Brentwood academy is the reason for the split

[VolunteerGeneral]

Of course but that should take away any argument on here that such schools only have players from their immediate areas.

 

 

Likewise, there has been proof that public schools have kids outside their immediate area Indian. For your information, you can live anywhere on this planet and be a student at a Memphis public school. That`s a pretty big area to attract kids from wouldn`t you say?

[Bighurt]

Indian,

I have said it before and I will say it again. Travel is an issue. It certainly would be an issue in basketball, baseball, softball, volleyball and soccer with mid-week district and region games in Memphis, Jackson, Chattanooga or Knoxville. This is a reality.

[Indian]

Likewise, there has been proof that public schools have kids outside their immediate area Indian. For your information, you can live anywhere on this planet and be a student at a Memphis public school. That`s a pretty big area to attract kids from wouldn`t you say?

 

 

Then track how many out of zone players they have over a couple of years, come up with a multiplier based on the percentage and move such schools if needed. You can't say every school in Memphis has players like that, what about the girls basketball teams that win one or two games a season. They wouldn't be moving up but the football team at such a school might.

[Indian]

Indian,

I have said it before and I will say it again. Travel is an issue. It certainly would be an issue in basketball, baseball, softball, volleyball and soccer with mid-week district and region games in Memphis, Jackson, Chattanooga or Knoxville. This is a reality.

 

 

Division II (basketball, spring sports)

 

Class A

 

District 1

Knox. Grace (Knoxville), Knoxville Christian (Knoxville), Walker Academy (Knoxville), CAK (Knoxville), Knoxville Catholic (Knoxville), King’s Academy. I understand there's a small school in Maryville that will be joining the TSSAA soon if accepted, they would go here too.

 

District: 2: Chatt. Grace (Chattanooga), Silverdale (Chattanooga), Temple (Chattanooga), Boyd-Buchanan (Chattanooga), Chatt. Christian (Chattanooga), Collegedale Academy, David Brainerd. Hamilton Heights plans to join soon and is pretty much in the transition right now.

 

District 3: Boyd Christian (McMinnville), Middle TN Chr. (Murfreesboro), Columbia Academy (Columbia), Friendship Christian (Lebanon), Mt. Juliet Christian (Mt. Juliet), Zion Christian (Columbia), St. Andrews-Sewanee, Webb (Bell Buckle)

 

District: 4:

Clarksville Academy (Clarksville), Nashville Christian (Nashville), DCA (Nashville), Goodpasture (Madison), CPA (Nashville), Ezell-Harding (Antioch), Franklin Road Academy (Nashville), Davidson Academy, USN

 

District 5 Carroll Academy (Huntingdon), Jackson Christian (Jackson), Trinity Christian (Jackson), Fayette Academy (Somerville), Univ. School Jackson (Jackson)

 

District 6 Bishop Byrne, First Assembly, Immaculate Conception, Lausanne, Lighthouse Christian, Memphis Catholic

Rossville Christian, St. George’s, SBEC, Tipton-Rosemark

 

Some of those schools probably have limited programs but they're all listed on the TSSAA site. Some are girls only. I can see more currently non-TSSAA schools joining if they're assured of not playing the Brentwood Academy types. Up until this season they'd have been playing those schools in everything but football (the scare tactic mentioned).

 

 

Class AA:

East: Baylor, GPS, McCallie, Webb, Notre Dame

 

Middle: BGA, Brentwood Academy, Ensworth, Ryan, Harpeth Hall, John Paul II, MBA, St. Cecilia, Lipscomb

 

West: Briarcrest, CBHS, ECS, Hutchison, MUS, St. Agnes, St. Benedict, St. Mary’s

 

You could probably split the middle region into two groups.

 

For the longest trips, Webb to Chattanooga, a couple of others in the midstate, play on Friday or Saturday or play a doubleheader (Webb plays Baylor in baseball at 3:00 on Saturday afternoon, at 5:30 against McCallie, etc). I just don't see travel being much of an issue even for basketball and soccer-if all the private schools were in Division II.

