Too many classes discussion

[Indian]

3 hours ago, Appvol said:

Looks like there would be about 60 schools per class the way the poster did it

Yes

[tradertwo]

13 hours ago, crow said:

I’d like to see 4 but 5 is better than 6. 

In my opinion, the schools should be divided into classifications Irregardless of athletics... to put it simply, just use the basketball, baseball, ect... classifications, and every sport keep their common opponents across the board. We're on the eastern side of the west division, and for several years we travelled east to play football and west for everything else. I (sort of) understand using only football playing schools when setting the classes, but wouldn't it make more sense to place a school for all sports rather than change the metrics for each?

 There are 294 football schools separated into six classes, and 332 basketball/baseball divided into four... surely there's a logical solution in there someplace to find a happy medium.

Edited December 13, 2022 by tradertwo

[Indian]

4 class seems to make it a little "off" as far as regions or districts, 75 or so in each class would average 9 teams in eight regions or less than 5 in 16 districts. 12 regions might work but you'd run into first round byes, unless the playoff selection took an even amount of teams (such as top 2 in each region and 8 wild cards). 

[Pirate2003]

16 hours ago, crow said:

I’d like to see 4 but 5 is better than 6. 

That’s never going to happen in the public sector. The schools with 150 kids would be playing schools with 650-700. 
 

If they wanted to cut anything it should be the private division. Count the teams per class there compared to the public. That private league only needs 2 classes. 

[Pirate2003]

Does anyone know how many total football playing schools we had in 2009 when they went to these classes in comparison to now?

[Indian]

Looks like about 350 

[rlh]

1 hour ago, Pirate2003 said:

That’s never going to happen in the public sector. The schools with 150 kids would be playing schools with 650-700. 
 

If they wanted to cut anything it should be the private division. Count the teams per class there compared to the public. That private league only needs 2 classes. 

No they wouldn't.  The cut off would like be 400.  There was a time in the A-AA-AAA system that the classifications weren't symmetrical with set cutoffs.  IIRC, they balanced out A-A-AAA in the mid80s.  In a 4 classification system they could go with an unsymmetrical 4 classifications with 1a being up to  401 to 800 would be 2a, 801 to 1200 would be 3a and anything over that would be 4a. 

In 2007 and the 1st time SP played Union City the cut of was either 399 or 400 for 1a.

Edited December 13, 2022 by rlh

[crow]

2 hours ago, rlh said:

No they wouldn't.  The cut off would like be 400.  There was a time in the A-AA-AAA system that the classifications weren't symmetrical with set cutoffs.  IIRC, they balanced out A-A-AAA in the mid80s.  In a 4 classification system they could go with an unsymmetrical 4 classifications with 1a being up to  401 to 800 would be 2a, 801 to 1200 would be 3a and anything over that would be 4a. 

In 2007 and the 1st time SP played Union City the cut of was either 399 or 400 for 1a.

Yep ‘07 was a 5 class system and 1A was right around 400. 

[crow]

3 hours ago, Pirate2003 said:

That’s never going to happen in the public sector. The schools with 150 kids would be playing schools with 650-700. 
 

If they wanted to cut anything it should be the private division. Count the teams per class there compared to the public. That private league only needs 2 classes. 

Did small schools ever win a championship when there were 3 classes? Seems like they did then also. To many classes, watered down playoffs. November games are the T$$AA Version of participation trophies. Making the post season means absolutely nothing in Tennessee now. All but 8-10 teams per classification make the cut now. Until you let less than half the field into the playoffs we will continue to get what we’ve been seeing. I mean we made the playoffs this year. We were no where near what a post season team should’ve been but there we were. 

[crow]

7 hours ago, Indian said:

4 class seems to make it a little "off" as far as regions or districts, 75 or so in each class would average 9 teams in eight regions or less than 5 in 16 districts. 12 regions might work but you'd run into first round byes, unless the playoff selection took an even amount of teams (such as top 2 in each region and 8 wild cards). 

16 districts, top 2 teams from each district, 8 regions top 4. Who cares if there’s 8, 9 or 10 teams in a region or 5 or 6 in a district. There will be ~75 teams per classification and post season would once again be an accomplishment that good teams could achieve. If you’re not a top 4 out of 8 or 9 or top 2 out of 5 or 6 you’re not getting out of the first or second round anyway. I say make the playoffs fun to watch again. 

[Indian]

Teams with some of their biggest money games outside the district and seeing them possibly cut would definitely care.

[crow]

5 hours ago, Indian said:

Teams with some of their biggest money games outside the district and seeing them possibly cut would definitely care.

Then do 16 districts. With roughly 300 schools and 4 classes you’d have about 75 per class and have 4 or 5 team districts. Maybe an occasional 6 team district. Leaves 5 or 6 OOD games each year. Even a big district would have 3-4 OOD games available. 

Edited December 14, 2022 by crow