CAK at Grace

[Govolsknox]

Congrats y'all did a number on Grace

Thank you, always good to come out with a W against one of your rivals

[JonSnow]

So the pope kid did make a dirty play and choke the kid from grace and coaches saw it when watching film so they suspended him?

[Govolsknox]

I have watched the CAK program for a long time. By in large, the kids are great and represent the program very, very, very well. I have no inside information on the details of this situation, but I do know that in the past, CRB doesn't tolerate when a player does not uphold the standards of the program. There was obviously some basis for the suspension, and I applaud CRB maintaining discipline with his team. Having said that, even if one individual player took an action that required discipline, CAK will NEVER have the reputation of dirty play that another private school in Knoxville has. If a kid gets out of line and the Warrior coaching staff finds out about it, it will be dealt with. Always has, always will. CAK has an outstanding reputation for running a clean program, something that is not the case with another private school in Knoxville, as has been demonstrated here. Some programs make an effort to uphold high standards themselves, while some others have to get caught and disciplined by the TSSAA, and it wasn't a 17 year old kid who got out of hand, it was the adult leadership.

 

Disclaimer: I speak for myself. I have no affiliation with CAK. Even my kids are long since graduated. I am simply a long time fan of the program, and the way it is run.

[orngnblk]

So the pope kid did make a dirty play and choke the kid from grace and coaches saw it when watching film so they suspended him?

I give the Head Coach a big Atta Boy!More coaches need to be like him.It is the right decision to suspend him.

[pujo]

I have watched the CAK program for a long time. By in large, the kids are great and represent the program very, very, very well. I have no inside information on the details of this situation, but I do know that in the past, CRB doesn't tolerate when a player does not uphold the standards of the program. There was obviously some basis for the suspension, and I applaud CRB maintaining discipline with his team. Having said that, even if one individual player took an action that required discipline, CAK will NEVER have the reputation of dirty play that another private school in Knoxville has. If a kid gets out of line and the Warrior coaching staff finds out about it, it will be dealt with. Always has, always will. CAK has an outstanding reputation for running a clean program, something that is not the case with another private school in Knoxville, as has been demonstrated here. Some programs make an effort to uphold high standards themselves, while some others have to get caught and disciplined by the TSSAA, and it wasn't a 17 year old kid who got out of hand, it was the adult leadership.

 

Disclaimer: I speak for myself. I have no affiliation with CAK. Even my kids are long since graduated. I am simply a long time fan of the program, and the way it is run.

I'm with you and it has nothing to do with the kids on either team.

[gunslinger150]

No love lost between either program, I think it was last year the Grace coach and his wife were kicked out of a cak home game for standing on the vistors sidlines trying to Secretly film the game. I think that game was on Tv if i recall. Long history between these clubs, doesn't mean you play dirty, or out of control which happens to alot of 14-17 yr olds.

[Govolsknox]

No love lost between either program, I think it was last year the Grace coach and his wife were kicked out of a cak home game for standing on the vistors sidlines trying to Secretly film the game. I think that game was on Tv if i recall. Long history between these clubs, doesn't mean you play dirty, or out of control which happens to alot of 14-17 yr olds.

 

I won't go into detail, I'll only say that you are correct that an authority figure from another Private school in Knoxville was escorted out of the stadium.

 

I would never give a pass for poor sportsmanship by one of our players. It is very rare that I've seen anything but excellent sportsmanship by CAK kids, but when there has been an exception, I have seen discipline handed out. This is a sharp contrast from instances where the adults or even the LEADERSHIP engages in breaking the rules or cheating and having to be disciplined by the TSSAA. Sometimes a kid that comes to a Christian school is there because the parents want to put them in an environment that they feel will help their child grow personally as an individual. And sometimes, even a kid who has no tendency for a problem can make a mistake. Our kids are not perfect. But I am very very proud of the way they conduct themselves 99.9% of the time, and even more proud that our leadership and coaching staff LIVEs a strong example that, while we all want to win, there are things more important in guiding these young men than just W's and L's.

