AAA state

[jtcmom16]

thx alot

good luck to everyone and may the force be with you

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I am sensing a very similar state tourney as the girls... from the fall... and I would not count the Houston Mustangs out at all... just ask the Farragut girls.

[mjuhb]

hahahahahaha about 2/3 of the people that posted in this thread were dead wrong farragut didn't anything this year thats they were not ranked half the year the east tennessee fans are like mt juliet soccer and siegel baseball they think they have the greatest team in the world

[bhs007]

I absolutely agree that the past years' accomplishments of Bearden and Farragut won't mean anything in the 2005 tournament.  You are correct the past is the past and this tournament will be won on the field starting this afternoon. 

 

The scheduling point is brought up solely to support different posters' guesses of who the likely winner will be.  It clearly won't determine anything either; however, I really can't understand why Hendersonville's and Brentwood's fans don't see the point being made.  Farragut played nearly half (10 of 23) of their in- state games against THIS YEAR'S ranked teams with 5 wins and 5 losses. Its opponents are 231-122-42 combined THIS YEAR. Bearden also played 10 of 24 games against CURRENT YEAR ranked teams with a 6-3-1 record. The Bulldog's combined opponents' record THIS YEAR is even better at 244-123-55.

 

By contrast, in 2005 Brentwood played only 4 ranked teams out of 23 matches with a 2-2 record against ranked opponents. Their combined opponents' record is a decently strong 201-131-56. Finally, while Hendersonville clearly has a terrific team and one (and maybe two) of the top 5 players in the State, they played only 3 ranked teams THIS YEAR in their 19 in-state games and finished with a good 2-1 record. Hendersonville's 2005 opponents were a very ordinary 180-144-26. The Parkview result is VERY noteorthy, but it was still a loss.

 

Another example of stronger scheduling is, in my opinion, DII is the strongest soccer division in Tennessee, year in and year out.  There are a number of very good DII teams in the Nashville area, yet between both Hendersonville and Brentwood they only played 1 of them--Father Ryan.  Brentwood also played a second DII match against Christian Brothers.  Neither team scheduled any of the other DII teams in Nashville, let alone from the West or East, and neither played the very fine A/AA FRA team, right in their own backyard.  In contrast, Bearden played 5 DII teams from all three regions and finished with a very respectable 4-1 record.  Farragut played 6 DII teams, again from all three regions, finishing 2-3-1.  Farragut also took on a very good CAK team and beat them soundly (although they were without their top striker).

 

Strong regular season competition, not current rankings, assists teams in the tournament.  With teams as strong as Brentwood and Hendersonville, it' difficult to understand why they don't play stronger schedules at the risk of sacrificing higher rankings and in the interest of being ready for the level of competition in the final eight.   

 

No doubt, Brentwood could end up playing Hendersonville in the finals.  Based on this season's performances; however, I think the finalists in AAA will be Farragut and Bearden.

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Looks like your theories don't hold up and they will be even less valid if Hendersonville has it's way with Bearden tonight. The reason we don't get your point is it is irrelevant and doesn't make sense. They are weak arguments for claiming superiority. Forgive me but I am just a stupid Middle Tenn. Brentwood fan but it looks like both Brentwood and Farragut were 50/50 or .500 if you will, in success with ranked teams. We shouldn't even mention that Farragut's "ranked" opponents were mostly at the bottom (where they were/are) and they met one of them three times. Are you saying that since Farragut had more experience at 50% that they are a stronger team and better prepared for state tournament play? Interesting. Well, it doesn't matter much now does it?

Edited May 26, 2005 by bhs007

[Hoya]

Looks like your theories don't hold up and they will be even less valid if Hendersonville has it's way with Bearden tonight. The reason we don't get your point is it is irrelevant and doesn't make sense. They are weak arguments for claiming superiority. Forgive me but I am just a stupid Middle Tenn. Brentwood fan but it looks like both Brentwood and Farragut were 50/50 or .500 if you will, in success with ranked teams. We shouldn't even mention that Farragut's "ranked" opponents were mostly at the bottom (where they were/are) and they met one of them three times. Are you saying that since Farragut had more experience at 50% that they are a stronger team and better prepared for state tournament play? Interesting. Well, it doesn't matter much now does it?

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When you make a prediction, regardless of its basis, and you are wrong, you have to eat crow. MMMMM good.

 

Anyway, the schedules and stats speak for themselves. They were used as a basis (far from perfect) for a prediction rather than "team X will win simply because I think they will", like most of the prediction posts. They provide one of the few sources of some kind of data to compare teams that don't meet. Clearly playing the games is the best way to find out who will win---that's my point.

 

I think top teams, clearly including Brentwood, should play difficult regular season competition rather than killing teams 4 or 5-0 on a regular basis for the sake of rankings or goals. I'd still like to see Brentwood regularly play Bearden, Farragut, Christian Bros., McCallie, etc. during the regular season. It would be good for Tennessee HS soccer and good for the teams to regularly play the best.

 

That said, Brentwood beat a very good team that's been on a roll. Congratulations and good luck with Blackman tonight. I've got to go wash this crow down with some water.

[bhs007]

When you make a prediction, regardless of its basis, and you are wrong, you have to eat crow.  MMMMM good. 

 

Anyway, the schedules and stats speak for themselves.  They were used as a basis (far from perfect) for a prediction rather than "team X will win simply because I think they will", like most of the prediction posts.  They provide one of the few sources of some kind of data to compare teams that don't meet.  Clearly playing the games is the best way to find out who will win---that's my point. 

