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BruinBabe

TSSAA reclassification

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if you look back at the last 20 years of AAA champions coming out of 11 AAA.  Have they ever been the 2 seed of the district?    The one time it might have happened was Indy's championship when they beat Bwood in the finals.  All of Ravenwoods and prob all of Bwoods championships came as the district champion.    But I get what you are saying.  I am convinced that most years 3 of the 4 final four teams would have came out of 11 AAA.     It seems whatever team wins 11 AAA is completely dominant and the 2,3 seeds are fairly close.  If we could ever get Memphis AAA healthy again, it would help our sport so much.  Germantown used to be so good. 

I missed this great post. I think you're right. The state champ from AAA has almost exclusively been the district champ. It's crazy looking back. Since 2008 the only teams to even play for a AAA state title have been the Woods, Indy, DB, and Farragut.

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I am tickled to be closer to TN South Carolina, and to be back in the club scene.

 

I loved the club assessment above. Somebody did their homework!

 

One of my best friends is an AC coach. They thought they would be back at state last year but injuries killed them, they lost their Middle, the Junior on the K2 referenced above, their L, and their Setter to injuries and Farragut, who was simply better, beat them in the Region. He agrees that the Knoxville senior class was strong. AC had no seniors, and even with the injuries beat Maryville, Heritage, Harden Valley, Berean, CAK, Hume Fogg etc?

 

They are LOADED coming back and pumped about double AA. But here is why they are stoked. AC has struggled to get girls into club, geographically and financially it is hard. Two years ago they decided to form ACE for their elementary and middle school teams, and to allow the high school girls to play who don't play in the bigger club, last year the 13s played 7 tourneys and did not lose a match, winning all seven, including two matches against teams ranked in the top 10. They are coached by an ex college coach. The 12s won 5 tournaments and finished. 3rd in the Atlanta qualifier beating a ranked team. These girls play on apthe Norris Middle Schoo, team coached by Jeff Harshbarger, former great coach, and they won the Middle School sectional which is the state tournament for middle school this year and favored to win next year.

 

The 12 and under team they started this year has over 40 girls, most are daughters of alumni, coached by another ex college coach and AC alumni. I say this because AC understands that to get back to being competitive at the state level they had to develope a strong club team with 100 percent participation and start at elementary school. This will be its third year, it has almost 80 participnts, and all are in the AC feeder system, the Director they hired was a former state tournament MVP and alumni who was a club director in Colorado. The coaches all have college coaching experience, and strong ties to AC. They have put in former coaches at the middle schools and now have open enrollment where players can transfer in, this years freshman class will be the first to have gone thru ACE. With open enrollment two 6 foot incoming freshman will join them.

 

The club is being financially backed by AC supports. For 7-9 tournaments, two uniforms, three days of practice a week, two team one individual skill, and with the coaches paid the same as K2 the cost is less than six hundred dollars for middle school less than 500 for elem total. What is the cost for K2 or Alliance?

 

AC knew they had to get competitive in club to stay competitive in high school. I still say they have the top high school staff in the state, now that they have the club staffed and running they have the financial backing and are building a club facility on the AC/Knox county line to attract the North Knoxville players.

 

I think they will be in the state finals this year in AA and now that the club and Middle school programs are set for many more years to come!

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Bratman, there is no way that they can play as many tournaments as you are saying for that cost. Are you sure that is not a monthly bill?

 

Why do they not simply play for K2?

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No, that is the total cost. They play Dec-May. They practice twice a week as a team and once a week on position. It includes two uniforms and knee pads, no shoes. The coaches all have college or high school coaching experience. The little ones only play 5 tourneys, the 13's and 14's play 7.

 

The difference is the club is not being run to make any profit, it is done solely to get the girls to play better. They also don't go farther away than Atlanta. These families don't have the income to pay the cost of a K2 and it is over an hour drive to practice at K2.

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This is the first conversation in about 10 years that I have enjoed on this forum.  Good stuff.

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Here is what I am thinking after having watched every state title match and almost all the top teams in all classes this past season....combined with the K2 and Alliance rosters for this travel season.

