Sullivan Central at TN High

[compusatman]

I am uninformed as to your game. As I said, Bad calls are a part of the game. If the calls were so flagrant they should be reviewed by the powers that be and the ones who made the calls should not be allowed back on the field to call the games. My problem was with the assumption that when you come to my place it was understood that the refs were always on our side. In a land of dreams and what should be, all officiating should be fair and just to all players and teams. I'm sure you will agree with me on that, because only those who would want an unfair advantage would want to keep those who will make favorable calls for their own team so they can come out on top in the contest.

 

I sincerely hope that they take care of the inappropriate actions of those who obviously did such a bad job.

 

To be quite honest Cowgirl, Mtn. City does have a BAD reputation for calling it the way they want to see it. Now I didn't come on here to start with you but if you must know the truth then there you go. The South/J County game of 05' was very bad...not bad enough to ask for someones resignation but it was bad. And yes, we just wrote it off as a bad night with a few bad calls. Everyone has to endure bad nights. The fact is that not only do you have swayed officiating in your house but you play dirty everywhere you go. Now we (THS and SSHS) have garnered respect for you because you play tough football at home or away but your reputation precedes you. You don't like it...too bad it is your tatoo.

[cowgirl]

To be quite honest Cowgirl, Mtn. City does have a BAD reputation for calling it the way they want to see it. Now I didn't come on here to start with you but if you must know the truth then there you go. The South/J County game of 05' was very bad...not bad enough to ask for someones resignation but it was bad. And yes, we just wrote it off as a bad night with a few bad calls. Everyone has to endure bad nights. The fact is that not only do you have swayed officiating in your house but you play dirty everywhere you go. Now we (THS and SSHS) have garnered respect for you because you play tough football at home or away but your reputation precedes you. You don't like it...too bad it is your tatoo.

 

Sorry but I will have to disagree with you. Im on the sidelines and I will always pull for my guys. Especially when I see face mask calls missed and blocks in the back calls missed (game films are wonderful are they not) especially when the ref is about 5 foot away and still does not see it. Every game has bad calls, and they all can't be at JC. I have been around football for most of my life and i do not claim to be an expert on every aspect of the game. The one thing I do claim to be is Loyal. If my tatoo is as you stated, I'll accept it. My guys play hard and they are tough. I would not want them to be any other way. On any team you may have someone who will take a cheap shot. The way I see it is that every year everyone has a new team. New players and new faces. You should not assign a "tatoo" based on people who are not now a member of the squad or on the place of the game. We do not pick the officals. I believe they are assigned.

 

Reguards

Edited October 14, 2006 by cowgirl

[compusatman]

Sorry but I will have to disagree with you. Im on the sidelines and I will always pull for my guys. Especially when I see face mask calls missed and blocks in the back calls missed (game films are wonderful are they not) especially when the ref is about 5 foot away and still does not see it. Every game has bad calls, and they all can't be at JC. I have been around football for most of my life and i do not claim to be an expert on every aspect of the game. The one thing I do claim to be is Loyal. If my tatoo is as you stated, I'll accept it. My guys play hard and they are tough. I would not want them to be any other way. On any team you may have someone who will take a cheap shot. The way I see it is that every year everyone has a new team. New players and new faces. You should not assign a "tatoo" based on people who are not now a member of the squad or on the place of the game. We do not pick the officals. I believe they are assigned.

 

Reguards

 

I'm not arguing with you. I don't need you to agree with me. I'm just telling you how other people in the conference view you. It takes more than one incidence for an action to become reputation. No one denies that you play tough. If fact, if you read more than one thread you will see that you are given respect in all corners of the conference. The respect is for your strength and ability, however your sportsmanship needs work. Yes we all display a bit of agression occasionally...but you have aquired a reputation. It takes time to build a reputation. And therefore your tatoo.

Edited October 14, 2006 by compusatman

[Cap1]

I'm not arguing with you. I don't need you to agree with me. I'm just telling you how other people in the conference view you. It takes more than one incidence for an action to become reputation. No one denies that you play tough. If fact, if you read more than one thread you will see that you are given respect in all corners of the conference. The respect is for your strength and ability, however your sportsmanship needs work. Yes we all display a bit of agression occasionally...but you have aquired a reputation. It takes time to build a reputation. And therefore your tatoo.

