7-4A vs 8-4A

[coachtcrawford]

Ridgeway has not played East in two years,what good would those tapes be?I would think with the coaching change alot has changed from two years ago.

 

If a team has common opponents, it is very likely that a tape could have been swapped and passed on. East played Millington this year & so did Ridgeway. That is just a quick example of how Ridgeway may have come across a tape w/East for this year.

 

As you stated a 2 year old tape would help no one.

 

T.C.

 

P.S. Personally I see no problem swapping film with another coach. However, I do believe that some coaches assume that they will get a negative response or no response at all, as a few coaches have claimed. But make sure you ask the coach before you post that he will not swap. Dont assume. You know what they say about assuming.

 

T.C.

[realredpride]

don't act like this si the first time this has ever happened...usually when coaches trade films (especially around playoff time) they trade films with their opponents and their opponents region teams to get an extra edge...it happens all the time. get over it.

 

I'm over it, and I'm sorry if I misrepresented anyone. I can see getting tapes from your own region, but I guess I don't understand your region giving tapes to the others. That's just my opinion, and we know what they say about opinions.

 

I do think the comment about the East coach saying HC was videotaping is kind of funny. First of all, I know the situation. Can you imagine eight guys dressed in red, much of which says Henry Co. on it, trying to sneak a video camera in to East without being seen? As for taking still pictures, that is not illegal. I do know a police officer asked one of the coaches to empty his hoodie pocket to see if he was hiding a video camera. He showed him his gloves, cell phone, wallet, etc. Any way, I think it is a done deal since the game is in two days, and I am sure both coaches got film. Memphis East is welcome at HC and will be treated as guests (except on the field, I hope). I hope the travel and game is injury-free for both sides.

[The Real Mom of #77]

I'm over it, and I'm sorry if I misrepresented anyone. I can see getting tapes from your own region, but I guess I don't understand your region giving tapes to the others. That's just my opinion, and we know what they say about opinions.

 

I do think the comment about the East coach saying HC was videotaping is kind of funny. First of all, I know the situation. Can you imagine eight guys dressed in red, much of which says Henry Co. on it, trying to sneak a video camera in to East without being seen? As for taking still pictures, that is not illegal. I do know a police officer asked one of the coaches to empty his hoodie pocket to see if he was hiding a video camera. He showed him his gloves, cell phone, wallet, etc. Any way, I think it is a done deal since the game is in two days, and I am sure both coaches got film. Memphis East is welcome at HC and will be treated as guests (except on the field, I hope). I hope the travel and game is injury-free for both sides.

 

Forgive me for my lack of knowledge but, why can't coaches from other teams film games of their opponents? To me it's like a student studing for a big test. Preparation is the key to success in life.

[realredpride]

Forgive me for my lack of knowledge but, why can't coaches from other teams film games of their opponents? To me it's like a student studing for a big test. Preparation is the key to success in life.

 

I'm not sure I know the answer to that question. Maybe someone can enlighten us. Usually, coaches trade the last two games, so that's one they should be seeing any way.

[crc]

As for filming games of opponents, it is an ethical issue. The MIAA has a "policy" about the issue saying it shouldn't be done...not sure about the TSSAA...BUT there is no penalty for doing it so there are some who do it. Coaches can scout and write down everything they want but it is not "ethical" to bring your video camera to the game with you.

 

Most coaches do trade the last 2 games but there are cases where coaches won't return calls and won't trade films....even within a region when an agreement was made by all coaches at the beginning of the year to swap the last 2 games...happened to us last week.

[wingman]

Forgive me for my lack of knowledge but, why can't coaches from other teams film games of their opponents? To me it's like a student studing for a big test. Preparation is the key to success in life.

Because of TSSAA Football Regulation II P.

 

No team may tape or film a practice or game involving two other teams. They may tape or film their own practice or game involving that other team.

 

2006-2007 Handbook

[The Real Mom of #77]

As for filming games of opponents, it is an ethical issue. The MIAA has a "policy" about the issue saying it shouldn't be done...not sure about the TSSAA...BUT there is no penalty for doing it so there are some who do it. Coaches can scout and write down everything they want but it is not "ethical" to bring your video camera to the game with you.

 

Most coaches do trade the last 2 games but there are cases where coaches won't return calls and won't trade films....even within a region when an agreement was made by all coaches at the beginning of the year to swap the last 2 games...happened to us last week.

 

Thank you for informing me. Like I said I don't know the "offical rules" for things like that. If I'm not mistaken our coaches were done dirty last year by some other coaches not trading or giving unuseable tapes. To me that just shows poor sportsmanship & terrible leadership.

