TSSAA vs. BA - Round 587

[BDURHAM]

Is that how changes should be made?

 

Break a small rule, fight for freedom of speech in court,

win a ruling, and then try to run the association?

 

To quote Bob Dylan:

 

Adulterers in churches and pornography in the schools,

You got gangsters in power and lawbreakers making rules.

 

When you gonna wake up, when you gonna wake up

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain?

 

 

 

JMO, but BA will offer to allow the TSSAA to pay a reduced portion of the legal fees if the TSSAA will agree to make some concessions. I could see BA requesting that the TSSAA do the following:

1. Do away with D1 & D2 and place everyone back together

2. Terminate Mr. Carters contract with the TSSAA

3. reserve X number of spots on the Board of Control for private school members

 

The TSSAA would have no choice but to do what BA request unless they can find the money to pay the legal fees in full. Let's keep in mind the fact that the TSSAA will have to pay the fees when the legal battle is over. There will be no payment plan over a period of time unless <a href='http://www.coacht.com/inside/team.cfm?SchoolID=37&SportID=1' target='_blank'>Brentwood Academy</a> grants the TSSAA permission to pay on an installment plan.

[VolunteerGeneral]

Is that how changes should be made?

 

Break a small rule, fight for freedom of speech in court,

win a ruling, and then try to run the association?

 

To quote Bob Dylan:

 

Adulterers in churches and pornography in the schools,

You got gangsters in power and lawbreakers making rules.

 

When you gonna wake up, when you gonna wake up

When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain?

 

Did they break a rule Stan? I guess you are the only one that knows what undue influence means.

[Indian]

If all of the schools are thrown back in together, I'd say you would have the multiplier thrown out. Here's what I came up with, moved a few up to 5A as I think that's where they'd want to be. More moving up would change the list just a little. Look at the teams in each division, I don't think anyone should want a four class group and especially not a three class. 100-0 scores should be avoided if possible. With a three class football system, you'd probably have Alcoa in the same region with Grace of Knoxville. With this many schools, more schools opening in the last few years and more to come, I'd hope a four-class system in basketball, baseball and softball would be looked at.

 

 

5 class system, football

 

1A

Lighthouse Christian 44

Elliston Baptist 63

David Brainerd 88

Zion Christian 104

Temple 106

Rossville Christian 125

Memphis Catholic 135

Mt Juliet Christian 135

Knoxville Grace 138

Clarksville Academy 142

King’s Academy 140

Tipton Rosemark 160

Oakdale 163

Silverdale Academy 165

Gleason 166

Greenfield 169

MTCS 171

Columbia Academy 174

Sunbright 179

Chattanooga Grace 181

Nashville Christian 182

Bishop Byrne 186

Pickett County 192

Sewanee 194

Red Boiling Springs 201

Copper Basin 208

St George’s 212

Trinity Christian 214

Friendship Christian 217

Cloudland 218

Huntland 222

FAC 224

Bruceton 224

Greenback 226

Coalfield 227

Fayette Academy 233

Lookout Valley 233

South Fulton 244

South Pittsburg 247

Clay County 249

Jackson Christian 251

Lake County 258

Midway 268

Ezell Harding 279

Franklin Road Academy 279

SBEC 280

Davidson Academy 281

Cornersville 281

Moore County 286

Donelson Christian 286

Harriman 301

Eagleville 310

CPA 310

Collinwood 324

Westside 326

McEwen 329

Community 334

Perry County 336

Monterey 339

Wayne County 339

White House Heritage 341

Whitwell 343

Gordonsville 345

Boyd-Buchanan 347

Watertown 347

 

Chattanooga area 1A: Temple, Silverdale, Chattanooga Grace, Copper Basin, Lookout Valley, South Pittsburg, Whitwel, Boyd-Buchanan

 

2A

Unaka 348

Jellico 353

West Carroll 354

Jo Byrns 356

BGA 356

Middleton 356

Manassas 358

Ensworth 370

CAK 373

USJ 378

McKenzie 382

Halls 383

Mt Pleasant 385

Harding Academy 396

Union City 391

North Greene 400

Forrest 402

Huntingdon 407

Peabody 407

Cosby 411

Trousdale County 414

Cascade 422

Oneida 424

Houston County 425

Wartburg 425

Dresden 432

Humboldt 433

East Robertson 436

Richland 441

Adamsville 442

Hampton 443

Riverside 451

Rockwood 455

Westwood 456

Alcoa 473

Marion County 478

Upperman 479

Treadwell 484

Knoxville Webb 488

Oliver Springs 492

Jackson County 494

South Greene 497

Oakhaven 498

Westmoreland 507

Meigs County 513

ECS 515

Tellico Plains 519

Loretto 526

Lipscomb 526

Bledsoe County 532

Tyner 536

Knoxville Catholic 548

Lewis County 553

Memphis Southside 557

Notre Dame 561

Chucky-Doak 569

Polk County 569

Happy Valley 576

Milan 577

Sequatchie County 578

Gatlinburg Pittman 588

Camden 605

West Greene 608

 