 

Knoxville was better than Nashville and Memphis last year...overall. But the senior class in Knoxville was much more talented than their junior class. This is reflected in the K2 teams. Most if not all the really talented juniors are playing on one of the two 18s teams. Essentially a 181a and 181b. But there are only seven of them. Their sole 17 team seems to be more developmental. The K2 161s are loaded. Of those juniors/ rising seniors playing in the 18s, two are Webb girls, two Hardin Valley, one Heritage, one AC, and one Berean Christian. The 161s have three Farragut girls and a smattering of players spread out across a lot of schools. I didn't look at the 15s but I am sure they are talented too like the 16s. Point being, there isn't going to be as much senior talent next year as in the past. The school that looks to take the biggest hit is Farragut followed by Maryville. Catholic is in trouble regardless of where they have to play. Cieslek and Gardner were the entire team. They're gone.

 

Memphis is not completely dead. Briarcrest and St.Georges will be forces next year. I don't know much about their club scene except that Metro and the Memphis Juniors seem to split the talent. Houston does have some players but outside of that the public schools are DOA come post season.

 

Nashville has a very strong group of high school juniors. The rising senior class is talented and tall but doesn't have the depth of the junior or sophomore class for that matter. In terms of club, what is interesting is that Alliance has a 6' plus setter on each of their ones teams from 15s thru 18s. The talent is spread out among the Wilco schools but some of the neighboring counties are getting girls on top teams. Not just Siegal girls either. Brentwood is well represented of course. So is Ravenwood. And so is Page.

 

Here's how I see next season going based on the returning talent:

 

AAA: Brentwood over Hardin Valley

  -keep an eye on Heritage

AA: Signal Mountain over Hume Fogg

  - keep an eye on Camden Central

A: South Greene over everyone else

 

D2AA: Briarcrest over Brentwood Academy

   keep an eye on Baylor. But losing GG is huge

D2A: Webb over St. George's

 

I was at the K2 Elite Invitational this past weekend and watched K2 and Alliance play each other in the 13 and 14 y/o bracket.  The 14's dominated 25-11, 25-19.  The 13's won the championship game against K2 25-17, 25-20.  These were the only two teams Alliance sent and they both won Championships.  Based off these two early season games, Alliance has put some space between them and K2 in regards to talent in these two age groups (rising freshman and 8th graders).  I would say 80+% of these girls are Williamson county with Brentwood having the majority represented.

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I was at the K2 Elite Invitational this past weekend and watched K2 and Alliance play each other in the 13 and 14 y/o bracket.  The 14's dominated 25-11, 25-19.  The 13's won the championship game against K2 25-17, 25-20.  These were the only two teams Alliance sent and they both won Championships.  Based off these two early season games, Alliance has put some space between them and K2 in regards to talent in these two age groups (rising freshman and 8th graders).  I would say 80+% of these girls are Williamson county with Brentwood having the majority represented.

Those were two nice feathers in the cap. The 15s age group at Alliance is crazy talented as well. Seven of the ten girls on that 14s team will be moving on to Williamson County HS's next year. Two will be at Brentwood. Brentwood has one payer on the 151s and one player on the 152s. The talent in middle TN is starting to spread out.

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I too saw the 13-14 teams play.  The 14 are a solid group and I think you are right, all but a couple are from Wilco--maybe one of the OH and a Libero. Alliance beat A4 south in the final.  I was surprised how poor the K2 14 team looked--I think they just had a bad match.  Their setter is very, very good however.  The older K2 teams appear better that Alliance IMO.  that 16 team is crazy (I think they are 16).  The 15's alliance team is more spread out.  Their setting is very good on that team too. The talent level in this tournament has improved so much.  There are some really good clubs present.  K2 does a great job. 

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I saw my old friends Paul Brock and Dail Cantrell this weekend at the Club tourney here in Chattanooga! My granddaughter plays. It is nice seeing these people who I knew for so long. Paul is retired from GPS but Dail is still going strong at Anderson County. His daughter's team beat my granddaughters team in the semi finals. He told me all of his daughters team were 6th and 7th graders from the SAME middle school! Anderson County is going to be loaded for the next few years!

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