DevilMan03 Posted October 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, hohmaster said: Greeneville lost two very close games to two top ranked teams, on the road, after losing the talent they did from last years team, and you're questioning the coaches???? Most definitely especially offensive play calling and clock management Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Ball Fan Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) My observation is, this is a troubling loss if you're a Greeneville fan. They've really only played 2 "good" teams this year, and struggled in both. The defensive backfield is porous at times. Much of their success is due to the superior conditioning, but in both losses, they didn't seem to have a significant edge, and this played a factor. One glaring problem is the lack of a consistent passing game. There were some bad throws last night, but it's not fair to compare Drew Gregg's offense to Cade Ballard's. How many times did we see Ballard toss the ball behind the line of scrimmage to one of either Cameron Hite, or Dorien Goddard, and watch the other help clear a path to the endzone. Hite and Goddard were big targets that could run over people either with the ball or while blocking for others. If we are honest, Gregg/Blayne Ferguson and Ballard aren't having to make the same throws under the same conditions, and they don't have the same personnel. Watching the Greeneville program for the past few years has been special, particularly the previous two seasons. We became accustomed to seeing them get the ball, and you knew that the first team offense would score in a few plays, and there was little question about it. Today, they are still a good football team, but they are grouped in with a lot of other good teams. The margin for error is much smaller than in previous years. Unfortunately for GHS, the schedule for the next 2 weeks and opening the playoffs probably won't offer a challenge, so they won't know if they have fixed any issues. It's likely that none of us will know until they play at Elizabethton in a few weeks. A couple last comments: 1) We are fortunate to have local tv coverage for high school football. That crowd was unbelievable, and it was on tv. I can only imagine how much more crowded it would have been if there was no tv coverage. 2)I try to never complain about announcers regardless of the level. I think fans are too sensitive, and think announcers are always for the other team. However, as the game wore on, it seemed that Paul Johnson was overly excited as Elizabethton picked up steam. I didn't say anything, but my wife came into the room as I was watching, and voiced the same thought without my having said a word. I think PJ is one of the best local sports guys that we have, but I wonder if many in the area are tired of the dominance of GHS for the past few years, and are ready for someone to knock them down a few notches. If so, I fully understand it, as it happens in all sports. Edited October 19, 2019 by B-Ball Fan additional thought 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 Devil why did they keep giving it to youngblood up middle? #25 was the player last night all they had to do was feed him. Also does greeneville have a passing game at all? I know elizabethton defense had a lot to do with it but they are not the 85 bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hohmaster Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, DevilMan03 said: Most definitely especially offensive play calling and clock management Yeah, most fans are better at calling plays than coaches are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hohmaster Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, B-Ball Fan said: My observation is, this is a troubling loss if you're a Greeneville fan. They've really only played 2 "good" teams this year, and struggled in both. The defensive backfield is porous at times. Much of their success is due to the superior conditioning, but in both losses, they didn't seem to have a significant edge, and this played a factor. One glaring problem is the lack of a consistent passing game. There were some bad throws last night, but it's not fair to compare Drew Gregg's offense to Cade Ballard's. How many times did we see Ballard toss the ball behind the line of scrimmage to one of either Cameron Hite, or Dorien Goddard, and watch the other help clear a path to the endzone. Hite and Goddard were big targets that could run over people either with the ball or while blocking for others. If we are honest, Gregg/Blayne Ferguson and Ballard aren't having to make the same throws under the same conditions. Watching the Greeneville program for the past few years has been special, particularly the previous two seasons. We became accustomed to seeing them get the ball, and you knew that the first team offense would score in a few plays, and there was little question about it. Today, they are still a good football team, but they are grouped in with a lot of other good teams. The margin for error is much smaller than in previous years. Unfortunately for GHS, the schedule for the next 2 weeks and opening the playoffs probably won't offer a challenge, so they won't know if they have fixed any issues. It's likely that none of us will know until they play at Elizabethton in a few weeks. A couple last comments: 1) We are fortunate to have local tv coverage for high school football. That crowd was unbelievable, and it was on tv. I can only imagine how much worse it would have been if there was no tv coverage. 2)I try to never complain about announcers regardless of the level. I think fans are too sensitive, and think announcers are always for the other team. However, as the game wore on, it seemed that Paul Johnson was overly excited as Elizabethton picked up steam. I didn't say anything, but my wife came into the room as I was watching, and voiced the same thought without my having said a word. I think PJ is one of the best local sports guys that we have, but I wonder if many in the area are tired of the dominance of GHS for the past few years, and are ready for someone to knock them down a few notches. If so, I fully understand it, as it happens in all sports. You brought up some good points. Basically, Greeneville fans got spoiled the last few years and now "some" of their fans think it's their birthright to go undefeated every year. They don't consider the attrition from last years' awesome team, so it's easy to place the blame on the new coaching staff. I'll say it again - losing two games by a total of 5 points on the road to two top-ranked teams is something knowledgeable fans are proud of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjm70 Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 According to coach t standings Greeneville went to number 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawnman Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, jjm70 said: According to coach t standings Greeneville went to number 13 They will still be in the top 5 in the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjm70 Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 https://www.coacht.com/tennessee/standings/standings.cfm?seasonid=347&groupid=23,4, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greendevil87 Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, hohmaster said: Greeneville lost two very close games to two top ranked teams, on the road, after losing the talent they did from last years team, and you're questioning the coaches???? Close competitive game's. Some times come down to coaches decisions. Both those games were winnable. It's crunch time when you need to make the right play calls. Not run between the guard's 20 time's for about 30 yards. Why not option it to Gudger or run a pitch and get him outside with his speed and quickness. No we just continue to beat our heads against the wall and run straight up the middle. Team's or not going to let ty youngblood beat them this year. They are stacking the box and run blitzing right at Ty . Screen passes to Mason out in the flat would have been huge if we would have tried it. What about a reverse or a end around to Stephenson kid runs a 4:4 forty yard dash and we can't get him the Ball. How about clock management at the end of the first half. With 8 seconds left from the 20 elizabethton is going to play against a pass to the endzone. And make you throw it in front of them. In that case why take a chance on throwing it at all. The clock could have ran out it could have been intercepted it what happened intentional grounding. The kid is a good Kicker I have confidence in him from less than 40 yard's. If they would have just kicked it with 8 seconds left it would have been 37 yard's. How about this you have a timeout left run it with Mason he might have broken another one if not you call timeout and kick the field goal if he gains 5 yard's it's a 32 yard kick. But no we did what we did and it was 54 yard's which I can't even believe he attempted. Would have been nice to have those 3 points at the end of the game Edited October 19, 2019 by Greendevil87 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MavMan05 Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 1 hour ago, jjm70 said: https://www.coacht.com/tennessee/standings/standings.cfm?seasonid=347&groupid=23,4, Was Greeneville up 21 to 7? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greendevil87 Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 Yes it was 21-7 in the 3rd quarter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpreadAttack Posted October 19, 2019 Report Share Posted October 19, 2019 3 hours ago, VolsBy40 said: What a game this was! I am from Greeneville and made the trip to Elizabethton because I knew this one would be a good one. I have one complaint though. The TSSAA. Why in the world would they have a Greeneville High School graduate as a referee this game? Also had his dad (who is a known Greene Devil supporter and very well could’ve went to Gville himself) as a referee running the clock. Some of you may know who I’m talking about. I won’t name any names. I just think they need to look into picking their officials a little better/smarter. Still a great game though. So you’re “from Greeneville” and are complaining about referees working the game being from Greeneville? Give me a break. It obviously wasn’t enough to overcome the homer white hat... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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