BDURHAM Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Is that how changes should be made? Break a small rule, fight for freedom of speech in court, win a ruling, and then try to run the association? To quote Bob Dylan: Adulterers in churches and pornography in the schools, You got gangsters in power and lawbreakers making rules. When you gonna wake up, when you gonna wake up When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain? JMO, but BA will offer to allow the TSSAA to pay a reduced portion of the legal fees if the TSSAA will agree to make some concessions. I could see BA requesting that the TSSAA do the following: 1. Do away with D1 & D2 and place everyone back together 2. Terminate Mr. Carters contract with the TSSAA 3. reserve X number of spots on the Board of Control for private school members The TSSAA would have no choice but to do what BA request unless they can find the money to pay the legal fees in full. Let's keep in mind the fact that the TSSAA will have to pay the fees when the legal battle is over. There will be no payment plan over a period of time unless <a href='http://www.coacht.com/inside/team.cfm?SchoolID=37&SportID=1' target='_blank'>Brentwood Academy</a> grants the TSSAA permission to pay on an installment plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolunteerGeneral Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Is that how changes should be made? Break a small rule, fight for freedom of speech in court, win a ruling, and then try to run the association? To quote Bob Dylan: Adulterers in churches and pornography in the schools, You got gangsters in power and lawbreakers making rules. When you gonna wake up, when you gonna wake up When you gonna wake up and strengthen the things that remain? Did they break a rule Stan? I guess you are the only one that knows what undue influence means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indian Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 (edited) If all of the schools are thrown back in together, I'd say you would have the multiplier thrown out. Here's what I came up with, moved a few up to 5A as I think that's where they'd want to be. More moving up would change the list just a little. Look at the teams in each division, I don't think anyone should want a four class group and especially not a three class. 100-0 scores should be avoided if possible. With a three class football system, you'd probably have Alcoa in the same region with Grace of Knoxville. With this many schools, more schools opening in the last few years and more to come, I'd hope a four-class system in basketball, baseball and softball would be looked at. 5 class system, football 1A Lighthouse Christian 44 Elliston Baptist 63 David Brainerd 88 Zion Christian 104 Temple 106 Rossville Christian 125 Memphis Catholic 135 Mt Juliet Christian 135 Knoxville Grace 138 Clarksville Academy 142 King’s Academy 140 Tipton Rosemark 160 Oakdale 163 Silverdale Academy 165 Gleason 166 Greenfield 169 MTCS 171 Columbia Academy 174 Sunbright 179 Chattanooga Grace 181 Nashville Christian 182 Bishop Byrne 186 Pickett County 192 Sewanee 194 Red Boiling Springs 201 Copper Basin 208 St George’s 212 Trinity Christian 214 Friendship Christian 217 Cloudland 218 Huntland 222 FAC 224 Bruceton 224 Greenback 226 Coalfield 227 Fayette Academy 233 Lookout Valley 233 South Fulton 244 South Pittsburg 247 Clay County 249 Jackson Christian 251 Lake County 258 Midway 268 Ezell Harding 279 Franklin Road Academy 279 SBEC 280 Davidson Academy 281 Cornersville 281 Moore County 286 Donelson Christian 286 Harriman 301 Eagleville 310 CPA 310 Collinwood 324 Westside 326 McEwen 329 Community 334 Perry County 336 Monterey 339 Wayne County 339 White House Heritage 341 Whitwell 343 Gordonsville 345 Boyd-Buchanan 347 Watertown 347 Chattanooga area 1A: Temple, Silverdale, Chattanooga Grace, Copper Basin, Lookout Valley, South Pittsburg, Whitwel, Boyd-Buchanan 2A Unaka 348 Jellico 353 West Carroll 354 Jo Byrns 356 BGA 356 Middleton 356 Manassas 358 Ensworth 370 CAK 373 USJ 378 McKenzie 382 Halls 383 Mt Pleasant 385 Harding Academy 396 Union City 391 North Greene 400 Forrest 402 Huntingdon 407 Peabody 407 Cosby 411 Trousdale County 414 Cascade 422 Oneida 424 Houston County 425 Wartburg 425 Dresden 432 Humboldt 433 East Robertson 436 Richland 441 Adamsville 442 Hampton 443 Riverside 451 Rockwood 455 Westwood 456 Alcoa 473 Marion County 478 Upperman 479 Treadwell 484 Knoxville Webb 488 Oliver Springs 492 Jackson County 494 South Greene 497 Oakhaven 498 Westmoreland 507 Meigs County 513 ECS 515 Tellico Plains 519 Loretto 526 Lipscomb 526 Bledsoe County 