Suggestions for wt mgt

[karelin]

This may take a while, but not half the time it takes to enter in the results of a quad-meet on-line. Just some thoughts on implementing the new weight management issues (something that isn't going to go away). Just think if football coaches had to weigh their players on July 25, after a Spring and Summer of lifting weights; I would wager that well over half the players could not keep from losing 1.5% per week of their weight consistently throughout the season. Football players lose more weight than many wrestlers; they don't mean to, but it happens with the grind of the season. One note before the suggestions, weight loss has always been the black-eye of the sport and we are being given a formula to fix the problem. It's a start but it needs some major tweaking. Some suggestions-

 

1. Check wrestlers weight loss progress ONLY if they change to a lower weight class(this will eliminate the silly concerns we now have about guys who compete in matches with weight-allowances or the guy who is simply a little lighter today). We had a 1 lb allowance Sat.; I had to multiply a wrestler's last weigh-in by .015 and divide that result by 7 and then multiply that by 3, to convey to the boy that he had to be .8 (.834 to exact) over scratch (or less) in order to wrestle Tue. No one should have to do all that if there is no intent to change weight classes. (I bet many hwts lose more than a 1/7 of 1.5% per day and they're not trying to cut any-same analogy used with football).

 

2. The dead zone (body fat 5-7%) at alpha weigh-in needs to be deleted. Why should a guy with 7.1 % be allowed to drop to a 5% weight, while a wrestler at 6.8% is stuck and PENALIZED to wrestle the weight class immediately above him. EVERYONE should be allowed to appeal to 5%-period.

 

3. Allow for a SECOND chance alpha date weigh-in, say the 3rd weekend of Dec., for those who want to. When kids weighed in for their alpha date they weren't in any shape yet, but they were weighed in at the wrestler's mode. For many, the season hadn't even started, and now many kids are wrestling way above where they could/should be. They are NOW in wrestling mode. The colleges allow for this-this year Dec 17.

 

4. Change the 1.5% to 3%. Personally I believe 3% isn't high enough for a well trained athlete.

 

5. (This isn't going to happen but wouldn't it be great) Fax names, results, and exact weigh-in weights, etc. to the TSSAA and let them put in ALL the data of every match-JV & varsity like we have to do.

 

Had an interesting conversation with a Ga coach this weekend; he said (don't know if he's right) that Ga wasn't a member of the Nat'l Fed and that they would never go to this weight management requirement. He may be right; they weigh in the morning for dual matches, and sometimes the night before for tournaments (like a Friday night for a two-day tourney).

[Drem2Achev]

Ga. smart TSSAA stupid. I know the way to fix the weight mgmt. system, do away with it and the organizations trying to kill wrestling.

[bhsOL]

Eat a lot of lean chicken or other protein sources for maitaining weight. You'll lose a little bit of weight if you don't eat too much, but you won't lose too much weight too fast.

[DAL]

Karelin, I agree with you suggetions.

 

I have not heard from 1, not 1, coach who likes this system. I now am beginning to believe, all though Karelin's suggestions are good one's, that the whole thing, well if not the whole thing a good part of it, needs to be scrapped. All it seems to be doing is ticking people off (coaches, wrestlers, trainers, parents)

 

We wrestled twice last night. After moving the mats, clocks, and tables back to our room, one of my managers and I sat down to type in the results on the NWCA Results page. The time 10:05 PM. By the time we were done, it was 11:05 PM. By the time I got home it was 11:32 PM.

 

Besides it being a rule, why do we have to type in the results to on the NWCA web site? For what purpose? This is a portion that needs to be cut.

 

Test a kid. Results show that the lowest weight a kid can go is 130. He weighs 140 at the time of the test. Don't give the kids a general timetable that he has to follow to lose the weight. People are different. Metabolisms are different. TRUST THE COACH/PARENT?ATHLETE.

 

Is the answer safety or money? I truly want to know.

[cchulk]

If you think the whole program should be scrapped, your missing the big picture. I agree that there are some problems with the program, of course, this is its first year. As a coach, I like the idea that kids don't feel like they have to drop two wt classes, because you know they don't or won't drop the weight safely.

 

You are more likely to be taken seriously if you provide practical suggestions for tweaking the program instead saying "scrap the whole dang thing".

[BayouBear]

If you think the whole program should be scrapped, your missing the big picture.  I agree that there are some problems with the program, of course, this is its first year.  As a coach, I like the idea that kids don't feel like they have to drop two wt classes, because you know they don't or won't drop the weight safely.

 

You are more likely to be taken seriously if you provide practical suggestions for tweaking the  program instead saying "scrap the whole dang thing".

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Perhaps you should explain the big picture to those of us who are obviously not seeing it.

 

By next season, the only impact this program will have is the added paperwork and the associated BS. Wrestlers will be at the weights they want to be. They'll just have to do it on their own and get there a little earlier.

 

When you are describing the big picture to us, be sure and provide us with evidence of these programs being safer.

[DAL]

As I stated, a part, or good portion of the program needs to be scrapped.

 

Why do our results have to be typed in after all contests? Why? Give me an answer other than, "its the rule!"

 

TRUST THE COACHES/PARENTS/DOCTORS/WRESTLERS to do what is on the best interest of the athlete.

 

cchulk, heck somebody, enlighten those of us who can't see the Big Picture. Don't forget the $.

[TDArtist]

Sure the paperwork is a hassle, but this whole thing is easier for me. No more guessing games about where a kid should wrestle, just step on the scale and there you go. I do think that there are some problems with the descent - like getting 2 pounds on Saturday and violating your descent for Tuesday. But that's what the program is for, to keep people from dropping weight too quickly. I like it that I don't have guys cutting more than 2 or 3 pounds after Thanksgiving because they are closer to their natural weight. Most of our wrestlers are close to weight after a good 1.5 hour practice, that's a real stress buster in itself.

[cchulk]

One of you just said, kids will start losing weight earlier. Good. You all know people who used to lose 6 pounds in one day or 12 pounds in two days- yeah thats safe. The program has eliminated that. You cant do it before fat testing either cause you won't pass hydration. This program stops a lot of people from doing a lot(not all) of the stupid things I did as a wrestler. It's not perfect but it is a start towards improving the reputation of the sport.

[TojoYamamoto]

One of you just said, kids will start losing weight earlier.  Good.  You all know people who used to lose 6 pounds in one day or 12 pounds in two days- yeah thats safe.  The program has eliminated that.  You cant do it before fat testing either cause you won't pass hydration.  This program stops a lot of people from doing a lot(not all) of the stupid things I did as a wrestler.  It's not perfect but it is a start towards improving the reputation of the sport.

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Please don't project YOUR stupidity onto others! I personally believe that the coaches in our area do a wonderful job teaching and coaching nutrition and weight management, and have done so for years. I trust the judgement of these coaches above and beyond anything a computer can spit out. The program is so broad and general there is no way it can be truly accurate for each wrestler. However, a good coach knows his kids and their limits. How can stepping on a scale truly project a person's bofy fat percentage? It can't! I think Karelin is on the mark.

[bigwilly]

whats the best way to lose weight quickly, without starving urself??