 

I think top teams, clearly including Brentwood, should play difficult regular season competition rather than killing teams 4 or 5-0 on a regular basis for the sake of rankings or goals. I'd still like to see Brentwood regularly play Bearden, Farragut, Christian Bros., McCallie, etc. during the regular season.  It would be good for Tennessee HS soccer and good for the teams to regularly play the best.

 

That said, Brentwood beat a very good team that's been on a roll. Congratulations and good luck with Blackman tonight.  I've got to go wash this crow down with some water.

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Well put. I think Brentwood is scheduling better teams. They almost always play Father Ryan, BGA, FRA (at least in pre-season) and this year played Hendersonville, Father Ryan, Knox West, CBHS, Germantown and Rossview. And,even though Ravenwood was not ranked they had a great season and gave us some competition. I think MidTn's showing this year will put an end to all the "East rules" banter that goes on. I agree that this is good for TN soccer to see more equity throughout the state. I owe you a bottle of water.

[Hoya]

Well put. I think Brentwood is scheduling better teams. They almost always play Father Ryan, BGA, FRA (at least in pre-season) and this year played Hendersonville, Father Ryan, Knox West, CBHS, Germantown and Rossview. And,even though Ravenwood was not ranked they had a great season and gave us some competition. I think MidTn's showing this year will put an end to all the "East rules" banter that goes on. I agree that this is good for TN soccer to see more equity throughout the state. I owe you a bottle of water.

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I said I'd eat crow, and I'll take you up on that bottle of water, but asking me to give up the "'East rules' banter" is just too much.

 

Come on Bearden and CAK-don't fail me now. Crow is tough to eat.

[jordan11]

Blackman will find out how good they are when they get drilled at state. they've got a good keeper but that kid that plays up top.....with the gay head ban ....jordan i think his name is. he is definitely the weakest point of there team. who sags when they play soccer....idiot....Blaze will definitely get drilled!

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yeah we will get drilled at state. yeah oh wait taht right we won. who do you play for germantown oh where you one of thire fans who arent goodenogh to make the team? its ok we are still playin and yall arent. yall stunk any ways hope you had fun on yalls long trip home.

[bhs007]

yeah we will get drilled at state. yeah oh wait taht right we won. who do you play for germantown oh where you one of thire fans who arent goodenogh to make the team? its ok we are still playin and yall arent. yall stunk any ways hope you had fun on yalls long trip home.

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Jordan,

 

Are you in High School?

[rigger101]

Looks like your theories don't hold up and they will be even less valid if Hendersonville has it's way with Bearden tonight. The reason we don't get your point is it is irrelevant and doesn't make sense. They are weak arguments for claiming superiority. Forgive me but I am just a stupid Middle Tenn. Brentwood fan but it looks like both Brentwood and Farragut were 50/50 or .500 if you will, in success with ranked teams. We shouldn't even mention that Farragut's "ranked" opponents were mostly at the bottom (where they were/are) and they met one of them three times. Are you saying that since Farragut had more experience at 50% that they are a stronger team and better prepared for state tournament play? Interesting. Well, it doesn't matter much now does it?

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Did I miss something? Farragut and Bearden both lost by one point correct!

Both of their coaches said that these teams had less talent then their teams in the past at state but they played with heart. Quote from Knoxnews:

Bearden coach Eric Turner. "This isn't the most-talented team we've ever had, but they've been scrappy all year," he said. "We didn't do the little things well in the first half, but we showed that scrappiness in the second. "It's tough making that six-hour bus ride over here and then sitting in the hotel room for 24 hours playing a lot of Halo (an X-box game)."

Still the best that Brentwwood could do is win by a questionable call and Hendersonville by one point over Bearden. Wow Farragut did that twice in the last 30 days.

To have 3 State Champion Caliber teams(Farragut, Bearden and CAK) in a 5 mile radius says tons about Knoxville Soccer. Looks like the AAA Soccer Champion torch passed to the Middle TN area this year by 1 point games so I guess there will be back to back Championships.

Brentwood and Hendersonville has always had great select teams and it's showing in their High School programs. Good Luck to all the players and their fans.

Edited May 27, 2005 by rigger101

[BigG]

yeah we will get drilled at state. yeah oh wait taht right we won. who do you play for germantown oh where you one of thire fans who arent goodenogh to make the team? its ok we are still playin and yall arent. yall stunk any ways hope you had fun on yalls long trip home.

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Way to post and win with class.

[rigger101]

You, like everybody else, base your opinion on the past but constantly like to point out that MidTN teams don't play NEAR the schedule of competition that the east does. I simply don't buy that because within a 15 mi. radius in MidTN you have Hendersonville, Brentwood, FRA, Father Ryan and others. Even though they haven't won state titles in the last 4 years, they are the top ranked teams right NOW. There IS a reason for that. The MidTn teams have traveled and played teams from the east this year, and the east, if they won at all, did not fair as well as you would expect. I am not saying that you all don't play tough competition, but stop thinking you are the only ones and will have a smooth ride to repeated state titles. Good luck starting this afternoon.

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Bhs007- you would be a NO GO on a Map reading. Check your distance. Hendersonville is about 30 miles from Brentwood.

My point on other post has been that most of the kids that have won the State Championships over the last 4 years live across the street from each other in some cases and play with and against each other every day. I can't think of any where else in TN that has 6 Championship teams over a 4 year period living next door to each other.

[rigger101]

I am with you on your quote. All I was saying regarding them not being weak teams was in response to all the "HV and BW don't play anybody" attitudes that seem to prevail here on Coach T. For some reason, people see Farragut winning 11 of 12 at the end of their schedule (which happens to be the weakest part) and 1-0 or 2-1 games in their regionals and just assume they are playing more talented teams. It's a weak argument, to me.

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How is Bearden, Oak Ridge and CAK weak?