1-26-04 AP Coaches Poll

[Sommers]

Yeh soms that forfiet goes to a different wrestler now making McCallie that much stronger. Most dont want Bradley to be number one so they manufacture reasons. Besides, McCallie will have their hands full with Baylor next time around and may not win some of the pivotal toss up matchups they were able to pull off the other night. McCallie is very strong, they hung on to one point win vs a very good Soddy team. However at the risk of rehashing already know facts, bradley beat that same Soddy team by 21. They beat Collins Hill by 26(sorry RMC not trying to rub it in) the same team that beat bayler by 10 and etc., etc. etc. Now they beat Parkview, who thrashed everyone all year , a team that beat collins hill etc., etc., etc., and we come up with a scenario that Bradley may not be no. 1 . Well they may not be, and O.J. may be innocent. Maybe Johnny Cochran voted in the AP poll this week. Bradley also does this without shuffelling a lineup that includes a 103. I may be wrong fellow posters but this one is obvious. The head to head comments are about to fly out of the woodwork but this year with all the common opponents that argument wont flly either. Ill sit back now and wait for all the grenades. You all know in your heart Im right, you hate it but Im right.

Point well made. You're not a Morris are you? You sound like the man hiimself.

 

soms

[Raider76]

BAYLOR BEAT SODDY BY APROX 20 AT MCCETCHERN, MCCALLIE ONLY BEAT SODDY BY 1. DOES THIS MEAN BAYLOR IS BETTER? NO MCCALLIE BEAT BAYLOR BY 11. THE POINT BEING WE MUST WRESTLE TO DETERMINE WHO IS #1. MY HAT IS OFF TO SODDY IT SEEMS THEY WILL WRESTLE ANYONE WITHOUT MAKING EXCUSES.

[Brickhousechick]

Its not excuses, you know it and by now anybody with any knowledge of the current history of area wrestling knows it. There are reasons things are the way they are whether or not you agree with one side or the other.Bradley as even most Bradley haters know is the best team in the state this year period. Like I said in the earlier post, you dont like it, but you know it. I agree with you about Soddy, they are good. so is Baylor, So is McCallie, but Bradley is better. By the way does Baylor wrestle McMinn? Because if they dont you really cant say your better than them? That logic never ends. But this controversy for this year is over. Good luck in your upcoming battle with McCallie.I think you may split with them and help eliminate the controversay in your mind as well.(and I wasnt comparing your team to McMinns. I was illustrating a point. So save the outrage.) RMC I would like to apologize for breaking the mention of a Collins Hill defeat twice in the same post. But I do admire your candidness. It was a low blow, but no animosity intended. It was to help illustrate a point you already acknowledged. You have great tradition and a great program. I enjoy hearing your point of view. Even when you werent sure Bradley would beat Parkview. Good luck to you the rest of the year. Ill try to keep up with ettiquette from here on out LOL. At least you have a sense of humor.

Edited January 30, 2004 by Brickhousechick

[RefuseToLose]

I’m not trying to offend anyone here, but no one will really know who the best team is until they wrestle each other. McCallie can claim they are the best team all day as well as Bradley can. But until these two teams wrestle no one can say whether one team is accurately better than the other. An arguement like this can only be determined on the MAT!!

[best_of_the_west]

Rather than bring up old points, you guys should just go back and read all the old threads (there are several) on this topic. That might save you some time.

[Brickhousechick]

So Baylor is not better than McMinn and Bradley is not better than Centennial. Neither wrestle those teams. You cant solve them all on the mat. Wait Im wrong, we could wrestle a eighty some match schedule in public and then all the private schools and then all the................. otherwise, whos no. 1? oh, and lsu and southern cal forgot to schedule william and mary so they arnent no 1 either. The way its decided under the circumstances we have to deal with Bradley IS no. 1 period.Again save the outrage of the McMinn and Centennial comparisons. Just illustrating a point. Again....And your right as you often are btow--sorry got carried away.