Chattanooga 2A: Marion County, Meigs County, Tellico Plains, Bledsoe County, Tyner, Notre Dame, Polk County, Sequatchie County (Sequatchie will most likely be 3A in football by the time of the next classifications)

 

3A

Sweetwater 611

Briarcrest 612

Cumberland Gap 618

Westview 627

Harpeth 627

Carver 632

BT Washington 636

Smith County 644

PJP2 651

Waverly 653

Fairview 655

Stewart County 661

Grundy County 662

York 688

Frayser 672

Cheatham County 672

Cannon County 674

Loudon 675

Kingston 677

Johnson County 683

Pearl Cohn 686

Austin East 702

Sullivan North 703

Chester County 706

Scott County 741

Gibson County 754

Unicoi County 754

Pigeon Forge 769

DeKalb County 771

Elizabethton 774

McNair Central 775

Crockett County 778

Marshall County 779

Howard 797

McMinn Central 802

Claiborne County 804

Covington 807

Jackson South Side 807

Page 813

Rutledge 814

Macon County 820

Greenbrier 821

White House 827

Central-Merry 835

Greeneville 864

Sycamore 865

Bolivar 865

Gibbs 871

East Ridge 875

Spring Hill 875

Obion County 888

Union County 888

Sheffield 889

Livington Academy 889

Carter 896

Ripley 900

Lexington 903

Station Camp 906

Haywood 911

Fayette Ware 911

Stone 920

Montgomery Central 927

Memphis East 939

Sequoyah 943

 

Chattanooga 3A: Sweetwater, Grundy County, Howard, McMinn Central, East Ridge (Sequatchie will likely be 3A soon, and East Brainerd and Signal Mountain High schools could possibly start out 3A. Sweetwater could remain in the Knoxville area region if those three are 3A).

 

4A

Mitchell 947

Dyersburg 948

Brainerd 949

Hixson 957

Memphis Northside 960

Giles County 967

Creekwood 971

Springfield 977

Fulton 982

Sullivan East 989

Sullivan Central 999

Liberty 1007

Chattanooga Central 1009

Dyer County 1014

Whites Creek 1022

Stratford 1036

Kingsbury 1037

Jackson Northside 1044

Portland 1049

Anderson County 1051

Maplewood 1054

Sullivan South 1056

Red Bank 1074

Seymour 1079

Trezevant 1083

Knoxville Halls 1085

Hickman County 1108

Beech 1109

Lawrence County 1110

Volunteer 1125

Powell 1139

Cocke County 1142

Cleveland 1146

Hardin County 1159

Cherokee 1160

Clinton 1160

Kenwood 1162

Shelbyville 1172

Fairley 1175

Tennessee 1178

Lenoir City 1178

Tullahoma 1189

White County 1205

Hillsboro 1225

Daniel Boone 1229

Northwest 1234

Melrose 1238

Raleigh Egypt 1241

South Doyle 1266

Munford 1269

Knoxville Central 1273

Kirby 1281

Centennial 1304

Morristown West 1308

Brighton 1310

Walker Valley 1314

Morristown East 1321

Hamilton 1327

Knoxville West 1329

Memphis Central 1333

Henry County 1338

Glencliff 1352

Rossview 1356

 

Chattanooga 4A: Brainerd, Hixson, Chattanooga Central, Red Bank, Cleveland, Walker Valley

 

5A

Gallatin 1358

Campbell County 1362

Clarksville 1362

McMinn County 1363

Ravenwood 1379

Maryville 1381

Craigmont 1387

Hendersonville 1389

David Crockett 1390

Hillwood 1390

Rhea County 1398

Oakland 1409

Soddy-Daisy 1425

Oak Ridge 1433

Northeast 1435

Dickson County 1436

Maryville Heritage 1464

Columbia 1464

Mt Juliet 1465

Franklin County 1498

Wilson Central 1506

Independence 1523

William Blount 1539

Overton 1551

Lincoln County 1552

Millington 1557

Lebanon 1564

Bradley Central 1571

Wooddale 1571

John Overton 1572

Arlington 1580

Ridgeway 1589

Smyrna 1594

Coffee County 1597

Blackman 1614

Bartlett 1636

Sevier County 1640

Franklin 1715

Ooltewah 1742

Siegel 1753

Whitehaven 1754

Dobyn Bennett 1799

Warren County 1802

Lavergne 1826

Hunters Lane 1869

Riverdale 1943

Bearden 1948

Germantown 1987

Cumberland County 1994

Cookeville 2004

Science Hill 2031

Cordova 2035

Jefferson County 2047

Collierville 2114

White Station 2152

Farragut 2153

Bolton 2202

Houston 2266

Antioch 2273

McGavock 2592

Brentwood Academy 446

Baylor 748

St Benedict 776

MUS 862

MBA 924

Father Ryan 926

McCallie 1250

Christian Brothers 1700

 

