Coach's Poll

[Brickhousechick]

maybe hide was a little harsh butwas my post not accurate though. if there are other motives for BC not wrestling D2 schools please bring those to light. sometimes the truth really does hurt.

lets get over it and wrestle if the b ball teams can compete why not wrestlers.

 

 

If you want to have light shed on this subject go back on coacht from about the year 1999 and read the one thousand two hundred and twenty seven threads that are titled as or similar to:WHY WONT BRADLEY WRESTLE McCALLIE OR BAYLOR?When your finished with the eighty six thousand nine hundred and forty nine posts that seem drearily familiar to one another, you may understand ,but Im sure ,as many on here do, you will continue to disagree. That is why this never ends. People cannot stand to see something continue they disagree with or dislike. They disagree with Bradley's stance(which you have that right) and they dislike their continued success. Sometime next wrestling season when you are through someone will post this same thing again. Then once again we can all relive this "Groundhog Day" experience.

[allsaints]

I think the reason BC doesn't wrestle McC or Bay is a desire to punish those programs for scholorships. BC is a great school no doupt, but lets be honest, if a parent has a chance to send his kid for free to McC or Bay, its an opportunity many will not turn down. BC, in their desire to protect their interest, feels like McC and Bay are not playing on an even field with public schools so this is their way to even up the odds. How many times have public school athletic programs seen talent lost to their private school athletic programs because of scholorships? It maybe a little bit of the "play by my rules or I am not going to play with you" but can you claim them?

 

This is not a slam at BC, its just my opinion of what is really happening. BC has the right to wrestle whoever they want to without any opologies. I just miss seeing these schools going at it and I think in the long run, the kids would like to have a go at each other.

 

Question: Should public schools have the best interest of the individual child in mind by actually promoting their kids to get scholorships or does that create bigger problems for the rest of the kids at public schools or does having a talented kid leave on a scholorship give another kid behind him a better chance? Which is the priority, the individual or the entire community?

 

Looking at Soddy-Daisy, I would say that a quality program will continue to succeed regardless of scholorship attrition or the bocotting of scholorship schools. Besides, not all kids will excell in a private school environment as they can in a public school anyway. So don't get your ego's all busted up with this post.

[nawdawg]

I think the reason BC doesn't wrestle McC or Bay is a desire to punish those programs for scholorships. BC is a great school no doupt, but lets be honest, if a parent has a chance to send his kid for free to McC or Bay, its an opportunity many will not turn down. BC, in their desire to protect their interest, feels like McC and Bay are not playing on an even field with public schools so this is their way to even up the odds. How many times have public school athletic programs seen talent lost to their private school athletic programs because of scholorships? It maybe a little bit of the "play by my rules or I am not going to play with you" but can you claim them?

 

This is not a slam at BC, its just my opinion of what is really happening. BC has the right to wrestle whoever they want to without any opologies. I just miss seeing these schools going at it and I think in the long run, the kids would like to have a go at each other.

 

Question: Should public schools have the best interest of the individual child in mind by actually promoting their kids to get scholorships or does that create bigger problems for the rest of the kids at public schools or does having a talented kid leave on a scholorship give another kid behind him a better chance? Which is the priority, the individual or the entire community?

 

Looking at Soddy-Daisy, I would say that a quality program will continue to succeed regardless of scholorship attrition or the bocotting of scholorship schools. Besides, not all kids will excell in a private school environment as they can in a public school anyway. So don't get your ego's all busted up with this post.

 

i think that the public school systems should always encourage their students to get scholarships if they believe that they are going to get a better education at the place from which the scholarship is offered.

[bigbadwolfTN]

Correct me if I am wrong but these scholarships that you are referring to is a need based system that neither Baylor or McCallie have nothing to do with. It is based on parents income and ability to pay to attend these schools. SCHOLARSHIPS ON THE BASIS OF ATHLETIC NEED ARE ILLEGAL.

[dragon12]

yea, but not the practice of a mississippi student moving up to TN with his mom who has "seperated" from her husband for just the 3 month period that is the baseball season. Rumors like this go on everywhere and in every sport.

[jakesdad]

Correct me if I am wrong but these scholarships that you are referring to is a need based system that neither Baylor or McCallie have nothing to do with. It is based on parents income and ability to pay to attend these schools. SCHOLARSHIPS ON THE BASIS OF ATHLETIC NEED ARE ILLEGAL.

 

 

Close to my understanding. I think the private schools have the lattitude to award up to the family's qualification without impacting athletic eligibility (qualification is determined by an independent third party organization). i.e. the amount of the award would be influenced by the student's assets...academic achievements, character, athletic ability, etc.

