Cleveland success….

[FrecoFanatic]

26 minutes ago, Whoweft said:

I think @FR615 is frustrated about Father Ryan's disappointing loss yesterday. 

@FR615 had predicted several times that Father Ryan would beat McCallie yesterday.  Although most of his predictions were rights, and he clearly has a lot of insight, he was wrong about the final outcome.  

Yost, Pitts, Newman, Levitt, Slaugh, Connell, Herring, etc. did a terrific job.  Huge turnaround from a couple of years ago--and not with upper classman picked off from other schools from the areas/state or around the country. Instead, they won with kids they developed, 8th graders, and under classman.  They have the resources to go get experienced wrestlers from around the country and bring them in as boarders as a quick fix. That is not what they did.  They are rebuilding the program.  

Based on @BobCorker's logic, the only kids McCallie gets credit for developing are kids who came to McCallie for a different sport or in one case, his grandfather was the head coach of McCallie wrestling for about  50 years.  I don't know how other schools would compare with Bob's pureness test, but for reference, the wrestling program is a lot higher than the football team. 

As for whether talent is developed by McCallie or other programs--if the kids come to McCallie in middle school, even in 8th grade (or 9th grade for boarders)--its a little silly to say they are "stolen".  McCallie does not operate an elementary school, neither does Cleveland or FR (as far as I know). Just because these kids go to training at some elite training program does not designate them for one high school or another.  

 

Exactly! Kind of like the Fowlers coming to Cleveland in MS. Wrestling in our program for SIX years. I actually like Bob Corker’s calculation. By my calculation ALL of our kids except ONE who are starting were in our program before high school. 10 out of 14 of them came from our elementary program, through middle school, and into high school. 8 of those started as BEGINNERS with us. That trend will continue. Great job Josh and HCWC. Jake and Matt and their staff have invested a lot in development as well and deserve the credit as such.

[TheTreyB]

lol

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[TheTreyB]

It is what it is

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[TheTreyB]

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[FR615]

1 hour ago, Whoweft said:

I think @FR615 is frustrated about Father Ryan's disappointing loss yesterday. 

@FR615 had predicted several times that Father Ryan would beat McCallie yesterday.  Although most of his predictions were rights, and he clearly has a lot of insight, he was wrong about the final outcome.  

Yost, Pitts, Newman, Levitt, Slaugh, Connell, Herring, etc. did a terrific job.  Huge turnaround from a couple of years ago--and not with upper classman picked off from other schools from the areas/state or around the country. Instead, they won with kids they developed, 8th graders, and under classman.  They have the resources to go get experienced wrestlers from around the country and bring them in as boarders as a quick fix. That is not what they did.  They are rebuilding the program.  

Based on @BobCorker's logic, the only kids McCallie gets credit for developing are kids who came to McCallie for a different sport or in one case, his grandfather was the head coach of McCallie wrestling for about  50 years.  I don't know how other schools would compare with Bob's pureness test, but for reference, the wrestling program is a lot higher than the football team. 

As for whether talent is developed by McCallie or other programs--if the kids come to McCallie in middle school, even in 8th grade (or 9th grade for boarders)--its a little silly to say they are "stolen".  McCallie does not operate an elementary school, neither does Cleveland or FR (as far as I know). Just because these kids go to training at some elite training program does not designate them for one high school or another.  

 

Your fans and your coach on here are starting to sound a lot like Cleveland parents. 

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[TheTreyB]

23 minutes ago, FR615 said:

Your fans and your coach on here are starting to sound a lot like Cleveland parents. 

Smart

[CarlSpackler88]

24 minutes ago, FR615 said:

Your fans and your coach on here are starting to sound a lot like Cleveland parents. 

I’m fine if you come after us parents and fans, we are a bit crazy. But don’t come after the kids or our coaches, that’s not acceptable. They do it the right way and to say they’re “stealing” kids is insulting. 
 

I’ll ask again, what constitutes stealing kids to you? And at what point does the McCallie staff get credit for developing kids? Because mine has gotten immensely better being with them and I’m grateful to every single one of those guys

[Appvol]

19 hours ago, FR615 said:

1/4th of those will be at Mccallie. Like the one that left for Mccallie. …In 8th grade…You know the one whose family actually lives in North Carolina and rents out a piece of property I’m sure you aware of. Yost and his assistants are starting to steal talent. 
 

 

 

His cousin is getting ready to win his 4th state championship in NC and is committed to App St. 

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[FR615]

28 minutes ago, CarlSpackler88 said:

I’m fine if you come after us parents and fans, we are a bit crazy. But don’t come after the kids or our coaches, that’s not acceptable. They do it the right way and to say they’re “stealing” kids is insulting. 
 

I’ll ask again, what constitutes stealing kids to you? And at what point does the McCallie staff get credit for developing kids? Because mine has gotten immensely better being with them and I’m grateful to every single one of those guys

Im saying they completely destroyed what would have been a great Boyd Buc team and are starting to get some kids that were scheduled to go to Cleveland (with a few more shockers on the way). stealing was a bad way to describe it. It was more meant as getting and acquiring talent. So you can move on.

 

I have zero problem with any kid going to the  school that is best for them. 

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[FR615]

20 minutes ago, Appvol said:

His cousin is getting ready to win his 4th state championship in NC and is committed to App St. 

Yep. He’s a great wrestler. 

[Ummmno]

1 hour ago, FrecoFanatic said:

 10 out of 14 of them came from our elementary program, through middle school, and into high school. 

So almost 34% of their starting line up is transfers.

 

got it. It’s way above the rest of the stare. This isn’t the flex you think it is.

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[Appvol]

2 minutes ago, FR615 said:

Yep. He’s a great wrestler. 

His only loss in high school was an injury forfeit at the Holy Angels in 2021 in the finals. He got hurt in the semis. Baylor High School offered him in when he was in 8th grade