DII vs 5A

[Mttgil11p]

I was just speculating on how a #1 seeded DII team can win two games (bye) and win it all. On the contrary, all teams in 5A (and 4,3,2,1A), regardless of what seed, MUST win 5 to take home the trophy. Anybody willing to expand on this? Just thought it was kinda humorous.

[mofo11]

It is this way because the tssaa kicked private schools out and into D2. This is what they have to work with. Saying that the teams in the playoffs are quality teams.

[rollredroll]

I was just speculating on how a #1 seeded DII team can win two games (bye) and win it all. On the contrary, all teams in 5A (and 4,3,2,1A), regardless of what seed, MUST win 5 to take home the trophy. Anybody willing to expand on this? Just thought it was kinda humorous.

 

To take one of the DII classifications as an example, DII-AAA has eight teams. If all eight teams were to make the playoffs, the most playoff games mathematically possible for one team (assuming no double elimination, which doesn't exist in football) is three. In the case of less than eight teams making the playoffs, it's possible to win only two games to win a title. It's impossible to create more playoff games without more teams.

 

Of course DI has a longer road: more teams in each class, more teams in the playoffs. Simple math once again. Where the math gets not so simple is in the presence of multiple teams with losing records (including 2-8 records) in the DI playoffs. If we're going to make watered-down inferences, let's look at both Divisions.

 

What is really humorous is, as consistent as the onset of the end of daylights savings time at this time of year, the potshots taken at DII for its short playoff road. Who voted the current DII schools out to DII almost ten years ago? As we ponder that question, it's worth pointing out that, again, DII-AAA takes top honors of the eight classifications in terms of out-of-classification record with a 26-10 mark (72%), including 19-4 (83%) against DI schools.

 

How hard can it be? Ask the 1997 Pearl-Cohn, 2002 Brentwood, 2003 Germantown, and the 2005 Ravenwood state title squads, all of which won DI titles and each with one loss - to squads from DII-AAA which didn't win a title in those years. At least Alcoa is giving DI a fighting chance at some modicum of redemption this year (and if McCallie does win DII-AAA this year, it would be the first and only time in ten years of DII play that the DII-AAA champ lost to a DI school along the way).

Edited October 31, 2006 by rollredroll

[Guest Brian Peppers]

To take one of the DII classifications as an example, DII-AAA has eight teams. If all eight teams were to make the playoffs, the most playoff games mathematically possible for one team (assuming no double elimination, which doesn't exist in football) is three. In the case of less than eight teams making the playoffs, it's possible to win only two games to win a title. It's impossible to create more playoff games without more teams.

 

Of course DI has a longer road: more teams in each class, more teams in the playoffs. Simple math once again. Where the math gets not so simple is in the presence of multiple teams with losing records (including 2-8 records) in the DI playoffs. If we're going to make watered-down inferences, let's look at both Divisions.

 

What is really humorous is, as consistent as the onset of the end of daylights savings time at this time of year, the potshots taken at DII for its short playoff road. Who voted the current DII schools out to DII almost ten years ago? As we ponder that question, it's worth pointing out that, again, DII-AAA takes top honors of the eight classifications in terms of out-of-classification record with a 26-10 mark (72%), including 19-4 (83%) against DI schools.

 

How hard can it be? Ask the 1997 Pearl-Cohn, 2002 Brentwood, 2003 Germantown, and the 2005 Ravenwood state title squads, all of which won DI titles and each with one loss - to squads from DII-AAA which didn't win a title in those years. At least Alcoa is giving DI a fighting chance at some modicum of redemption this year (and if McCallie does win DII-AAA this year, it would be the first and only time in ten years of DII play that the DII-AAA champ lost to a DI school along the way).

 

Yea, what he said.

[big red big blue]

I was just speculating on how a #1 seeded DII team can win two games (bye) and win it all. On the contrary, all teams in 5A (and 4,3,2,1A), regardless of what seed, MUST win 5 to take home the trophy. Anybody willing to expand on this? Just thought it was kinda humorous.

 

Let's see... Kick the financial aid privates out into d2 because we don't want to play them. Refuse to schedule them during the regular season because we don't want to play them. In the rare occasions we do play them in the regular season, lose 3 out of 4 times.....yep, we definitely are in a position to take shots at those guys.

[my2cents]

Yea, what he said.

Yea, what he said about what the other guy said

[where's the love?]

How is Knox Catholic in DI. As far as I know, they are a private school. Webb is private and they are DII, but Catholic, who is down the street is DI. I don't understand why one is and the other one isn't.

[In Hoc Signo Vinces]

I think it is because Knox Cathoic cannot offer any financial aid to participating athletes while Webb can

[nemoore]

I heard they were combining DII-AA and DII-AAA into one big division to have more teams. But it is not an easy road to the playoffs because a lot of playoff games are against teams that have already played each other and it is a lot harder to beat a team the second time than it is the first

[where's the love?]

I think it is because Knox Cathoic cannot offer any financial aid to participating athletes while Webb can

 

That makes sense. Thanks

[CBHSironman53]

i would like to see a 5A champion play a DII-AAA champion (or in the coming years D2-Large champion). It would be an interesting game. A Brentwood Academy vs a Riverdale. There are some smaller schools that should be thrown in the mix such as 4A-Riverdale and 2A-Alcoa. But thats an interesting thing that may never happen.

[USA1]

To take one of the DII classifications as an example, DII-AAA has eight teams. If all eight teams were to make the playoffs, the most playoff games mathematically possible for one team (assuming no double elimination, which doesn't exist in football) is three. In the case of less than eight teams making the playoffs, it's possible to win only two games to win a title. It's impossible to create more playoff games without more teams.

 

Of course DI has a longer road: more teams in each class, more teams in the playoffs. Simple math once again. Where the math gets not so simple is in the presence of multiple teams with losing records (including 2-8 records) in the DI playoffs. If we're going to make watered-down inferences, let's look at both Divisions.

 

What is really humorous is, as consistent as the onset of the end of daylights savings time at this time of year, the potshots taken at DII for its short playoff road. Who voted the current DII schools out to DII almost ten years ago? As we ponder that question, it's worth pointing out that, again, DII-AAA takes top honors of the eight classifications in terms of out-of-classification record with a 26-10 mark (72%), including 19-4 (83%) against DI schools.

 

How hard can it be? Ask the 1997 Pearl-Cohn, 2002 Brentwood, 2003 Germantown, and the 2005 Ravenwood state title squads, all of which won DI titles and each with one loss - to squads from DII-AAA which didn't win a title in those years. At least Alcoa is giving DI a fighting chance at some modicum of redemption this year (and if McCallie does win DII-AAA this year, it would be the first and only time in ten years of DII play that the DII-AAA champ lost to a DI school along the way).

 

What can I say...another RRR classic.