[BayouBear]

Original question.

 

Who votes on the coach's poll?

 

We have two names so far;

Luther Killian - McCallie

Al Miller - Cleveland

 

Is that it?

[allsaints]

Athletic scholorships are illegal as so is cheating on your taxes, driving over the speed limit, and Harry and BCB driving home after their meetings.

 

Then we can have a reality check: Are scholorships granted ONLY because of a need base or are there extenuating circumstances? If scholorships are ONLY based on need, then why doesn't McC and Bay have the very poorest of the poor sitting in the classrooms and joining the chess team instead of the Football team? Please don't insult this post by trying to wiggle in something bogus about the child being a fine young fellow that needs an opportunity and the fact that he is a GIANT and can run faster than superman is simply a coinsidence. Yes, I'm sure to even up the balance a few token non-athelits get scholorships too.

 

Public schools know this reality and is probably why BC won't wrestle McC or Bay. Don't get me wrong, I am for scholorships because they help a kid. There is no better reason. I also struggle every month to write that check and my kids may have to sit on the bench because of a "non-athletic" scholorship kid is in their way on the A team. That does hurt. Yes, in my self centered world I would rather have a less talented program and see my kid excell better as a result. But in the long run, what makes my kid rise to the occasion is competition, whether it has a financial boost associated with it or not.

[BayouBear]

Original question.

 

Who votes on the coach's poll?

 

We have two names so far;

Luther Killian - McCallie

Al Miller - Cleveland

 

Is that it?

 

 

Saint - I'm starting to like you but I think your in big trouble when the DII guys get back from the Friday lunch "meeting".

Edited February 10, 2006 by BayouBear

[aolisbad]

The coahes at McCallie put it together. It takes alot of time to do it, and they do it every week year after year.

Edited February 10, 2006 by aolisbad

[jakesdad]

Athletic scholorships are illegal as so is cheating on your taxes, driving over the speed limit, and Harry and BCB driving home after their meetings.

 

Then we can have a reality check: Are scholorships granted ONLY because of a need base or are there extenuating circumstances? If scholorships are ONLY based on need, then why doesn't McC and Bay have the very poorest of the poor sitting in the classrooms and joining the chess team instead of the Football team? Please don't insult this post by trying to wiggle in something bogus about the child being a fine young fellow that needs an opportunity and the fact that he is a GIANT and can run faster than superman is simply a coinsidence. Yes, I'm sure to even up the balance a few token non-athelits get scholorships too.

 

Public schools know this reality and is probably why BC won't wrestle McC or Bay. Don't get me wrong, I am for scholorships because they help a kid. There is no better reason. I also struggle every month to write that check and my kids may have to sit on the bench because of a "non-athletic" scholorship kid is in their way on the A team. That does hurt. Yes, in my self centered world I would rather have a less talented program and see my kid excell better as a result. But in the long run, what makes my kid rise to the occasion is competition, whether it has a financial boost associated with it or not.

 

I don't consider myself an expert on this subject, but I have very resently had a real experience with Baylor and McCallie. My view may not be exactly like anyone else has experienced, but it is credible. I have a child that was accepted at both schools; I went through the financial aid application process; qualified for nothing; was awarded nothing; I guess my child was not capable enough to warrant one of the 'extenuating circumstance' payments that you suggest happen. Maybe that's a good thing because we have been very pleased with every aspect of Ooltewah High School.

 

I left the Private school application process with only respect for the way that both schools conduct business. Their people and processes were straight and honest. I don't think the schools are loaded with 'poor kids' because they are loaded with kids whose parents who are successful financially and or make significant sacrifices to send their children. Allsaints, you suggest that these schools cheat on monetary awards like the rest of us drive over the speed limit and that extenuating circumstances are common. I don't want to be a smart butt, but I wish you would share some specific examples with us.

 

By the way Bear, Sly, and Chick I agree with your posts. You guys wrestle a very intense schedule and have exceptional success; keep up the good work!

Edited February 10, 2006 by jakesdad

[allsaints]

Jakesdad, please do not put words in my mouth. I never inferred that private schools cheat. I said that athletic scholorsips are illegel as cheating on taxes or driving over the speed limit. In other words, it happens and is ignored. Scholorships are probabaly given away for athletic ability once the financial need criteria is met. I have no specific examples of this nor can I confirm that AL Gore didn't invent the internet. I also said I am in favor of scholorships. Don't just read what you want to see.