 

Chattanooga 5A: McMinn County, Rhea County, Soddy-Daisy, Bradley Central, Ooltewah, Baylor, McCallie

Edited July 6, 2006 by Indian

[sharptop]

I think your suggestions are legitimate and within the rhelm of possibility. Personally, I would love to see all three things happen. Just think, starting with the 07-08 scheduling which is currently up for changes anyway, we could have everybody back together again...one big happy family...ok maybe not that last part.

 

 

i still don't understand why you dont want to go to school with people that goes

to public schools, but you want to play sports on friday. makes no sense to me.

this is going to get ugly.

[lazarus]

why seek a "compromise" on BA's legal fees?

why go to 4 classes, or 3?

they won, lets give 'em their spoils.

what's the use of a tssaa that operates at the beck and call of moneyed privates?

nah, pay 'em off and get back to basics.

 

football- 1 class, bowl games, no playoffs. let 'em divide into conferences however they please.

(i am sure the conferences wouldnt fall into a de facto split)

 

basketball- 1 class, one state champion. strictly geographic districts.

 

baseball-same as football.

 

all the other sports, cut them loose.

 

we could get our new one-man tssaa staff by advertising on the internet:

 

"work from home in your spare time"

 

it isnt the publics that NEED a slew of gold balls to attract new students and stay alive. it isnt the publics that have the most to lose.

 

privates do have their grievances, and cant be blamed for feeling like they are in the driver's seat right now.

but the term "pyrrhic victory" hasnt stuck around for millenia for nothing.

 

be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

[ROBERTO]

One of two things will happen.

1. TSSAA will charge member schools X number of dollars for X number of years to pay attorney fees b/c TSSAA is just the governing body of its representing schools.

 

2. TSSAA will file for bankrupty and start over without any private school allowed in membership. Private schools can start their own association.

 

Do not forget what this whole thing is about. TSSAA believed BA was recuiting. TSSAA bylaws say it is illegal to recruit in any form of communication by a member school or its representatives. TSSAA was right on that principle. And that's all the TSSAA was concerned about. Unfortunately, BA and the courts said that was against their 1st amendment rights. So if BA and other private schools do not want to abide by this rule that was put in place it own member schools (board of control) than its an obvious slap in the face to every public and/or private school that does abide by its own rules.

[cucry]

TSSAA is not going to make everybody happy with every decision - Just like winning a game or an officials call- one side is happy and the other greatly disappointed.

 

Going to one class in all sports will not aid anyone - the smaller schools (most of the time) cannot compete with the larger 5A FB or 3A Other sports - The bigger the pool to draw from the more talent you have, a fact. Most smaller programs are lucky if they get enough kids to play. There are alot of changes that need to be made, but a committee of the different regions and classifications should be questioned to see what the majority feel would be fair to all. Just a suggestion.

[itzme]

If jumping to conclusions were an Olympic event, we could award the gold, silver and bronze medals on this thread!!

[Antwan]

Just wondering...who has been paying BA's legal fees for this lawsuit?

[cucry]

Maybe Alumi or private donors.

[larry]

Wouldn't you think that this was a pro bono case by the lawyers, possibly BA grads or supporters, if BA lost and a keep enough to cover expenses and donate the rest of what BA gets from the TSSAA back to BA in case of a win? Wouldn't that be about as "in-your-face" to the TSSAA as it could get and isn't that what this is about, anyway?

Edited July 6, 2006 by larry

[BDURHAM]

I would assume that the lawyers had hard costs, and

expect to be paid or have been paid.

 

Surely Bass, Berry & Sims have better uses of their

philanthropic services. This firm has handled this

case to simply "stick it to the TSSAA?"

 

 

 

Wouldn't you think that this was a pro bono case by the lawyers, possibly BA grads or supporters, if BA lost and a keep enough to cover expenses and donate the rest of what BA gets from the TSSAA back to BA in case of a win? Wouldn't that be about as "in-your-face" to the TSSAA as it could get and isn't that what this is about, anyway?