I can attest to Campusatman’s statement…and I might add that your “tattoo” doesn’t come from just observing the games from the stands, but also from player testimony. It’s just something that teams and players have learned to expect when going up against the Longhorns. It’s not always a bad thing to be known as a bully when it comes to football.

[battlewithin]

I wouldn’t go that far…the secondary needs A LOT of work. They are subject to get beat with the long ball at any time. This is the second year in a row that the secondary has put a damper on the potential of the Viking defense. Actually it’s the third year…Maryville saw right through our LOOSE style of coverage in the secondary. Surely there are some kids on the team with the speed to keep up with the receivers in the MLC, so that we don’t always have to give up such a big cushion. Of course there could be other reasons why we play off receivers so fare…I’m just a “Monday Morning Coach”.

 

I was waiting on one of those from you cap....ever since Mr. Perfect #5 left, nothing has been up to par for you...Yes, #5 was a gifted and telented athlete....but DUDE let it go and give it a rest. The reason that secondary plays off isn't speed, you need to just let Mays do his job, and trust me he knows what he's doing with his athletes.....

 

And btw it's people like you that take away that confidence that a player has to have to .."make that play"...but of course no sweet off your back.....

[Cap1]

I was waiting on one of those from you cap....ever since Mr. Perfect #5 left, nothing has been up to par for you...Yes, #5 was a gifted and telented athlete....but DUDE let it go and give it a rest. The reason that secondary plays off isn't speed, you need to just let Mays do his job, and trust me he knows what he's doing with his athletes.....

 

And btw it's people like you that take away that confidence that a player has to have to .."make that play"...but of course no sweet off your back.....

You know I was waiting on someone like you to make a post like THAT! Now the door is open!! Let me start by saying that in my post I stated “the last three years the secondary has put a damper on the potential of the defense”. News flash…#5 was part of that secondary for two of those years. You say that coach Mays knows what he’s doing? News flash #2….IT”S NOT WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT’S WHAT MY POSTS HAVE BEEN HINTING AT ALL ALONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like Mays too, but I’ve seen the same soft spot year after year. If you run into a coaching staff that actually studies film with a descent QB and a strong arm...WE ARE TOAST (case and point Maryville 04’). My post was by no means pointed at the players…at least not directly. In my opinion this coverage puts them at an immediate disadvantage when going up against the spread offence (which is what we are seeing 70% of the time now).

 

And you want to talk about “taking away that confidence that a player has to have to make that play”? Telling a player he has to give a WR a 10-20 yard cushion in order to make the play is a real confidence booster!

[athlete269]

If we don't get some problems fixed and some swagger back and get over the DB loss ,We are going to be in a dog fight every week. This ain't even close to the same team I saw the first 4 games. But I know Stubbs and crew will get the ship sailing agian.

T.H.S. 49 (team from 1st 4 weeks)

central 0

 

T.H.S 27(present Team)

central 7

 

Wow...talk about a close prediction! I guess the present team is still here ...

[jcolter]

You know I was waiting on someone like you to make a post like THAT! Now the door is open!! Let me start by saying that in my post I stated “the last three years the secondary has put a damper on the potential of the defense”. News flash…#5 was part of that secondary for two of those years. You say that coach Mays knows what he’s doing? News flash #2….IT”S NOT WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT’S WHAT MY POSTS HAVE BEEN HINTING AT ALL ALONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like Mays too, but I’ve seen the same soft spot year after year. If you run into a coaching staff that actually studies film with a descent QB and a strong arm...WE ARE TOAST (case and point Maryville 04’). My post was by no means pointed at the players…at least not directly. In my opinion this coverage puts them at an immediate disadvantage when going up against the spread offence (which is what we are seeing 70% of the time now).

 

And you want to talk about “taking away that confidence that a player has to have to make that play”? Telling a player he has to give a WR a 10-20 yard cushion in order to make the play is a real confidence booster!

 

Oh my! I sense a bitter little fan. I am no die hard Viking fan, but I have seen them play on numerous occasions going all the way back to the late 90's. Cap, it would not have mattered what coverage they played against mighty Maryville. The bottom line is the Rebels had better athletes. The Viking staff does a good job with what they have to work with. Pick up a Murphy Fair and see how many Vikings are playing at the next level (very few) and compare that to a Maryville or Mo West. Pick up a THS football program and examine all the current defensive records. Wow! many were set by defenses coached by this very staff. Support your program and in a couple of years when South loses their QB you guys will be back on top in the conference, but you will never have Knoxville type players. Just a fact.