Edited January 30, 2004 by Brickhousechick

[best_of_the_west]

No problem. Just letting you guys know that there are a lot of good points on the old threads. You might want to check them out.

[dblduce]

RMC,

 

Thank's for the compliment. But a State Duals title for Bradley is a long way from a sure thing.

 

We only have to go back to the 2001-2 season. Bradley beat Soddy in the regular season. Soddy was able to do some bumping and won the final 35-30. The same Bradley team went on to win the Traditional Tournament by almost 60 poits, BC put 6 in the finals, Soddy put 3. BC had 6 champions, Soddy had 2.

 

You know as well as anyone that State Tournaments do strange things to teams and wrestlers. IMHO Bradley has had the best team in the state each of the last 6 years but we only have won 4 of the last 6 State Dual titles. Is that becuase BC choked or didn't wrestle well? No, it's because Clarksville and Soddy accepted the challenge and wrestled great.

 

I will admit BC should be the favorite but when BC takes the mat they generally see the best the opponent has to offer. Soddy is very good and extremly well coached. Bradley will see an entirely different lineup that the one Soddy sent out last week. It will be fun and I am looking forward to it.

bayoubear:

 

You made the statement that Soddy would have an entirely different line-up? Please share with us your opinion on Soddy's strategy. This I've got to hear.

[Sommers]

RMC,

 

Thank's for the compliment. But a State Duals title for Bradley is a long way from a sure thing.

 

We only have to go back to the 2001-2 season. Bradley beat Soddy in the regular season. Soddy was able to do some bumping and won the final 35-30. The same Bradley team went on to win the Traditional Tournament by almost 60 poits, BC put 6 in the finals, Soddy put 3. BC had 6 champions, Soddy had 2.

 

You know as well as anyone that State Tournaments do strange things to teams and wrestlers. IMHO Bradley has had the best team in the state each of the last 6 years but we only have won 4 of the last 6 State Dual titles. Is that becuase BC choked or didn't wrestle well? No, it's because Clarksville and Soddy accepted the challenge and wrestled great.

 

I will admit BC should be the favorite but when BC takes the mat they generally see the best the opponent has to offer. Soddy is very good and extremly well coached. Bradley will see an entirely different lineup that the one Soddy sent out last week. It will be fun and I am looking forward to it.

bayoubear:

 

You made the statement that Soddy would have an entirely different line-up? Please share with us your opinion on Soddy's strategy. This I've got to hear.

Bradleys #1, then McCallie or Baylor "on any given day," Father Ryan could actually upset the red or blue for that matter, then it's a toss up between Soddy, Franklin, MBA, and then ND, CBHS, Clarksville, Kenwood, perhaps a Science Hill and another team from the left.

 

Soms

[dragonwrestler]

What about Collierville Soms, we are tied with Franklin for 8th.

[louden swain]

Well, since you put it in all CAPS Sommers, I guess it has to be correct (whatever). This is your opinion, polls are a number of people' opinions. THis is why polls stink, this is why D1 College football is stupid, the only level of football where they do not have a playoff. Even in Middle School football they have a playoff, just not NCAA D1. Anyhow, thank goodness we have a system that let's us settle it on the mat (for the most part.) This whole thread is because Bradley didn't get 3 #1 votes????? So what. 97 or 100 votes, big deal, still number #1, and Sommers, you definitely have a middle, east tennessee bias, maybe you have a hidden agenda, holding back Collierville when they are ranked 8th in the AP poll, and, for fun, just who has Notre Dame beaten to be thought of so highly?????, Or Clarksville???? or Science Hill?????? HMMMMMMMMM.................

[Sommers]

What about Collierville Soms, we are tied with Franklin for 8th.

woops, that's the team from the left I left off (look at my last phrase regarding the left). I personally believe you're right and they belong in the top ten as well.

 

I didn't think my opinion was valued that much.

 

soms

Edited January 30, 2004 by Sommers