TPV plays the 3-day JVA World tournament in early April instead of Central Zone.

 

 

Alliance teams finished within “Shouting Distance” of their original seeds? 

Out of 6 teams (12-17):

0 exceeded their seeds

1 matched their seed (15's)

5 underperformed their seed (4 out of 5 missed their seed by 5 spots or more)  

 

 

  12's 13's 14's
Original Seed 4 4 7
Order of Finish 12 9 16
# of Teams 16 18 18
SUN's Pool Silver Silver Bronze
       
Sat AM - 1-1 0-2
Sat PM - 0-2 0-2
Sat 1-2 - -
Sun 1-1 2-0 1-1
Overall 2-3 3-3 1-5
       
       
       
  15's 16's 17's
Original Seed 19 17 13
Order of Finish 19 24 T-15
# of Teams 27 27 27
SUN's Pool Bronze Copper Silver A
       
Sat AM 0-2 0-2 1-1
Sat PM 2-0 1-1 0-2
Sat - - -
Sun 2-0 0-2 1-1
Overall 4-2 1-5 2-4

Osage correctly stated that a good measure of national competitiveness is Gold bracket finishes in larger tournaments like BlueGrass, Triple Crown, Qualifiers and Nationals.  And maybe some wins here and there against teams that have Gold bracket finishes.  Alliance had close calls with some good teams but not with any of the top placing teams. Looking to redeem this weekend.

 

 

 

Mideast Power League (MEPL):

 

This is 1st year participation for both Alliance and TPV in the MEPL Power League (MEPL) - both Clubs likely reassess sending their #1 and #2 teams at the end of year 1. 

Weekend #1 (only 17's/18's played)

   
Alliance 18-1's 4-1
Alliance 17-1's 3-2
Alliance 17-2's 1-4
   
TPV 18 Paragon 3-2
TPV 18 Bravo 2-3

Safe travel and good luck to all.

 
   
   
   
   
 

 

 
   
   

 

 
 

 

 

 

 

 
   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Interesting to see that TPV went 2-2 this weekend.  Saw they lost to Kiva 15. I Couldn’t find who else they lost to.  Alliance 16-1 went 5-0. Beat Kiva red.  Seems like they have figured out a lineup since that rough start.   Great weekend for those kids.  

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On 2/1/2019 at 5:12 AM, Apostle said:

Alliance teams finished within “Shouting Distance” of their original seeds? 

Out of 6 teams (12-17):

0 exceeded their seeds

1 matched their seed (15's)

5 underperformed their seed (4 out of 5 missed their seed by 5 spots or more)  

You had more time to spend on the question than I did. I agree that the younger Alliance teams should probably be disappointed in their central zone finishes. And though it's hard to get excited about finishing 24th in a 27 team field, results suggest that 16's team competed well and lost close games to good teams. 

I also stand behind my comment about the depth of that tournament, especially at the Open divisions. Any event where the top teams from Legacy, KIVA, Circle City, Milwaukee Sting, Mintonette and AVC Cleveland are playing is a really deep event, regardless of age division. Then throw in a few other one-offs from Lions, A5, Michigan Elite, Tri-State and others bringing strength at various age levels. Good early season test with a lot of teams that will be in the National Championship conversation in June. 

Congrats to the TPV 18 2 team for another strong weekend, and for the 18 1 team for sweeping their weekend. Results say the TPV 16's lost to the KIVA 15-2s, and Munciana 15-1s, no shame there, those are good teams.

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I do not think TPV 16's should be losing to a 15-2 team with all the talent they have on that team.  That is surprising to me.  I can understand the Munciana loss I guess.  Not saying it's a bad loss, but def surprising.   Am I wrong?   

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51 minutes ago, clifford20 said:

I do not think TPV 16's should be losing to a 15-2 team with all the talent they have on that team.  That is surprising to me.  I can understand the Munciana loss I guess.  Not saying it's a bad loss, but def surprising.   Am I wrong?   

Both bad losses.  There were a couple players who were off their game during the weekend for sure, especially the loss to Kiva.  They beat the same Kiva team fairly easily in the last game,     

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I've been traveling a lot for work and haven't been able to post much.  