[kwc]

As far as this tape swapping issue is concerned. All one has to do is read this thread and follow the many comments to realize that there is an issue. wtnoff gave us personal testimony of his experience. There is no rule that establishes 'what type of content' has to be on the film traded. I have not read on here where it states that a coach 'may not edit' the tapes that they send out to their opponent. If you are on the receiving end of this, you probably think the other guy is a jerk for giving you sub-standard film. Whether you think he is a jerk or not doesn't help the situation at that time ... you sent good film and in return you received garbage. Time is of the essence in this situation and there is nobody you can file a complaint with that will be able to do anything about it. What do you do? You prepare the best you can with what you have if you can't get film elsewhere knowing that you and your staff are at a distinct disadvantage. Come Friday night, the fans in the stands nor anybody else, will give a flip if you lose ... all they will know is that they loss the game and it may have seemed as though your team was unprepared while the other team was prepared. Now, your coaching ability has come into question. All it would take is a couple of episodes like that to make you want to not trade film altogether. Now ... YOU are the jerk to the other coaching staff. You may have never considered giving a coach poor quality film until you started receiving it on a regular basis. You give another coach poor quality tape and they have never experienced it before ... YOU are the poor sportsman coach who is a bad leader and a whole bunch of other reprehensible adjectives that I can think of. What do you do? Continue to give out good tapes and continue to receive bad tapes and as a result your team is not as prepared as your opponent because of your inability to find good film? Do you just simply not trade tapes at all? Who is the first coach to call in this instance? If the other coach doesn't call you, do you automatically assume they don't trade so why bother? Maybe you heard through the grapevine that the other coach doesn't trade, so you don't ask.

 

All I know is this. If I were a coach and I got burned a few times. I wouldn't trade film either. I would just have to be a jerk. I'm not going to edit tape or go through measures to make it so that the opposing coach can't make heads or tails of my film. If it's not being done by all in the way in which it was intended, then why bother?

 

Every school may not have the facilities or access to the things necessary to provide adequate film. You can make all of the assumptions you want, but filming games may not be a high priority item to certain schools. I don't know the answers. Until it can be determined that EVERY school has the ability to furnish to opposing coaches the necessary film, this will remain an issue.

 

You either trade or you don't trade. It's as simple as that. It has been made appearent that going to film your opponent play another team is not an option.

[MemCityCoach]

kwc makes a great point and allow me to go a step further. Coaching football is our profession it's what we do and we are judged by wins and loses and if you believe something different then your fooling yourself. So with that being said if you trade thats your business and if you don't that to is your business and the rest of you get over it!!! If your not in this profession then I don't really care what your opinion on the ethics of trade or don't trade because your not going to be there when I have to look for another job because I lost.

I also heard about the filming issue through a second hand source at the East-Mitchell game. This is what I was told. The principal sent a MIAA offical and a police officer to check out a coach that was at East last year who was talking to the Henry Co. coaching staff. They said the ex-East coach started laughing and told the offical to go back and tell the East principal that he only had a note book and that he could.......anyway the officals left and then came back and thats when they escorted a Henry coach out to put up his still camera which is not illegal to use during a game. So Henry you can blame the ex-East coach for getting thrown out of the East-Mitchell game.

about the trade stuff people get over it some do some don't if your any good as a coach you'll get prepaired!!!!!

[realredpride]

kwc makes a great point and allow me to go a step further. Coaching football is our profession it's what we do and we are judged by wins and loses and if you believe something different then your fooling yourself. So with that being said if you trade thats your business and if you don't that to is your business and the rest of you get over it!!! If your not in this profession then I don't really care what your opinion on the ethics of trade or don't trade because your not going to be there when I have to look for another job because I lost.

I also heard about the filming issue through a second hand source at the East-Mitchell game. This is what I was told. The principal sent a MIAA offical and a police officer to check out a coach that was at East last year who was talking to the Henry Co. coaching staff. They said the ex-East coach started laughing and told the offical to go back and tell the East principal that he only had a note book and that he could.......anyway the officals left and then came back and thats when they escorted a Henry coach out to put up his still camera which is not illegal to use during a game. So Henry you can blame the ex-East coach for getting thrown out of the East-Mitchell game.

about the trade stuff people get over it some do some don't if your any good as a coach you'll get prepaired!!!!!

 

I understand what you are saying. Henry Co. was not thrown out of East. The coach was allowed back in. I hate that the ex-East coach acted that way. But if it is not illegal to use the still camera, why was the HC coach punished for the actions of the Munford assistant coach and made to put the camera in his vehicle? I guarantee the Munford coach was not speaking for HC as there is no love loss between the two. In fact, the Munford head coach refused to swap with HC (the only one in our region who did), yet the assistant was offering an East tape. I'm pretty sure it was declined.

Edited November 1, 2006 by realredpride

[The Real Mom of #77]

Well, I will appologize for saying anything at all about this issue. As I stated I DIDN'T KNOW the "Offical Rules" & thus my asking. I'll not clutter up this thread with anymore of my dumb post. Just a DUMB MOM wondering & giving her STUPID opinion. I'm Sorry & will heed your advise as to minding my own business. Have A Nice Day.

[wingman]

I understand what you are saying. Henry Co. was not thrown out of East. The coach was allowed back in. I hate that the ex-East coach acted that way. But if it is not illegal to use the still camera, why was the HC coach punished for the actions of the Munford assistant coach and made to put the camera in his vehicle? I guarantee the Munford coach was not speaking for HC as there is no love loss between the two. In fact, the Munford head coach refused to swap with HC (the only one in our region who did), yet the assistant was offering an East tape. I'm pretty sure it was declined.

 

I think earlier poster was right that still cameras may be OK. Just getting formations on D and O. Still got to note what they ran out of those formations and what D did in their formations.

 

RRP maybe it was one of those new high tech digital zoom still cameras with high storage capacity that can also hold several minutes of digital video borrowed from the school photography department to be used in such covert operations by our coaching staff!