Getting the big "T"

[coachAG]

The coaches are warned at the beginning of the game about the coaches box...the coaches box is a point of emphasis this year by the TSSAA, I guarntee, the coach already knew this....also this isn't the first game of the season, it's the district tourney, he knew better.

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Firstly, the administration meeting at the beginning of the game has nothing to do with staying in your 4 ft. coaches box. Which doesnt take place at all the games..only the first varsity game of the night, on a regular seasoned game, not in a tourney. In the administration meeting they refer to what to do in case of problems introduce everyone, and make sure the players are properly equipped. If the ref does decide to make a big deal about the coaches box in the Admin. meeting, you know your in for a long long long game...

Secondly, I have never seen a t given over something so petty without AT LEAST 2 or 3 warnings about it. If it has it was a rookie ref, and what's a rookie ref doing in a district tournament anyway.

Lastly, if you read my post you would have seen that I said it was the rear official. It wasn't his call, what's he doing turned around anyway, he needs to be watching the game, that is his job, right? He shouldn't have been worried about whether or not the coach was in his box. That's the most rediculous thing I've ever heard, well, until i heard it defended.

 

I remember at the beginning of the year before we ever played our first game we had a meeting with TSSAA discussing rule changes. The topic of Tech's are guaranteed to come up. I remember one of the comments made, which may have been by Bernard Childress, was this, "...if they are going to have the guts to call a tech., then they need to have the guts to stand over by the coach, and answer questions if he has them...."

 

If you think some refs, notice i said some, don't come to the game with some kind of attitude, ready to T you up for any little thing your kidding yourself. Their are some out there and there will always be some out there.. I'm sorry but no matter how hard you try, you will not be able to make me believe that the Tech i was talking about was reasonable..

[FIFTYZ]

I saw a technical foul given to a player for "faceguarding."  Player was guarding his man with the ball and stuck his hand in the offensive player's face (as most coaches teach).  I looked it up and it is a rule, but it is pretty bizarre.  The assisstant coach asked where the hand was supposed to go and was given an "I don't know" type of answer.  Anybody else ever seen this one?  If so, what were the circumstances?

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Faceguarding was made a technical call this year. It was discussed at length at the rules meeting in the fall. Every basketball team has to have a team representative attend one of the rules meetings across the state. This is the TSSAA's way of communicating new info or points of emphasis for the upcoming season.

[NoDoubt]

A few years ago, in a middle school game.........

 

We had a player hit the first of a one-and-one. One of his team mates took a step toward him and stuck his hand out and they gave each other "five". The ref called a technical on the player for delay of game. This all took about 2 seconds and the ref hadn't even given the shooter the ball back yet. Great job Mr. Ref!

[Grace Golden Eagles]

You all got "T"'d up. Get over it. You make mistakes and so do the refs.

[coachinhoops]

Let me start by saying that refs have a pretty tough job, because no matter what call they make it is wrong from one view point and right from another. I do however have a few concerns to voice.

 

1. Refs are part time and coaches are full time. Refs have all the power and coaches have none.

 

What I'm saying is that I can get T'd, thrown out, and fined simply for coaching with fire and passion. On the other handr refs have absolutely no way to be graded or reprimanded for blowing a call or a game.

 

2. I think I speak for the majority of coaches when I say all we look for is consistency.

 

A team can press a whole game (hand checking and riding my players throughout the contest), while my team plays half court zone the whole time and they shoot more free throws regularly. If the one time my guy hand checks is a foul then their 30 hand checks should be fouls as well.

 

3. I have a theory (maybe wrong) but I think refs know before hand who should win and who the best players are and I think this dictates how the game is called.

 

We played a team earlier in the year that had a DI player on their team. If we blocked his shot it was a foul. If he blocked our shot it was clean. Almost to say there is no way this loser could have blocked a DI players shot.

 

Also the best teams seem to get more calls to swing their way. I maybe wrong but it sure seems strange.

 

4. I also feel that sometimes refs carry grudges against certain coaches. After all they are human and can't help remembering some coach hurting their feelings.

 

I'll end with telling you that I got T"d this year for yelling at my own player

 

I NEVER CUSSED OR ANYTHING

 

It was really very strange

[shtopper05]

I'll end with telling you that I got T"d this year for yelling at my own player 

 

I NEVER CUSSED OR ANYTHING

 

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thats ridiculous

[OC55]

Back when it took three technical fouls to be ejected, I received two and if it had not been for my assistant would have been gone. Two girls got into a fist fight in the lane as the ball was going to the other end of the court, my player who was involved came to the bench bleeding from the nose. I stood up and hollered to the officials that there had been a fight and I had only four players on the floor. The official called a technical foul on me and told me to coach my team and let him officiate, it was obvious he had no idea what I was telling him, he only knew I was yelling. I earned the second technical and was going for the hat trick when my assistant reeled me in.