[HardKnox]

I have watched the CAK program for a long time. By in large, the kids are great and represent the program very, very, very well. I have no inside information on the details of this situation, but I do know that in the past, CRB doesn't tolerate when a player does not uphold the standards of the program. There was obviously some basis for the suspension, and I applaud CRB maintaining discipline with his team. Having said that, even if one individual player took an action that required discipline, CAK will NEVER have the reputation of dirty play that another private school in Knoxville has. If a kid gets out of line and the Warrior coaching staff finds out about it, it will be dealt with. Always has, always will. CAK has an outstanding reputation for running a clean program, something that is not the case with another private school in Knoxville, as has been demonstrated here. Some programs make an effort to uphold high standards themselves, while some others have to get caught and disciplined by the TSSAA, and it wasn't a 17 year old kid who got out of hand, it was the adult leadership.

 

Disclaimer: I speak for myself. I have no affiliation with CAK. Even my kids are long since graduated. I am simply a long time fan of the program, and the way it is run.

 

 

I won't go into detail, I'll only say that you are correct that an authority figure from another Private school in Knoxville was escorted out of the stadium.

 

I would never give a pass for poor sportsmanship by one of our players. It is very rare that I've seen anything but excellent sportsmanship by CAK kids, but when there has been an exception, I have seen discipline handed out. This is a sharp contrast from instances where the adults or even the LEADERSHIP engages in breaking the rules or cheating and having to be disciplined by the TSSAA. Sometimes a kid that comes to a Christian school is there because the parents want to put them in an environment that they feel will help their child grow personally as an individual. And sometimes, even a kid who has no tendency for a problem can make a mistake. Our kids are not perfect. But I am very very proud of the way they conduct themselves 99.9% of the time, and even more proud that our leadership and coaching staff LIVEs a strong example that, while we all want to win, there are things more important in guiding these young men than just W's and L's.

Let me make sure I understand:  if one of your players messes up, it's because they're not perfect 100% of the time but only 99.9% of the time.  But in the case of this "other private school in Knoxville"; if they mess up, for some reason they should be held to a different standard?

As has been demonstrated here - not sure what you mean by that?  The only thing demonstrated here is that you're biased toward your school.  Nothing wrong with that, we all are.  Just don't get on here and condemn others because they don't live up to standards that you've set for everyone else but yourself.

[Warriors2011]

We are all God's children, but, as imperfect humans, we are all subject to giving "our" team the benefit of the doubt in matters such as this.  I don't think GoVols is being hypocritical, just realistic.  I'll make only three observations:

 

1.  Unless I missed it, nothing has been said on here about the cruel and insensitive tweets sent by a GCA player (whom I will not ID in a public post) to Austin Pope in the days leading up to the game, making references to the fact that he had lost his father to cancer last summer and, unlike the GCA player, would not be able to celebrate with his "pop" after the game.  Now, that does not excuse Pope's action Friday night for which he is being punished.  But it provides an understandable context to it.  He was already amped up before the game, in a way some 18-year-olds who lost a parent in the past year might have difficulty controlling.

 

2.  In addition to the coach on the sidelines because his wife had a press pass incident GoVols mentioned, I have been exposed to the GCA football program for about 6 years now and have watched their on-field behavior during that time.  I have also worked the chain gang on multiple occasions that led to me being able to witness with my own eyes and ears some of the things some of the GCA coaches said to (1) their own players, and (2) opposing players.  Not something to be proud of.

 

3.  GCA is the only HS I've ever been to for a football game, and I've been to a LOT of places, where there is repeatedly someone in the GCA crowd with a bull horn or other amplification device, who spends a good portion of the game calling out the numbers of specific opposing players and yelling stuff at them during the game.  "Hey number 3, what's your name?!  What you doing out there, number 3?...HEY! number 3! HEY!"  I guess it doesn't bother me too much if a heckler pays $100 for a ticket to an NBA game so he can ride Lebron James' butt the whole game.  But these are high school boys, 15 to 19 years old, playing a school sport.  It bothers me when the host team's fan singles out individual players for ridicule and harassment during the game.

 

As Forest Gump says, that's all I'm gonna say about that...on here.  Want more details post a reply with your e-mail address and I'll be glad to name names.