532 Tyner 536 Knoxville Catholic 548 Lewis County 553 Memphis Southside 557 Notre Dame 561 Chucky-Doak 569 Polk County 569 Happy Valley 576 Milan 577 Sequatchie County 578 Gatlinburg Pittman 588 Camden 605 West Greene 608 Chattanooga 2A: Marion County, Meigs County, Tellico Plains, Bledsoe County, Tyner, Notre Dame, Polk County, Sequatchie County (Sequatchie will most likely be 3A in football by the time of the next classifications) 3A Sweetwater 611 Briarcrest 612 Cumberland Gap 618 Westview 627 Harpeth 627 Carver 632 BT Washington 636 Smith County 644 PJP2 651 Waverly 653 Fairview 655 Stewart County 661 Grundy County 662 York 688 Frayser 672 Cheatham County 672 Cannon County 674 Loudon 675 Kingston 677 Johnson County 683 Pearl Cohn 686 Austin East 702 Sullivan North 703 Chester County 706 Scott County 741 Gibson County 754 Unicoi County 754 Pigeon Forge 769 DeKalb County 771 Elizabethton 774 McNair Central 775 Crockett County 778 Marshall County 779 Howard 797 McMinn Central 802 Claiborne County 804 Covington 807 Jackson South Side 807 Page 813 Rutledge 814 Macon County 820 Greenbrier 821 White House 827 Central-Merry 835 Greeneville 864 Sycamore 865 Bolivar 865 Gibbs 871 East Ridge 875 Spring Hill 875 Obion County 888 Union County 888 Sheffield 889 Livington Academy 889 Carter 896 Ripley 900 Lexington 903 Station Camp 906 Haywood 911 Fayette Ware 911 Stone 920 Montgomery Central 927 Memphis East 939 Sequoyah 943 Chattanooga 3A: Sweetwater, Grundy County, Howard, McMinn Central, East Ridge (Sequatchie will likely be 3A soon, and East Brainerd and Signal Mountain High schools could possibly start out 3A. Sweetwater could remain in the Knoxville area region if those three are 3A). 4A Mitchell 947 Dyersburg 948 Brainerd 949 Hixson 957 Memphis Northside 960 Giles County 967 Creekwood 971 Springfield 977 Fulton 982 Sullivan East 989 Sullivan Central 999 Liberty 1007 Chattanooga Central 1009 Dyer County 1014 Whites Creek 1022 Stratford 1036 Kingsbury 1037 Jackson Northside 1044 Portland 1049 Anderson County 1051 Maplewood 1054 Sullivan South 1056 Red Bank 1074 Seymour 1079 Trezevant 1083 Knoxville Halls 1085 Hickman County 1108 Beech 1109 Lawrence County 1110 Volunteer 1125 Powell 1139 Cocke County 1142 Cleveland 1146 Hardin County 1159 Cherokee 1160 Clinton 1160 Kenwood 1162 Shelbyville 1172 Fairley 1175 Tennessee 1178 Lenoir City 1178 Tullahoma 1189 White County 1205 Hillsboro 1225 Daniel Boone 1229 Northwest 1234 Melrose 1238 Raleigh Egypt 1241 South Doyle 1266 Munford 1269 Knoxville Central 1273 Kirby 1281 Centennial 1304 Morristown West 1308 Brighton 1310 Walker Valley 1314 Morristown East 1321 Hamilton 1327 Knoxville West 1329 Memphis Central 1333 Henry County 1338 Glencliff 1352 Rossview 1356 Chattanooga 4A: Brainerd, Hixson, Chattanooga Central, Red Bank, Cleveland, Walker Valley 5A Gallatin 1358 Campbell County 1362 Clarksville 1362 McMinn County 1363 Ravenwood 1379 Maryville 1381 Craigmont 1387 Hendersonville 1389 David Crockett 1390 Hillwood 1390 Rhea County 1398 Oakland 1409 Soddy-Daisy 1425 Oak Ridge 1433 Northeast 1435 Dickson County 1436 Maryville Heritage 1464 Columbia 1464 Mt Juliet 1465 Franklin County 1498 Wilson Central 1506 Independence 1523 William Blount 1539 Overton 1551 Lincoln County 1552 Millington 1557 Lebanon 1564 Bradley Central 1571 Wooddale 1571 John Overton 1572 Arlington 1580 Ridgeway 1589 Smyrna 1594 Coffee County 1597 Blackman 1614 Bartlett 1636 Sevier County 1640 Franklin 1715 Ooltewah 1742 Siegel 1753 Whitehaven 1754 Dobyn Bennett 1799 Warren County 1802 Lavergne 1826 Hunters Lane 1869 Riverdale 1943 Bearden 1948 Germantown 1987 Cumberland County 1994 Cookeville 2004 Science Hill 2031 Cordova 2035 Jefferson County 2047 Collierville 2114 White Station 2152 Farragut 2153 Bolton 2202 Houston 2266 Antioch 2273 McGavock 2592 Brentwood Academy 446 Baylor 748 St Benedict 776 MUS 862 MBA 924 Father Ryan 926 McCallie 1250 Christian Brothers 1700 Chattanooga 5A: McMinn County, Rhea County, Soddy-Daisy, Bradley Central, Ooltewah, Baylor, McCallie Edited July 6, 2006 by Indian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharptop Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 I think your suggestions are legitimate and within the rhelm of possibility. Personally, I would love to see all three things happen. Just think, starting with the 07-08 scheduling which is currently up for changes anyway, we could have everybody back together again...one big happy family...ok maybe not that last part. i still don't understand why you dont want to go to school with people that goes to public schools, but you want to play sports on friday. makes no sense