[JaxMan]

Indian,,,why are you opposed to non aid privates being in a seperate division than aid giving?...if you aren't in it why do you care...

[Indian]

A couple of reasons, first there wouldn't be any competition imbalance as far as the small aid schools being ahead, actually I think your schools like Goodpasture would be dominating in it at least at the beginning. Second it could be used as an excuse to not have all of them in Division II because of travel problems. SAS would be in the same boat as they've been since the split. No reason they shouldn't be playing similar sized privates in the midstate instead of having to choose whether to travel to Memphis or not.

[JaxMan]

Indian I respect your opinion, but I think aid giving and non aid giving schools do not belong together...just my opinion

[Baldcoach]

Indian's posts seem to contain a logical disparity.

 

He claims that aid and non-aid privates should play in the same division and that a private public division is needed to achieve fairness.

 

But if simply being a private school equals a massive unfair advantage over publics, how can giving financial aid (the original reason for the DII split) NOT be a massive unfair advantage that the aid privates have over the non-aid? He tries to talk around it by saying things like "I think the non-aids would dominate", but that doesn't address the issue, which is is it fair?

 

The reason he doesn't want to address the issue is that if he agrees that forcing non-aid privates to play aid-giving schools is unfair, then it is impossible to make a total split work, and he REALLY wants a split. On the other hand, if he says that there really is no advantage, then he has negated the whole reason for DII in the first place and opened the door to bring back the aid giving schools and do away with 2 divisions. That would be unacceptable.

 

It seems that what he really wants is for the privates not to play publics, period. Fairness isn't a part of the equation, but by using fairplay terms the idea of a split sounds more legitmate, even if fairness isn't applied to all schools equally(which by definition is not fairness lol).

[Indian]

The aid isn't the reason for the competition imbalance between the public and private schools, it's the fundamental differences between them that have been discussed on here again and again. There are few exceptions if you were about to list Alcoa, South Pittsburg and a couple of others.

 

Why would this be a bad set-up: District: 2: Chatt. Grace (Chattanooga), Silverdale (Chattanooga), Temple (Chattanooga), Boyd-Buchanan (Chattanooga), Chatt. Christian (Chattanooga), Collegedale Academy, David Brainerd.

[Baldcoach]

The aid isn't the reason for the competition imbalance between the public and private schools, it's the fundamental differences between them that have been discussed on here again and again. There are few exceptions if you were about to list Alcoa, South Pittsburg and a couple of others.

 

Why would this be a bad set-up: District: 2: Chatt. Grace (Chattanooga), Silverdale (Chattanooga), Temple (Chattanooga), Boyd-Buchanan (Chattanooga), Chatt. Christian (Chattanooga), Collegedale Academy, David Brainerd.

 

 

It isn't a bad setup...but it would be the same if all of those schools were in DI with the publics and there wasn't a multiplier. There would be one addition, LV.

 

I promise not to mention Alcoa, or S Pitt, or Tyner, or Maryville, or Milan, or Loudon, or Huntingdon, or Fulton, or Trousdale, or any other a, aa, or aaa public powerhouse in any replies if you can tell me what advantage the small privates have over the small publics without mentioning records, because, after all, won-loss records IS the issue, is it not?

 

If not, how exactly can you tell who has advantages and who doesn't?

[VolunteerGeneral]

There are few exceptions if you were about to list Alcoa, South Pittsburg and a couple of others.

 

 

Wasn`t BA an exception too?

[JaxMan]

The aid isn't the reason for the competition imbalance between the public and private schools, it's the fundamental differences between them that have been discussed on here again and again. There are few exceptions if you were about to list Alcoa, South Pittsburg and a couple of others.

 

Why would this be a bad set-up: District: 2: Chatt. Grace (Chattanooga), Silverdale (Chattanooga), Temple (Chattanooga), Boyd-Buchanan (Chattanooga), Chatt. Christian (Chattanooga), Collegedale Academy, David Brainerd.

 

 

Now that the aid giving schools are in a different division it isn't a big deal to everyone, but I recall before the spilt it was almost all that was talked about on here...the non-aid differences got little press until the aid schools left and non aid privates began winning