State Individual Seeding, Does head to head matter?

[ImYourHuckleberry]

Looking at the TSSAA regulations for girls. Just want to clarify. If a girl was a state champ in a lower weight class in 2023, has now bumped up and was beaten by a girl in the 2024 regular season in the new competing weight class, the state champ still gets the higher seed, regardless of head to head results?

(Section IV B.)
Wrestlers who meet the qualification shall be placed in each weight division in the state tournament. In order to be placed, a wrestler must be a sectional champion and must have been a state place finisher during her high school career.

The criteria for placing shall be as follows.

1. Separate all state champions (includes state champions from other states)

2. The following criteria shall be used to separate state champions: (a) state champion at same weight, (b)state champion at higher weight, (c) state champion at lower weight. (If there are two state champions at the same weight the state champion from Tennessee will receive the higher seed.).

3. Follow the same procedure as #2 above for 2nd place from previous year, 3rd place from previous year,

4. Items #2 and #3 shall be applied in order to wrestlers who placed in the state tournament two years prior.

5. Blind draw.
2023-2024 TSSAA Girl Wrestling Regulations

Edited January 30 by ImYourHuckleberry

[GrassmanCLEV]

I'm less familiar than some others about the TSSAA seeding rules, but is head to head even considered? I don't see anything about it. Also, is the girl that won the H2H this year a previous state placer? Per the rules you posted:
"In order to be placed, a wrestler must be a sectional champion and must have been a state place finisher during her high school career."

If not a state placer, then she'll just get the blind draw.

[ImYourHuckleberry]

23 minutes ago, GrassmanCLEV said:

 Also, is the girl that won the H2H this year a previous state placer? Per the rules you posted:
"In order to be placed, a wrestler must be a sectional champion and must have been a state place finisher during her high school career."

If not a state placer, then she'll just get the blind draw.

She is. So she would still be in seeding criteria. She won the H2H in this 2024 season. But placed lower in the 2023 state tournament.

According the to the handbook, it would also indicate that Regional placement doesn't matter either.

Edited January 30 by ImYourHuckleberry

[GrassmanCLEV]

Based on how I'm reading it, she'd still be seeded lower. I don't see any mention of H2H results and I think I remember someone saying that state champs get preference. I'm not positive though.

[Ummmno]

Criteria for seeding is medaling the previous year and winning regionals. If you do both of that then you will find a seed. 

 

Head to head isnt a criteria in duals state or individual state, for boys OR girls. 

[ImYourHuckleberry]

6 minutes ago, Ummmno said:

Criteria for seeding is medaling the previous year and winning regionals. If you do both of that then you will find a seed. 

 

Head to head isnt a criteria in duals state or individual state, for boys OR girls. 

Fair. So, is winning regionals the only factor, or does regional placement matter?

[sx1234]

Reading the new rule - you technically can lose in regions, but then win sectionals- and still keep your seed?  Did I read that correctly ?

[desselle]

12 minutes ago, sx1234 said:

Reading the new rule - you technically can lose in regions, but then win sectionals- and still keep your seed?  Did I read that correctly ?

I’m almost positive that is correct. 

[sx1234]

I know we have the ability to seed each weight class properly...  but an automatic bracket would be an improvement to the current system.  D2 already does this, but D1 and girls could easily do the same thing.

Girls backet:

Top half:

Region 1 #1 vs Region 4 # 4

Region 2 # 2 vs Region 3 # 3

Region 3 # 2 vs Region 2 # 3

Region 4 # 1 vs Region 1 #4

 

Bottom Half:

Region 2 #1 vs Region 3 # 4

Region 1 # 2 vs Region 4 #3

Region 4 # 2 vs Region 1 #3

Region 3 #1 vs Region 2 #4

 

For Boys- change the word sectional for region and bam- exact same thing.  I know its not a perfect system, but a thousand times better than what is used now.

[ImYourHuckleberry]

44 minutes ago, sx1234 said:

I know we have the ability to seed each weight class properly...  but an automatic bracket would be an improvement to the current system.  D2 already does this, but D1 and girls could easily do the same thing.

Girls backet:

Top half:

Region 1 #1 vs Region 4 # 4

Region 2 # 2 vs Region 3 # 3

Region 3 # 2 vs Region 2 # 3

Region 4 # 1 vs Region 1 #4

 

Bottom Half:

Region 2 #1 vs Region 3 # 4

Region 1 # 2 vs Region 4 #3

Region 4 # 2 vs Region 1 #3

Region 3 #1 vs Region 2 #4

 

For Boys- change the word sectional for region and bam- exact same thing.  I know its not a perfect system, but a thousand times better than what is used now.

Given this, it could still put the true  1 and 2 seeds on the same side of the bracket.

[noonesfool]

6 hours ago, Ummmno said:

Criteria for seeding is medaling the previous year and winning regionals. If you do both of that then you will find a seed. 

 

Head to head isnt a criteria in duals state or individual state, for boys OR girls. 

correct