 

I have talked to several people about the current travel volleyball environment in middle Tennessee and they are under the same impression as most of us:  TPV will be the "go to club" within in two years, maybe next year.  Parents are not happy with how things are going and have already reached out to TPV about next year.  This years migration of players along with the head to head results have caught the attention of several parents across all age groups who were not open to changing in the past.  Will certainly be interesting to see what happens

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interested in knowing what the issues they have been disappointed with?   Not suggesting that there aren't issues.  Just curious.  btw, I have heard some rumblings as well, but no different than most years

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3 hours ago, TeeterTot said:

I've been traveling a lot for work and haven't been able to post much.  

 

I have talked to several people about the current travel volleyball environment in middle Tennessee and they are under the same impression as most of us:  TPV will be the "go to club" within in two years, maybe next year.  Parents are not happy with how things are going and have already reached out to TPV about next year.  This years migration of players along with the head to head results have caught the attention of several parents across all age groups who were not open to changing in the past.  Will certainly be interesting to see what happens

I'm glad we've aged out.  I do agree with the impression though.

 

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2 hours ago, clifford20 said:

interested in knowing what the issues they have been disappointed with?  

 

Agree with Clifford... watching from a distance, seems like most teams are performing in line with expectations, and I am surprised to hear people disappointed at the halfway mark of the season. The macro view, though, I guess could hide concerns specific families might have regarding playing time, role, etc.

 

@TT: do I assume correctly that these are Alliance families who will be playing for TPV next year? What do they think will be different when they make the move?

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38 minutes ago, Osage said:

 

Agree with Clifford... watching from a distance, seems like most teams are performing in line with expectations, and I am surprised to hear people disappointed at the halfway mark of the season. The macro view, though, I guess could hide concerns specific families might have regarding playing time, role, etc.

 

@TT: do I assume correctly that these are Alliance families who will be playing for TPV next year? What do they think will be different when they make the move?

Osage: It is Alliance families but they have mentioned MidTN along with TPV.  Training and politics is the top reasons.  It's not playing time because these players are contributors to their team.  

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Ok. I still think that if anyone is so dispirited at this point in the season, it's a matter of expectations not being met. How?

  • Somebody (coach, club leadership, teammates, other parents) isn't upholding their end
  • Expectations were unreasonable in the first place
  • Expectations were unspoken or not even really known or understood by those who held them

My point earlier stands... seems to me the first half of the season, on paper, has played out in line with reasonable expectations. People who aren't happy right now may struggle to find what they think they are looking for.

And that would be unfortunate. At the end of the day, it will be best for the sport, and best for the sport's continued growth in the region, for everyone to be where they want to be. As Apostle is subtly pointing out in the other thread, it's arguable we've taken a step back so far this season, relative to national competition. That's a matter of how the top (Open / Premiere) level teams have fared these first few months. But there is an army of kids playing at younger ages and lower competitive levels, probably more than ever before. Those kids are the future of middle TN volleyball. 

That's where the clubs need to step up: they need to assign quality coaches to the younger teams. If I ran a club (I don't, which is probably clear), the top coach would always coach the top 14's team. Coaches with lots of experience, who think a lot of themselves and their abilities...  they shouldn't be spending all their time with the older kids who are already mostly who and what they are going to be as players. That's easy, and it's lazy. They'll make a bigger impact doing the hard work with younger kids. 

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I couldn't agree with Osage more.  I honestly don't get the politics part of complaints.  As I have stated so many times before, parents call it "politics" when they have a play time or position issue.    I could be completely naïve to this, but I have been around club/high school volleyball for a long time.  Not saying that a club doesn't make a decision around a relationship occasionally.  if I kid has been playing with a club for 6-7 years and they are pretty even with a brand new kid-- I would 100% give the nod to the family that has invested in that club.  Call that politics or whatever, it's good business.  I think TPV is doing a great job. Not sure their training is much different than Alliance or any other club, but regardless it's 100% a good thing they are here.   I don't like how it all went down, but that's life. 

 

I agree also with coaching at the youngest ages.  IT HAS TO HAPPEN.   12-14 are critical years.   Alliances best coach in now the director, which hurts.   Alliances 16's are performing actually better than I anticipated and TPV's team is starting to get better.   Alliance 17's are also about where I would expect them to be.  

 

TPV is pushing alliance to be better--and I think they will be.  Obviously Alliance has pushed TPV, other wise they wouldn't have raided a team that ALLIANCE PARTIALLY DEVELOPED.  Morgan, Shay, Claire, etc are all Alliance kids.   

 

Ethos has helped middle TN volleyball.  MTN has helped.  They aren't nearly as strong as the others, but they have done good work. 

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