[Cap1]

Oh my! I sense a bitter little fan. I am no die hard Viking fan, but I have seen them play on numerous occasions going all the way back to the late 90's. Cap, it would not have mattered what coverage they played against mighty Maryville. The bottom line is the Rebels had better athletes. The Viking staff does a good job with what they have to work with. Pick up a Murphy Fair and see how many Vikings are playing at the next level (very few) and compare that to a Maryville or Mo West. Pick up a THS football program and examine all the current defensive records. Wow! many were set by defenses coached by this very staff. Support your program and in a couple of years when South loses their QB you guys will be back on top in the conference, but you will never have Knoxville type players. Just a fact.

I was at the Maryville game…better athletes…that’s a matter of opinion that I don’t agree with. I will agree that Maryville’s offensive attach was centered around a D1 QB that year. They also featured a Big and talented front line on both sides of the ball. But I think the Vikings had the personnel to make a better game out of it. The Maryville coaching staff obviously saw the soft spot in the secondary on film with our corners giving a 10 yard+ cushion, and went to work on it early in the game. If you were at the game you would know that. We were unable to adjust in time to keep ourselves from digging a deep hole and that visibly broke the spirit of the Vikings. I think that was a reality check for our coaching staff and Stubbs has (since that game) stepped up the Viking program and they continue to get better. And that’s not to say that the Vikings coaching staff weren’t at the top of the food chain as usual in the MLC.

 

But make no mistake; the Vikings had enough firepower to play with the teams in our state on the high school level in 04’ and they proved that up to that point!

 

Don’t get it twisted…unlike some fans from other teams in this area I’m not breaking the petitions out . I realize that the coaches have to work with the hand they are dealt, and I don’t think I have stated anything that the Viking coaching staff doesn’t already know. In fact I have seen Mays work on other coverage’s in the JV games. I support my team and the coaching staff and I don’t think that a little constructive criticism every hurt anyone!

[backinblack]

We are on the same page couchqb, getting caught up in the fakes is part of the problem…the only thing that I can add is that when you do play up close and physical with these WR and use the “bump and run” technique, you have to be able to run with them after the bump. I just wanted to get jplaya’s explanation since he feels we have sufficient speed. And if we ARE running 4.6 and 4.7…believe me, that IS sufficient speed in the high school football.

To b successful in bump and run you have to b a tenth to two tenths quicker than the guy in front of you, and it's critical to know how to play it.There's alot to coverages,theres ways to beat the bump n run, and zones.If the other team in bump n run all you have to do is find a match up you can win, and beat it in the ground.They either have to pull help or change personal, but theres always a way you can get a match up thats in your favor.You also have to be able to trust front seven to stuff the run, you cant play bump and run and read the qb.You are responsible for that man in front of you and need to keep eyes on him to a point.Ever see recievers drive db's out of the play without laying a hand on em.It's one of the best blocks in the world.You can play outside the man and still see play develope,but good coach will beat you to death with slants and inside curls.You can bump and still play zone, your better suited to mix coverages up in high school or play zone.Zone is easier to teach and less responsibility which usually leads to better exacution.If you are a far more athletic team(as is the case alot in high school) you can bout do what you want.It doesn't come down to individuals, it's your whole defensive unit,not only that but theres alot of variables that dictate what d you should play.Can't be stubbron and try and make what you want to work,work.You need to do what will work, it is high school.

[compusatman]