 

Let me make sure I understand:  if one of your players messes up, it's because they're not perfect 100% of the time but only 99.9% of the time.  But in the case of this "other private school in Knoxville"; if they mess up, for some reason they should be held to a different standard?

As has been demonstrated here - not sure what you mean by that?  The only thing demonstrated here is that you're biased toward your school.  Nothing wrong with that, we all are.  Just don't get on here and condemn others because they don't live up to standards that you've set for everyone else but yourself.

[Govolsknox]

Let me make sure I understand:  if one of your players messes up, it's because they're not perfect 100% of the time but only 99.9% of the time.  But in the case of this "other private school in Knoxville"; if they mess up, for some reason they should be held to a different standard?

As has been demonstrated here - not sure what you mean by that?  The only thing demonstrated here is that you're biased toward your school.  Nothing wrong with that, we all are.  Just don't get on here and condemn others because they don't live up to standards that you've set for everyone else but yourself.

You can choose to mis-characterize my comments. But I think I was pretty clear that:

 

1. There is a difference when a kid, from either school, makes a mistake, vs when the adults and / or LEADERSHIP makes a deliberate effort to skirt the rules, and has to be punished by the TSSAA.

 

2. Our kids aren't perfect, but they represent the program extremely well. We are not alone in this. Many other programs do the same. But not all.

 

3. The CAK coach and administration hold themselves to a high standard of conduct in how they run the program. That is a good example for the kids that are watching them, and is in contrast to an administration or coach(es) who sets an example of getting by with whatever you can.

 

4. CAK has a reputation for running a clean program, and the actions of one particular kid on one particular night are not going to change the reputation of that program, particularly when the kid is disciplined afterward. By contrast, the other school which I referred to has a reputation for dirty play and conduct that I have read on these boards (mostly from parties other than CAK posters). And that may in large part be because of the example being set at the adult level.

 

Hopefully that is clear enough for you now.

[HardKnox]

We are all God's children, but, as imperfect humans, we are all subject to giving "our" team the benefit of the doubt in matters such as this.  I don't think GoVols is being hypocritical, just realistic.  I'll make only three observations:

 

1.  Unless I missed it, nothing has been said on here about the cruel and insensitive tweets sent by a GCA player (whom I will not ID in a public post) to Austin Pope in the days leading up to the game, making references to the fact that he had lost his father to cancer last summer and, unlike the GCA player, would not be able to celebrate with his "pop" after the game.  Now, that does not excuse Pope's action Friday night for which he is being punished.  But it provides an understandable context to it.  He was already amped up before the game, in a way some 18-year-olds who lost a parent in the past year might have difficulty controlling.

 

2.  In addition to the coach on the sidelines because his wife had a press pass incident GoVols mentioned, I have been exposed to the GCA football program for about 6 years now and have watched their on-field behavior during that time.  I have also worked the chain gang on multiple occasions that led to me being able to witness with my own eyes and ears some of the things some of the GCA coaches said to (1) their own players, and (2) opposing players.  Not something to be proud of.

 

3.  GCA is the only HS I've ever been to for a football game, and I've been to a LOT of places, where there is repeatedly someone in the GCA crowd with a bull horn or other amplification device, who spends a good portion of the game calling out the numbers of specific opposing players and yelling stuff at them during the game.  "Hey number 3, what's your name?!  What you doing out there, number 3?...HEY! number 3! HEY!"  I guess it doesn't bother me too much if a heckler pays $100 for a ticket to an NBA game so he can ride Lebron James' butt the whole game.  But these are high school boys, 15 to 19 years old, playing a school sport.  It bothers me when the host team's fan singles out individual players for ridicule and harassment during the game.

 

As Forest Gump says, that's all I'm gonna say about that...on here.  Want more details post a reply with your e-mail address and I'll be glad to name names.

1.  If this really happened, it's inexcusable.

2.  Sorry we're (GCA) not perfect. 

3.  I'm sure the person with the bull horn is also a 15-19 year old with a 15-19 year old brain.  oh, and by the way, I heard YOUR fans yelling at one of our players Friday night, and they were yelling something worse than "what's your name?" 

3A.  Sorry you're (CAK) not perfect either.

[RudyWasOffsides]

Who won the fight during the game?