[unbiased1]

THIN SKINNED?!??!  What world are you living in? Referee's take abuse from beginning to end on most games from the coaches and the fans. If they were all thin skinned then the game would be over in the 1st qtr.

 

Referees aren't allowed to critique the players or the coaches, so what gives the coaches the right to critique the refs? I've seen many of coaches call dumb plays and I've never said a word to them.

 

Explaining the call? No, refs are told NOT to explain the call...it's a refs choice, if he says anything at all, but once you give a technical, the coach isn't going to be the most calm person to speak with. Which in turns could lead him to receive his second "T".

 

<No accountability for questionable calls...no discipline...no nothing. They get a pass. They may get their ear bent by fans (if they don't have them escorted out) and coaches, but they have very little right to complain.>

 

HA! This above statement is a JOKE...whenever you're ready to get a shirt and a whistle, just give me a holler. I bet no one would yell at you! HA!

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Point made Kev B it took just over 5 hours for this ref to get ill over your comments!

Just proved your point and unless gledbetter is Buddy H. Why should he have gotten mad?

Larry really needs to get a handle on some of these guys. Too many of that associations refs hav"little man" syndrome.

See ya tonight, maybe the officials wont think we paid to come watch them tonight.

Edited February 22, 2005 by unbiased1

[unbiased1]

Let me start by saying that refs have a pretty tough job, because no matter what call they make it is wrong from one view point and right from another.  I do however have a few concerns to voice.

 

2.  I think I speak for the majority of coaches when I say all we look for is consistency.

 

A team can press a whole game (hand checking and riding my players throughout the contest), while my team plays half court zone the whole time and they shoot more free throws regularly.  If the one time my guy hand checks is a foul then their 30 hand checks should be fouls as well.

 

3.  I have a theory (maybe wrong) but I think refs know before hand who should win and who the best players are and I think this dictates how the game is called.

 

We played a team earlier in the year that had a DI player on their team.  If we blocked his shot it was a foul.  If he blocked our shot it was clean.  Almost to say there is no way this loser could have blocked a DI players shot. 

 

Also the best teams seem to get more calls to swing their way.  I maybe wrong but it sure seems strange.

 

4.  I also feel that sometimes refs carry grudges against certain coaches.  After all they are human and can't help remembering some coach hurting their feelings. 

 

I'll end with telling you that I got T"d this year for yelling at my own player 

 

I NEVER CUSSED OR ANYTHING

 

It was really very strange

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2. Amen

3. The most ridiculous calls to me are the no-calls when a player obviously fouls an opposing player hard enough to knock them down or into the bleachers ( i have seen this several times this year) or even elbows or punches and there is a no call then the hand check is called.

4. some refs have the I'll show you who is boss attitude and aren't smart enough to know that the coaches (Most anyway) know way more about the rules than most officials do since afterall that is their full time job. Let on of these coaches call an official out and they will get the screw even on their home court for years to come.

[PokerPlayer07]

I heard somebody on this thread talk about the star player not getting called for a foul. I think that's the biggest piece of horse crap ever(the star player not getting called for a foul). As for the ref's, they need to pay for the coach's anger management classes(if the coach has one), because i do think a ref wants one team to win and the other to lose. And I have refreed a 5-6 grade game and it's harder than what people think so that that into consideration. Finally, we are all humans and make miskates, but some make more than others .

Edited February 22, 2005 by PokerPlayer07

[Opperman]

The coaches are warned at the beginning of the game about the coaches box...the coaches box is a point of emphasis this year by the TSSAA, I guarntee, the coach already knew this....also this isn't the first game of the season, it's the district tourney, he knew better.

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Haven't seen a tech all year for coaches leaving the box (except when they're arguing). I've only seen one game all year where a coach didn't spend a decent chunk of the game outside of it.

 

If the coach is just yelling instruction and a step or two outside, who cares. If the coach is arguing, yeah it should be a tech.

[Opperman]

4.  I also feel that sometimes refs carry grudges against certain coaches.  After all they are human and can't help remembering some coach hurting their feelings. 

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I'll go one further. There's some refs who hold grudges against schools for their former coaches.

 

There's one ref here whose son played here...his son was a solid player and would have started on some of our teams, but not over the two future D-I signees there. The now-ref thought our coach was horrible for not starting his son.

 

Now, our coach is gone, and he's a ref...90 percent of the calls he makes go against us. He called a handcheck from 45 feet away (with another ref 5 feet away and looking right at it, no call) when we had him last night. He called a charge on one of our players for a double-clutch jumper where his elbow made contact with somebody trying to block the shot last night (no jumping into a player or anything). Last time we had him, near the end of the regular season, he called a kicked ball on us...we had the ball and our guy dribbled it off his foot. The first game we had him this year, we were up 15 at the end of the first quarter, and our best player had 12 in the quarter. In the first 30 seconds of the third quarter, he calls three fouls -- all of them VERY questionable -- on him.

 

If it still bothers him that much, he should simply request not to work our games...but he'll deny that he has any sort of grudge, of course.