To b successful in bump and run you have to b a tenth to two tenths quicker than the guy in front of you, and it's critical to know how to play it. You are right and wrong based on relativety. If it's "tap" and run then yes you better be faster. But if it's slaughter and run then no you can be slower because of the pyschological factor. For "Bump and Run" to work correctly the WR must lose his feet. There's alot to coverages,theres ways to beat the bump n run, and zones.If the other team in bump n run all you have to do is find a match up you can win, and beat it in the ground.They either have to pull help or change personal, but theres always a way you can get a match up thats in your favor. Agreed. A quality WR will get busted once or twice but then it will be a cat and mouse affair. If the CB is not single minded then we have a battle. At that point the QB will look for an easier target unless the WR feels he can burn the CB. Then it depends on the pulled help and so many other factors. You also have to be able to trust front seven to stuff the run, you cant play bump and run and read the qb.You are responsible for that man in front of you and need to keep eyes on him to a point. Correct again. This technique forces the CB to be a defensive specialist. Against a sweep he could be eliminated altogether. If he chooses to abandon the WR and go for the run then play action can and will embarass him. Ever see recievers drive db's out of the play without laying a hand on em.It's one of the best blocks in the world. So true...but that technique works in the zone as well.You can play outside the man and still see play develope,but good coach will beat you to death with slants and inside curls.You can bump and still play zone, your better suited to mix coverages up in high school or play zone. I agree with mixed coverages. I disagree with all out zone. That is what spread lives for. You can bump and still play zone which is a great alternative. The slants and inside curls will beat a zone to death anyway.Zone is easier to teach and less responsibility which usually leads to better exacution. I disagree on teaching what is easier. Teach what is effective for the situation. Not all situations are the same. However, B&R is as essential technique for DB's that should be as basic as stiff arm for a RB. Not all situations warrant man-to-man. Conversly, not all situations warrant zone. But to live and die by one method is foolish. If you are a far more athletic team(as is the case alot in high school) you can bout do what you want.It doesn't come down to individuals, it's your whole defensive unit,not only that but theres alot of variables that dictate what d you should play.Can't be stubbron and try and make what you want to work,work.You need to do what will work, it is high school.

 

All in all I feel you are correct...politically correct that is. 90%...no 100% of todays HS's play zone defense pass coverage. Because of all the reasons you stated. 60% of all HS's live and die by the spread. 95% use the spread to some degree. It has been said in the professional ranks that the running back as we know it is dead. I'm not politically correct so I disagree with most of these notions. It is just fad. But as far as bump and run is concerned I guarantee you that if a CB is taught to put the WR on the ground within scrimmage and before the ball is thrown it will change the mind set of the WR, the QB and the game plan. Someone will get burned someone will get eliminated but it will cause a reaction. No one uses it because it is to risky. RB's run north and south because it is safe. Offenses run the spread because it is safe. There are a few coaches in our area that mix it up on offense but no one runs man-to-man pass coverage. I think the first coach to use B&R will make everyone sit up an take notice because it will work wonders if executed correctly.

[backinblack]

I didn't say i didn't like the bump n run though.It's actaully my favorite, i like putting the pressure on the offense to make a play.Play em tight, bring the heat and make them get rid of it quick.Without pressure man coverage is hard to play.I dont like zones 2 much, every zone has holes in them.And you can find a weakness, alot of times its in the linebacker area.Not many linebackers in high school are very good in coverage,but in many zones they have a assignment.They just dont have the time to practice it, most of there time in practice is stopping the run.They know there coverage but as far as practicing gaurding a man,or picking up a man in there zone they dont practice it.Whether it's cover 1,2,or 3 any of them have holes in them, a good off. cor. will have a designated reciever to run a route for each.Then it's up to the qb to recognize the coverage and thus hit the reciever with a route designated for that zone.But most high schools pretty much sticks with the same coverage barring certain situations.It's not that complicated really,say there in cover 2.That means two guys got deep assignment one right halfthe other left.It's not that hard to beat u have te right, and 2 reciever set right.Have reciever on left side run a go, streak whatever you wanna call it.He draws deep safety left side over qb looks that way first, makes sure he pulls over.Right side te runs seam or go, outside reciever runs curl, and inside reciever runs a wheel.Starts with a 7yd out toward sidelines turning upfield.You've cleared the middle and the read is the right side safety.He either has to jump the te down the middle or the outside man on the wheel.Whichever he takes qb goes to the other.The biggest thing about defense to me is taking away what the other team feels comfortable with and likes to do.Every offense has a base package that they practice hard on everyday all season.Each week they put in some things to that for that particular opponent.If you take away there base package, then you put them in a area of less comfort.They can get tight, not have confidence in decision makeing, plus the fact there running a offense that they have not practiced nearly as much.Making blocks they havnt made a thousand times, running different routes,putting the ball in hands not used to having it and so on.Odds are the exacution and timing is not going to be there.Blown assignments, and mistakes,turnovers usually follow and more importantly not confident decision making, frustration,and confussion.Sometimes you have to sellout to do this,but if your not stopping a team with what there doing there gonna beat you anyway,period.I'd rather take that chance and try to create a mistake as wait and hope they make one.

Edited October 19, 2006 by backinblack