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    How can TSSAA justify NOT HAVING 4 CLASSES in Baseball?


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    #1 BushLeague

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    Posted 18 October 2016 - 08:14 PM

    Earlier this year, TSSAA voted against going to 4 classes in Boys & Girls Basketball, Baseball, Softball.  They released the classification for 2017-2021 today.  TSSAA classification plan makes no sense whatsoever and is completely unfair.  There are a number of schools that the TSSAA slotted to compete in 4A Football (1102-827 enrollment), but AAA (largest class) in Basketball, Baseball, Softball (2513-1033 enrollment).  So, their Football team will compete for state titles against schools with as few as 827 enrolled students; while their Basketball, Baseball, and Softball squads will have to compete with schools as large as 2513 enrollment!!! 

     

    It gets worse ... these same schools that are AAA in Basketball/Baseball/Softball and 4A in Football - are 2A in Volleyball and Soccer!!!  The AA Soccer enrollment numbers are as low as 668 and the AA Volleyball numbers are as low as 583!  To recap, these schools play schools with an enrollment as large as 2513 in Basketball/Baseball/Softball, but as low as 827 in Football; 668 in Soccer; and 583 in Volleyball!!! 

     

    How does that make sense?  Whatever happened to playing in a league against other schools of similar size and geographical proximity in all sports?  Why does the TSSAA have 6 classes in Football, but only 3 classes in Basketball, Baseball, Softball? 

     

    The following schools should be LIVID: Seymour (1102), Portland (1089), Liberty Tech (1083), Lawrence County (1082), Springfield (1081), Montgomery Central (1077), Kirby (1067), Stone Memorial (1061), Anderson County (1060), Spring Hill (1053), Tullahoma (1042), East Hamilton (1038) and Sequoyah (1033). 

     

    If any of these schools advances in the AAA Region, Sectional, State Tournament rounds in Basketball, they will potentially do so by playing opponents that are MORE THAN TWICE THEIR SIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!  In many cases, they have to do this to get out of their own District!!!  For example: Stone Memorial's 1061 has to defeat Cookeville's 2203 to advance from their own District!!! 

     

    TSSAA spent a lot of time considering the Division II changes and made sure Football kept their 6 classifications.  Class A schools pushed for the changes that made the majority of private schools to depart Division 1 for Division II.  Now, the large schools are stuck to play the MEGA-SCHOOLS.  But, I'm scratching my head why Baseball couldn't have 4 classes to make for competitive balance? 

     

    TSSAA - you can fix this for Baseball - add a 4th class and keep the MEGA-SCHOOLS separate from schools that are LESS THAN HALF their size!


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    #2 CAH09

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    Posted 19 October 2016 - 04:56 AM

    Earlier this year, TSSAA voted against going to 4 classes in Boys & Girls Basketball, Baseball, Softball.  They released the classification for 2017-2021 today.  TSSAA classification plan makes no sense whatsoever and is completely unfair.  There are a number of schools that the TSSAA slotted to compete in 4A Football (1102-827 enrollment), but AAA (largest class) in Basketball, Baseball, Softball (2513-1033 enrollment).  So, their Football team will compete for state titles against schools with as few as 827 enrolled students; while their Basketball, Baseball, and Softball squads will have to compete with schools as large as 2513 enrollment!!! 
     
    It gets worse ... these same schools that are AAA in Basketball/Baseball/Softball and 4A in Football - are 2A in Volleyball and Soccer!!!  The AA Soccer enrollment numbers are as low as 668 and the AA Volleyball numbers are as low as 583!  To recap, these schools play schools with an enrollment as large as 2513 in Basketball/Baseball/Softball, but as low as 827 in Football; 668 in Soccer; and 583 in Volleyball!!! 
     
    How does that make sense?  Whatever happened to playing in a league against other schools of similar size and geographical proximity in all sports?  Why does the TSSAA have 6 classes in Football, but only 3 classes in Basketball, Baseball, Softball? 
     
    The following schools should be LIVID: Seymour (1102), Portland (1089), Liberty Tech (1083), Lawrence County (1082), Springfield (1081), Montgomery Central (1077), Kirby (1067), Stone Memorial (1061), Anderson County (1060), Spring Hill (1053), Tullahoma (1042), East Hamilton (1038) and Sequoyah (1033). 
     
    If any of these schools advances in the AAA Region, Sectional, State Tournament rounds in Basketball, they will potentially do so by playing opponents that are MORE THAN TWICE THEIR SIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!  In many cases, they have to do this to get out of their own District!!!  For example: Stone Memorial's 1061 has to defeat Cookeville's 2203 to advance from their own District!!! 
     
    TSSAA spent a lot of time considering the Division II changes and made sure Football kept their 6 classifications.  Class A schools pushed for the changes that made the majority of private schools to depart Division 1 for Division II.  Now, the large schools are stuck to play the MEGA-SCHOOLS.  But, I'm scratching my head why Baseball couldn't have 4 classes to make for competitive balance? 
     
    TSSAA - you can fix this for Baseball - add a 4th class and keep the MEGA-SCHOOLS separate from schools that are LESS THAN HALF their size!

    Agree completely. This was needed as much or more than the changes they did make.
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    #3 BushLeague

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    Posted 19 October 2016 - 07:25 AM

    Agree completely. This was needed as much or more than the changes they did make.

    What are baseball folks going to do about it?


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    #4 glock22

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    Posted 19 October 2016 - 08:55 AM

    What are baseball folks going to do about it?

    Answer your own question, what can the baseball folks do about it?  Answer, absolutely nothing.


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    #5 icecube

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    Posted 19 October 2016 - 09:50 AM

    its all about the $$$$$


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    #6 Gerry Bertier

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    Posted 19 October 2016 - 05:16 PM

    its all about the $$$$$


    If that is true why not add another class??
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    Posted 20 October 2016 - 10:26 AM

    IMHO, Tennessee has too many state champions in all sports.  Football is the worst.  The privates have a state champion in a division that only has 11 teams in it.

     

    Baseball doesn't need 4 public school divisions.


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    Posted 26 October 2016 - 10:23 AM

    IMHO, Tennessee has too many state champions in all sports.  Football is the worst.  The privates have a state champion in a division that only has 11 teams in it.

     

    Baseball doesn't need 4 public school divisions.

     

    Everything you say is true.  Tennessee high school football has nine (9) state champions and that is probably five (5) to many.  The numbers truly support Tennessee having three (3) or four (4) state champions in baseball and that is if the public schools and private schools are combined.  Too many soft people that want everyone to win a state championship and for everyone to be happy.


    Edited by cbg, 26 October 2016 - 10:23 AM.

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    Posted 27 October 2016 - 09:36 AM

    Having to compete with schools more than twice your size is not being SOFT. All schools deserve the chance to compete with schools of similar size. Small or Large... With that logic, you might as well get rid of classifications all together. The system currently is set up for the private schools to be successful because that is where the money is. That is who the T$$AA is and will be concerned with...not the small schools or the large schools but...What is best for the Private Schools. Where did the classes get added? ..Private schools


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    Posted 31 October 2016 - 12:44 PM

    Why did the TSSAA put baseball/softball with basketball? There are a lot of schools that do not even play baseball I believe isn't that right? Wouldn't that change the balance of numbers per classification? Then you remove the private schools from DI that number is even less. Don't understand why baseball/softball wasn't done like volleyball. If you go to the TSSAA site under classification for this year I think there is almost 30 schools with most being in A that do not have baseball programs I believe if I was looking at that correctly.


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