Sportsismyaddiction Posted October 19, 2022 Report Share Posted October 19, 2022 I have a serious question that I would love to have a debate about. This is a sensitive topic and I want to first put out there, that this is not about any particular Coach or school. I just know that this situation has or could arise in any sport at any school. Do Coaches or should Coaches hide or dispose of college letters or information about players in their program? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRB Posted October 29, 2022 Report Share Posted October 29, 2022 Are you asking if HS coaches are being contacted by college coaches about a specific player and then purposely not informing the player about the college interest? Or HS coaches not contacting colleges at the request of the player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbg Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 Let’s answer the questions in three parts: 1. Yes, there are a few high school coaches that do not pass along letters or inquiring phone calls from college coaches. This does not happen often and in most instances it’s due to a bad relationship between the high school coach and family of the player. 2. I have found that very few high school coaches feel comfortable reaching out to college coaches on a players behalf. IMO, the really successful high school coaches have a good relationship with several college coaches and have no problem promoting their players. On the other hand many high school coaches are either lazy or totally intimidated by the thought of picking up the phone and calling a college baseball coach. 3. A majority of the time players are discovered by playing on their summer league teams and the recruiting process completely bypasses the high school coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofthepast2021 Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 1 hour ago, cbg said: Let’s answer the questions in three parts: 1. Yes, there are a few high school coaches that do not pass along letters or inquiring phone calls from college coaches. This does not happen often and in most instances it’s due to a bad relationship between the high school coach and family of the player. 2. I have found that very few high school coaches feel comfortable reaching out to college coaches on a players behalf. IMO, the really successful high school coaches have a good relationship with several college coaches and have no problem promoting their players. On the other hand many high school coaches are either lazy or totally intimidated by the thought of picking up the phone and calling a college baseball coach. 3. A majority of the time players are discovered by playing on their summer league teams and the recruiting process completely bypasses the high school coach. #3 - sounds like a pay for play coach if I've ever heard one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbg Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, ghostofthepast2021 said: #3 - sounds like a pay for play coach if I've ever heard one Do the high school coaches not get paid? Look, you and others may not like the higher level summer league coaches but 95% of the time they are the ones that get the kids seen and recruited by the larger d1 college programs. The days of the college coaches attending high school games during the week and summer league double headers are long gone. The college recruiters are looking at a recruiting profile list and going to a few “BIG TIME” tournaments which are in the summer. Recruiting is one of the most in exact sciences on the planet. If a kid fails to fit into size profile of the recruiter they are passed over most of the time. Everyone has their place during the recruitment process. Edited December 10, 2022 by cbg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofthepast2021 Posted December 10, 2022 Report Share Posted December 10, 2022 2 hours ago, cbg said: Do the high school coaches not get paid? Look, you and others may not like the higher level summer league coaches but 95% of the time they are the ones that get the kids seen and recruited by the larger d1 college programs. The days of the college coaches attending high school games during the week and summer league double headers are long gone. The college recruiters are looking at a recruiting profile list and going to a few “BIG TIME” tournaments which are in the summer. Recruiting is one of the most in exact sciences on the planet. If a kid fails to fit into size profile of the recruiter they are passed over most of the time. Everyone has their place during the recruitment process. Everyone knows clubs, aau, non school leagues are about making money for administrators. I coach and can tell you I get more juco, and 4 year hits than local clubs. For every 1 kid in club ball that gets division 1, there are dozens who end up at Maryville or some school with no scholarship program. This is all just a sales pitch, gotta keep making money for administration, and pretending like it is the only way. Gatekeeping hurts sports, and that is all you are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbg Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 5 hours ago, ghostofthepast2021 said: Everyone knows clubs, aau, non school leagues are about making money for administrators. I coach and can tell you I get more juco, and 4 year hits than local clubs. For every 1 kid in club ball that gets division 1, there are dozens who end up at Maryville or some school with no scholarship program. This is all just a sales pitch, gotta keep making money for administration, and pretending like it is the only way. Gatekeeping hurts sports, and that is all you are doing. What about the baseball players that want to play in the Ivy League or another academic school such at Boston College, Stanford, Rice, Northwestern, etc… do you have contacts with those coaches to get the kids signed. Like it or not everyone has a roll in the recruiting process and it really takes a village. Not all kids or their parents want them to play at the local JC or even the local four year college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostofthepast2021 Posted December 11, 2022 Report Share Posted December 11, 2022 14 hours ago, cbg said: What about the baseball players that want to play in the Ivy League or another academic school such at Boston College, Stanford, Rice, Northwestern, etc… do you have contacts with those coaches to get the kids signed. Like it or not everyone has a roll in the recruiting process and it really takes a village. Not all kids or their parents want them to play at the local JC or even the local four year college. Club and travel exist for the admin salaries, no other reason. Take away those salaries and see how long the organizations remain. I think they are useful, but anyone who says club, aau, travel is superior to HS is most likely benefiting from selling parents the thousands of dollars a year dream, and almost all a parents I know who have went that route, spent more on travel than they got back in scholarship. It's gatekeeping, and then we wonder why we aren't getting the best athletes in all sports now. Look at USA mens soccer, total gatekeeping programs, and they have the best facilities, best everything, but still can't get the best athletes because of this nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TryNotToSuck Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 On 10/19/2022 at 11:32 AM, Sportsismyaddiction said: I have a serious question that I would love to have a debate about. This is a sensitive topic and I want to first put out there, that this is not about any particular Coach or school. I just know that this situation has or could arise in any sport at any school. Do Coaches or should Coaches hide or dispose of college letters or information about players in their program? In today's world, High School baseball coaches are set up to fail from the beginning. All high school football players have is their game film and camps to showcase their talent. There's not a "winter/spring travel league" for high school football players. With that, the HS football coaches have full control of their players. In addition, many college football coaches are inside the schools recruiting their players (that are seniors or younger players). That is currently happening right now. College football coaches are inside the high schools today. So the answer, I'm going to lean yes. If a high school player isn't focused on playing for the high school that he represents, and cares truly about his high school, then I'm probably not going to sit there and send information out to that player to colleges. I think kids care more about their summer league than their high school team, which is painful to say really. What's odd is high school players thinking that playing "more baseball" is going to get them to college baseball, and that's not true. What will get that kid to college baseball is lifting and working on their bodies to improve. Playing 30-35 High school baseball games, 60+ summer games, and not doing any offseason workouts on their own, is not going to get a kid to college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prich01 Posted December 20, 2022 Report Share Posted December 20, 2022 I don't know of a single HS baseball coach worth his salt that wouldn't lobby for his players. However, this needs to be a process that is done alongside the student-athlete. Questions like, how far from home are you willing to travel? What do you want to study? What can you afford? Where would you like to play? The answers to these questions alone help both the coach and the player/family move in a direction that moves toward a desired solution. The summer baseball program/coach can certainly help. The more advocating for the student-athlete the better. Guys that care about their players are doing this and I'm confident there are more of these than the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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