to me. this is going to get ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarus Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 why seek a "compromise" on BA's legal fees? why go to 4 classes, or 3? they won, lets give 'em their spoils. what's the use of a tssaa that operates at the beck and call of moneyed privates? nah, pay 'em off and get back to basics. football- 1 class, bowl games, no playoffs. let 'em divide into conferences however they please. (i am sure the conferences wouldnt fall into a de facto split) basketball- 1 class, one state champion. strictly geographic districts. baseball-same as football. all the other sports, cut them loose. we could get our new one-man tssaa staff by advertising on the internet: "work from home in your spare time" it isnt the publics that NEED a slew of gold balls to attract new students and stay alive. it isnt the publics that have the most to lose. privates do have their grievances, and cant be blamed for feeling like they are in the driver's seat right now. but the term "pyrrhic victory" hasnt stuck around for millenia for nothing. be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBERTO Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 One of two things will happen. 1. TSSAA will charge member schools X number of dollars for X number of years to pay attorney fees b/c TSSAA is just the governing body of its representing schools. 2. TSSAA will file for bankrupty and start over without any private school allowed in membership. Private schools can start their own association. Do not forget what this whole thing is about. TSSAA believed BA was recuiting. TSSAA bylaws say it is illegal to recruit in any form of communication by a member school or its representatives. TSSAA was right on that principle. And that's all the TSSAA was concerned about. Unfortunately, BA and the courts said that was against their 1st amendment rights. So if BA and other private schools do not want to abide by this rule that was put in place it own member schools (board of control) than its an obvious slap in the face to every public and/or private school that does abide by its own rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cucry Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 TSSAA is not going to make everybody happy with every decision - Just like winning a game or an officials call- one side is happy and the other greatly disappointed. Going to one class in all sports will not aid anyone - the smaller schools (most of the time) cannot compete with the larger 5A FB or 3A Other sports - The bigger the pool to draw from the more talent you have, a fact. Most smaller programs are lucky if they get enough kids to play. There are alot of changes that need to be made, but a committee of the different regions and classifications should be questioned to see what the majority feel would be fair to all. Just a suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzme Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 If jumping to conclusions were an Olympic event, we could award the gold, silver and bronze medals on this thread!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antwan Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Just wondering...who has been paying BA's legal fees for this lawsuit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cucry Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Maybe Alumi or private donors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 (edited) Wouldn't you think that this was a pro bono case by the lawyers, possibly BA grads or supporters, if BA lost and a keep enough to cover expenses and donate the rest of what BA gets from the TSSAA back to BA in case of a win? Wouldn't that be about as "in-your-face" to the TSSAA as it could get and isn't that what this is about, anyway? Edited July 6, 2006 by larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDURHAM Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 I would assume that the lawyers had hard costs, and expect to be paid or have been paid. Surely Bass, Berry & Sims have better uses of their philanthropic services. This firm has handled this case to simply "stick it to the TSSAA?" Wouldn't you think that this was a pro bono case by the lawyers, possibly BA grads or supporters, if BA lost and a keep enough to cover expenses and donate the rest of what BA gets from the TSSAA back to BA in case of a win? Wouldn't that be about as "in-your-face" to the TSSAA as it could get and isn't that what this is about, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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